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Mr Claxton said there is room for Mr Momis to stretch out the independence vote until 2020.
"To build consensus," he said.

aus: ramumine.wordpress.com/2014/01/30/...als-for-deadly-civil-war/

2020? Da wären ja möglicherweise nochmals viele Jahre bis sich die LO eines besseren besinnen.

nachdem die LO's merken, dass ihre überzogenen Forderungen utopisch sind, werden sie sich sicher bald mit weniger zufrieden geben. Die Alternative ist, dass sie gar nichts kriegen, und dann gilt das Motto, lieber der Spatz in der Hand, als die Taube auf dem Dach"

Die wollen keine 6 Jahre mehr warten!

iss aber nur meine Meinung!

His visit marks the second by a PNG prime minister since Bill Skate in 1998, when both sides of the conflict brokered a peace deal.

Mr O'Neill brought with him the PNG Government's chief secretary, Public Enterprises Minister Ben Micah and Mining Minister Byron Chan.

Mr Chan is the son of civil war prime minister Sir Julius Chan, who along with Mr Momis is considered one of PNG's founding fathers.

Bougainville is due to hold a referendum to decide if it will become an independent country between 2015 and 2020.

Australian Strategic Policy Institute analyst Karl Claxton said there is a wide expectation Bougainville will vote to become independent.

   "(Mr O'Neill's) visit is definitely a welcome increase in focus and it's exactly what's needed, dialogue between the national government and the ABG (Autonomous Bougainville Government).

   "I would call it a very significant step indeed."

Mr O'Neill on Wednesday is expected to visit the site of the Panguna Copper mine near Bougainville's capital, Arawa.

At the time of its closure due to the civil war in 1989 the mine was the largest open cut copper mine in the world.

The reopening of the mine is still a hot issue in Bougainville, with landowners living around it opposed to its reopening.

However some argue it is a vital potential revenue stream for an independent Bougainville.

Mr Claxton said there is room for Mr Momis to stretch out the independence vote until 2020.

   "To build consensus," he said.

   "There is very little understanding of what autonomy means and how much is needed to make either of those things (autonomy or staying with PNG) work.

   "Independence will need a big income stream."

ramunickel | January 30, 2014 at 4:32 am | Tags: ASPI, Bougainville, Environmental damage, Human rights, Landholders, Panguna, Papua New Guinea, Peter O'Neill, Rio Tinto | Categories: Environmental impact, Financial returns, Human rights, Papua New Guinea | URL: wp.me/pMvf7-31n

Zuerst wird jetzt mal Infrastructure verbessert :)

Innerhalb der nächsten 3 Monate soll aropa Airport eröffnen laut Ben Micah.
Oneil untermauert dies mit folg.Aussage:

Mr.O'neil says he is more interested in seeing the reopening of Aropa Airport, Arawa Hospital and the sealing of main trunk and feeder roads...

Stimmt, Claxton sagte dies. Er ist aber für Bougainville kein Entscheidungsträger.

Was aber sowohl Claxton, als auch Mr. Clay ausdrückten, ist die Tatsache, die wir hier im Forum schon immer vertreten hatten, nämlich,  die Unabhängigkeit benötigt Geld, viel Geld.

Das Bedeutende daran ist, daß dies so direkt zum ersten Mal von offiziellen Stellen ausgedrückt wurde. Ob die Unabhängigkeit früher oder später kommt, ist nicht so bedeutend.

Was für uns von Bedeutung ist, ist der offizielle Konsenz aller Beteiligten in Bougainville für eine Wiedereröffnung. Dann ist der Weg frei.

Ich glaube, Mr Clay und Mr. Claxton waren mit ihrem Statement dafür wichtige Wegbereiter.

He said landowners of Panguna mine and the surrounding leases were united for the re-opening of the mine.

"But we wish to put forward certain conditions, one of the key ones being the repeal of the 1967 Act so that we can commence negotiations and discussions under a total new agreement," he said.

Mr O’Neill supported the call by Mr Daveona and the landowners saying that the 1967 Act will be repealed and a new one put in place.

He also emphasised that the process of restoration to provide government services to Panguna has started and will continue.

He said he was very happy for the landowners and Me’ekamui’s desire and commitment to work with the ABG and the national Government for the betterment and progress of Bougainville.

ramunickel | January 30, 2014 at 12:20 pm | Tags: ABG, Bougainville, Bougainville Copper Agreement Act, Landholders, Lawrence Daveona, Panguna, Papua New Guinea, Peter O'Neill, Rio Tinto | Categories: Financial returns, Papua New Guinea | URL: wp.me/pMvf7-31u
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   "As I"ve mentioned, we have made many big mistakes but this is not the time to rewind and count our mistakes. It is time to work so that our kids, our future generation, can live happily after – their future we can guarantee."

   "The Peace Agreement has many outstanding challenges which we all need to take ownership of and work together to address. ABG alone cannot do it or Me"ekamui alone cannot do it.

   "ABG and the Government are working in partnership to maintain and sort out the restoration of Bougainville.

   "The PNG Government has chipped in more than K500 million to do restoration work on Bougainville, K200 million is already parked in the trust account and we must start to rollout projects such as the road sealing from Kokopau to Buin.

   "Also there is an outstanding issue on the K15 million grants for ABG government that will be sorted.

   "I"m calling on the ABG and all the leaders of Bougainville to work together and put away your differences and speak in one voice for the good of the people and progress of the region.

   "We must be man enough to sit down and iron out our differences. I am appealing to the leadership of Me"ekamui and the leadership of ABG to work together for the benefit of the people of Bougainville because the national Government is ready to work with you.

   "Like I mentioned earlier, the issue and green light to re-open the Panguna Mine is in the hands of the landowners, the ABG and the Me"ekamui government. There is no government in this country who will force the opening of any mine or establishment of any projects without the consent of the landowners first.

   "Negotiation to start off the mine is in your capable hands, like I said earlier, I am not interested to kick-start the re-opening of the mine. If the landowners give the green light, then we can find some way forward into the issue.

   "My interest is to bring government services into Bougainville. I know a referendum will come, my interest is to open Aropa Airport, Arawa Hospital, seal the Kokopau to Buin Highway and all feeder roads in Bougainville.

   "These are the projects that I want to sit down with the leaders of Bougainville and finalise, we are not short of money, and money is already here. The problem is we are not kicking off these projects."

ramunickel | January 30, 2014 at 11:57 am | Tags: ABG, Bougainville, Mekamui, Panguna, Papua New Guinea, Peter O'Neill, Rio Tinto | Categories: Papua New Guinea | URL: wp.me/pMvf7-31s

Heißt, es wird alles auf 0 gestellt, BCL fängt mit den Verhandlungen bei 0 an.
Mit der Gefahr, dass nun nicht nur BCL am Verhandlungstisch hockt, sondern
auch andere Unternehmen, ich denke da bloss an China...
Sollte BCL nicht mehr zum Zuge kommen, verstößt PNG gegen internationles Recht,
bzw. hat bereits dagegen verstoßen.
Mich wundert, dass Daveona im Artikel noch als Chairman der Panguna Landowners Association aufgeführt wird.

Es bleibt spannend, bzw. wird noch spannender!

PM leaves Panguna mine decision to landowners

LD ist immer noch Chairman der SML

"We can start the process of re-opening the Panguna mine."

Ob das Agreement jetzt "New BCA" oder "New Deal" heisst kann uns im Grunde genommen egal sein,wichtig ist den Lo`s ihr "We want BCL back" ;-))))

300114 MOMIS THANKS O'NEILL
By Aloysius Laukai

ABG President, Chief DR.JOHN MOMIS today thanked Prime MInister, Peter O'NEILL for his commitment to visit Bougainville despite many issues affecting his visit.

President Momis made these comments at a News Conference in Buka this afternoon.
He said that the Prime Minister made commitment and honored it by visiting Bougainville and challenged Bougainville leaders and the people to work together as one people.

President Momis said that he has been making these comments for many years now.

He said that despite the commitment for increased funding,these funds will still be insufficient to build all the infrastructure needed to reach the level we want.

He qualified statement by the Prime minister that without the rule of law no Investor would want to invest on Bougainville.

President Momis said that Bougainvilleans must now work on the things that can be done practically, like, Roads, Bridges,Schools,Hospitals and economic activities that can create employment for the majority of our people.

He said that the visit by the Prime MInister has challenged the people of Bougainville to unite and work together with the National Government.

President Momis that with this new commitment by the Prime Minister, he hopes to work together firstly with the four National members and the ABG leaders and the people of Bougainville so that we can once again move as one people.

He said that the ABG is already looking at ways to include the Mekaamui,the uvistract and all other groups who continue to stay outside the system so that Bougainville can prepare the people for the approaching Referendum.

Ends

The repeal of, or, any other legislative action taken by the National Parliament regarding the operation of the BCA Act of 1967 will be the result only of the coming into effect of the Bougainville Mining legislation, once that law comes into operation. As mentioned already in another of my posting yesterday, regarding the various agreements already in place between the ABG and the National Government, as commenced by the Alotau MOU, the 15 steps process is continuing as. The National Parliament will take the necessary action only as a direct consequence of the coming into operation of the Bougainville Mining legislation, and in accordance with the terms of the transitional provisions of that law. This is how the process is being implemented as per the Bougainville Peace Agreement.

-We want BCL back -
Schön und gut, nur bei den Gegebeheiten vor Ort und den undurchsichtigen Strukturen der
Landeigner gebe ich auf solche Lippenbekenntnisse herzlich wenig :-)
Durch das aufheben des alten BCA steigt für uns als Investoren erstmal das Risiko unseres Investments.

Ich vermute, dass die Landeigner; vorne weg Daveona eine Aufhebung des
alten BCA erreichen wollten, um einen neuen Player mit ins Spiel zu bringen
Und da fallen mir zu aller erst die Chinesen ein.

Korrigiere mich bitte Nekro, aber SML und PLA sind nicht dasselbe.
Im Text ist nämlich die Rede von:
-Chairman of the Panguna Landowners Association, Law-rence Daveona, made the call in Panguna during the Prime Minister’s visit.-

........nicht jedes Wort aus Boug. auf die Goldwaage legen.
Wer erinnert sich nicht an die "10 Billion" Forderung?
In # 18020 hat man jetzt eine (realistischere) 50 mill Forderung in den Raum gestellt.
Wichtig ist jetzt dass das AGB eine für alle annehmbare "Mining Policy" verabschiedet.

.....Und da fallen mir zu aller erst die Chinesen ein......

mmmh.... Thema Chinesische Ambitionen auf Bougainville halte ich für die allerletzte Karte die möglicherweise ausgespielt wird.
Nicht nur die politische Großwetterlage auch die absolut negative Einstellung der Bevölkerung / LO´s zu einem solchen Engagement stehen dem sicher entgegen. Ich habe auch von noch keinem Kritiker  von BCL gelesen das  die vorhersehbaren Auswirkungen wie: keine Arbeitsplätze für die Bougainviller,(Chinesen machen so gut wie alles mit den eigenen Leuten) > keine oder geringste Einkommenssteigerung für die Bevölkerung
          > zwangsläufig wachsende Konkurenz zu der heimischen Produktivität (Handel,Landwirtschaftliche Erzeugung usw.)
in Kauf genommen werden auf Grund von Versprechungen , die wenn man erst mal den Fuß in der Türe hat, wie jeder weiß, kaum oder gar nicht eingehalten werden.

Desshalb meine Einschätzung : Chinesen? eher nicht. ;-)))))

Natürlich wird gepokert auf Teufel komm raus. Es ist das gute Recht der Landowner den höchst möglichsten Nutzen für sich zu ziehen. Wenn Rio Tinto sich allzu ziert, kann man immer wieder die Chinesenkarte aus den Ärmel zu ziehen.
Ich habe hier immer wieder  meine Verwunderung zum Ausdruck gebracht, daß die Rolle von Rio Tinto nicht hinterfragt wird.
O`Neil übergibt 500 Mill K und was macht Rio Tinto. 500 Mill sind weniger als der Inhalt ihrer Portokasse.
Was glaubt ihr, was die Chinesen springen lassen würden, könnten sie in Panguna einsteigen.

wirklich "den höchst möglichsten Nutzen für sich" haben wollten, dann würden sie noch heute abschließen, da jeder Tag in Richtung US-tapering die Weltwirtschaft weiter abkühlt.

hat über die Rohstoffe Einfluß auch auf BOC
um eine breite Meinung zu bekommen, bitte abstimmen
Danke

http://www.ariva.de/forum/...Ende-2014-494959?new_pnr=17303729#bottom

.... die PNG unter Verwaltung hat. Kann mir nicht vorstellen , daß damit nicht spekuliert wird, bzw , daß kein Regime die zu Nullwert verfallen läßt, wegen einem chinesischen Seiteneinsteiger.

damit hast du natürlich absolut recht. Unter so viel kreisenden Aspekten kann der eine oder andere schnell mal unter den Tisch fallen. Dafür haben wir ja unsere Forumsfreunde, die einem wieder auf die Sprünge helfen.

Die gelbe Gefahr wäre demnach nicht real.

...........visits Bougainville as countries seek reconciliation following civil war.

www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-30/...trip-to-bougainville/5228928

"...................The issuing of contracts to PNG and foreign companies is a sensitive issue among many Bougainvillians, with particular hostility towards Chinese businesspeople."

www.radioaustralia.net.au/international/...ougainville/1257116

   When I need to raise the money for this mine, by going to banks and investors, wanting to raise billions of dollars, they're going to say: “Tell me about Bougainville.” If Bougainville is the world's newest nation, with no track record of managing projects, as opposed to PNG which has a long track record, it's going to be easier to raise the money if Bougainville doesn't go down the independence route. I wouldn't even go to the market at this stage, because I can't tell the market what they're investing in.

Enter Prime Minister O’Neill. With concerns being increasingly raised about Bougainville’s stability as it approaches its independence referendum, O’Neill and Momis have entered a pact of convenience.

It needs to be said O’Neill is not hell bent on keeping Bougainville – he will respect the referendum decision – however, the PM certainly does not want an independent or autonomous Bougainville being a financial albatross around PNG’s neck for years to come.

On the other hand, Momis has had something of an economic conversion since becoming President, and believes only a fire sale of Bougainville’s natural resources to foreign investors will save his land from ruin.

Momis and O’Neill might not like each other (!!), but they know they need each other. If PNG is to be rid of the financial albatross, O’Neill believes he must assure the international community that whatever the outcome of the referendum, PNG will act as a mature friend of Bougainville. On the other hand, Momis has bought the AusAid mantra and thinks that only the wide-scale sell off of Bougainville’s resources will establish an economic future for his island, so Momis needs O’Neill to act as a mature guarantor foreign investors can believe in.

These are not necessarily well thought out or well supported strategies, indeed they may be the quickest route to wrack and ruin; but it explains the recent odd behaviour of Momis and O’Neill, who are what the kids call these days, ‘frenemies’.
ramunickel | January 31, 2014 at 9:52 am | Tags: AusAID, Bougainville, John Momis, Panguna, Papua New Guinea, Peter O'Neill, PNG development, Rio Tinto | Categories: Financial returns, Papua New Guinea | URL: wp.me/pMvf7-31w

3. The third resolution is the one that got everyone confused. The media even projected it negatively putting Bougainvilleans up against each other. This was the resolution that involved K50m. It wasn’t a demand, even though it was projected as such. This K50m was raised by the 3 key ex-com leaders during the Morgan meeting a day before the PM visit to Panguna. This very same meeting formulated the “Morgan Resolutions”, you can all see that the K50m wasn’t a demand. However, in the spirit of peace and reconciliation, it seemed to this 3 key leaders, the PM, who is the leader of the country plus his delegates was now entering for the first time a place that has been the cause of B’ville’s fate. Importantly, bloods were shed and everything was lost for the people of B’ville. He (PM) would just be walking in as if nothing happened. So the K50m was raised as DOMANGMINTA (Nasioi’s bel kol kastom). Make no mistake, the PM knew this and his team did Domangminta at a small scale before entering Panguna. The leaders knew the PM was a Melanesian and he would understand, which the PM actually did, that was why the trip to Panguna wasn’t cancelled. This issue wasn’t even the Meekamui only but this K50m came from all the ex-combatants in unity. In the light of this, the K50m would have been used across the Bougainville region. The ex-coms knew what they were doing. And they asked this in a Melanesian tradition. What they visioned for the K50m were projects, schools, infrastructure developments such as roads, airport, post-office upgrade in Arawa etc. At the end of the day, the story remains, there were deaths, bloods sheds and lives lost, it wasn’t cheap for Bougainvilleans to simply let in the PM to Panguna without raising a stakeholder and reminding the PM that there are issues that directly link to the Bougainville Conflict that are still at large. They first thought the K50m should be put through the current Peace Development Program but there were other big stakeholders such as Aus-AID / UN there so they are thinking that this from the PM should put be aside, alone and be pumped into peace and development projects. But the greatest achievement of this resolution is that the road map to the National Reconciliations have now been clearly opened. Let’s all work together to reconcile with all our brothers and sisters in the national level. According to the info I got from the ground, so far there has been nothing negative to the PMs visit. It has been embraced the key leaders and all are looking forward to addressing B’ville issues and reconciliation issues at the national level. SMART thinking. This resolution is now with the PM’s department for further developments.

.....@wgku.....dafür haben wir ja unsere Forumsfreunde, die einem wieder auf die Sprünge ...

würde mich mal interessieren wen du mit wir meinst. Kannst du dazu mal was posten ? ;-)))))