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Contrade 121:

Märchenstunde - Fortsetzung Teil 343 :-))

3
15.05.09 14:34
Eilmeldung - Empire State-Index deutlich besser als erwartet
Datum 15.05.2009 - Uhrzeit 14:31 (© BörseGo AG 2000-2009, Autor: Huber Christoph, Redakteur, © GodmodeTrader - www.godmode-trader.de/)

Der Empire State-Index zum verarbeitenden Gewerbe im Großraum New York ist im Mai von minus 14,65 Punkten im Vormonat auf minus 4,55 Punkte gestiegen. Der Konsens sieht einen Stand von minus 12 Punkten vor.

Das könnte für eine Wiederbelebung der Aktienrally sorgen - immerhin handelt es sich um Manufacturing-Index.
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Anti Lemming:

Auto-Pleiten in USA: über 100.000 Entlassungen

6
15.05.09 14:39

könnten allein von GM und Chrysler in den kommenden Monaten kommen. Ford, Toyota und andere Autofirmen (bzw. der US-Filialen) werden ebenfalls Leute entlassen, so dass die US-Autoindustrie ingesamt bis zu 200.000 Leute auf die Straße setzen könnte (siehe unten).

Wenn die US-Regierung die neuen Stellen unter -500.000 drücken will (was dann ja das "ersehnte" Erholungssignal am Arbeitsmarkt liefern würde), müsste sie weitere Hunderttausende Arbeitslose in Pseudo-Jobs wie der Volkszählung "einstellen". Oder man müsste Penner und Schnorrer vorübergehend als (Hackevoll-)Beschäftige deklarieren ;-)

 


 

GM (GM) Dealer Closings: Another 100,000 Jobs Lost?

By 24/7 Wall St.

GM (GM) is about to notify about 20% of its dealer network that it will not renew its contracts with them when they expire next year. By most estimates well over 1,000 GM dealers will be cut off.

The action will add to unemployment nationwide and it could cause a significant increase in joblessness over the next several months. The 1,000 GM dealers probably employ over 50,000 people. Each dealer has its own suppliers and vendors so the impact will not be contained to only the workers that the dealer have on their payrolls.

Between Chrysler and GM, the total effect on unemployment due to dealership closings will be 100,000 people, and perhaps more. The other large car companies are also trying to improve the efficiency of their distribution systems. Toyota (TM), Ford (F), Honda (HMC), and some of the smaller car companies will  certainly make cuts of a magnitude similar to the ones by Chrysler and GM. That could push a total of 200,000 people out of work, many of them located in areas which are already economically depressed.

If the government is hoping that the rate at which the economy is losing jobs will drop below 500,000 people a month, it will have to make up for a lot of people being pushed out of the distribution, sales, and service businesses built around the large car firms.

Douglas A. McIntyre

www.marketwatch.com/story/...closings-another-100000-jobs-lost

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Katjuscha:

Ihr seid mir schon lustig Leute

4
15.05.09 14:54
Wenn die Zahlen schlecht sind, hat man's ja schon immer gewusst, und wenn die Zahlen gut sind, dann sind sie bestimmt manipuliert worden.

hach ja, ....

Das Leben ist schön.

Trotz alledem bin ich auch mal gespannt, wie man die vielen kommenden Arbeitslosen wieder zu Erwerb führen will. Zählen sich die 500.000 Volkszähler dann eigentlich selbst mit? Das könnte die Statistik natülich aufpeppen. Allein schon 500.000 Amis weniger. Ja hallo, das entlastet die Staatskasse ungemein.
Terroristen aus Liebe
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Anti Lemming:

US-Industrieproduktion auf Rekordtief

4
15.05.09 15:38

(die rekordtiefe Auslastung von 69,1 % passt nicht recht zur "Inflations-Story" mit dem teuren Öl - siehe hier)

 


 

U.S. April factory output down 0.5%
By Greg Robb

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) - The output of the nation's factories, mines and utilities fell 0.5% in April, the Federal Reserve said Friday. Output has fallen in six straight months and 15 out of the last 16 months. The output of most major market groups fell in April. The April decline was just a bit better than expected by economists surveyed by MarketWatch. Analysts had been expecting a 0.6% drop. Output in March was also slightly weaker than previously estimated. Output fell a revised 1.7% in March, compared with the initial estimate of a 1.5% drop. Capacity utilization - a gauge of slack in the economy -- fell to a record low 69.1%.


Veröffentlichung der Zahlen zur US-amerikanischen Industrieproduktion ("Industrial Production") für April 2009

Die US-amerikanische Industrieproduktion ist im April um 0,5 % gefallen. Erwartet wurde ein Rückgang im Bereich 0,5 bis 0,6 %. Im Vormonat war die Industrieproduktion in den Vereinigten Staaten um 1,7 % zurückgegangen. Damit wurde der im letzten Monat veröffentlichte Wert von -1,5 % nach unten revidiert.

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Pichel:

AL, schon gesehen?

10
15.05.09 15:52
Der USA Bären-Thread 233314
Es ist immer noch besser, die Wirtschaft gesundzubeten, als sie totzureden.
(Ludwig Erhard)
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pfeifenlümmel:

Postbank erwartet

 
15.05.09 17:09
Ende des Jahres negative Inflation gegnüber dem Vorjahr. Grund: im Vorjahr sind die Preise durch die Energieverteuerung stark angetrieben worden.
www.godmode-trader.de/de/boerse-analyse/...t,a1240291,c20.html
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daiphong:

#43250 unsere Ansichten unterscheiden sich doch

2
15.05.09 17:18
nicht darin, dass wir beide von einer Weltwirtschaftskrise und erheblichen Schwierigkeiten der Exportländer ausgehen.
Eine Heimholung von Industrie in die USA inmitten so einer Krise würde dort aber bereits sehr krasse Bedingungen voraussetzen und zur Folge haben, darum gings.
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CarpeDies:

Kein Ende der Krise

4
15.05.09 20:59
Einer der mal Schwarz und noch kein Ende der Flaute sieht; hoffentlich gehts ihm nicht so wie seiner Zeit dem Chef-Volkswirt der DB Norbert Walter....

Linde
Reitzle sieht kein Ende der Krise

Nach einem Gewinneinbruch im ersten Quartal stellt sich der Industriegasekonzern Linde auch im Gesamtjahr auf Rückgänge ein. Das Szenario von stabilen Erlösen und Ergebnissen sei angesichts der aktuellen Konjunkturprognosen weniger wahrscheinlich geworden, berichtet das Dax-Unternehmen.

München - "Eine rasche Erholung ist derzeit nicht in Sicht", sagte Linde-Chef Wolfgang Reitzle am Freitag bei der Hauptversammlung in München. "Aus heutiger Sicht müssen wir realistischerweise einen Rückgang einkalkulieren".


Das Positiv-Szenario, einen Konzernumsatz und ein Konzernergebnis auf dem Niveau von 2008 zu erzielen, sei nach den jüngsten, nochmals nach unten korrigierten Konjunkturprognosen weniger wahrscheinlich geworden, erläuterte Reitzle.

Auch die ursprünglich für 2010 geplanten Ziele, ein operatives Konzernergebnis von mindestens drei Milliarden Euro und eine Kapitalrendite von 13 Prozent, würde Linde Chart zeigen nach Reitzles Worten nun erst "einige Jahre später" anpeilen.

Eine rasche Erholung sei jedoch derzeit nicht in Sicht. Linde werde alles tun, um diese schwierige gesamtwirtschaftliche Phase so robust wie möglich zu durchlaufen, sagte Reitzle. Sein Programm zur Prozessoptimierung und Produktivitätssteigerung will der Dax-Konzern daher wie angekündigt beschleunigt umsetzen.

Dies sei in einigen Bereichen und Regionen auch mit Kapazitätsanpassungen verbunden, sagte der Manager. "Wo und in welchem Umfang Anpassungen erforderlich werden, lässt sich derzeit noch nicht abschließend sagen", erklärte Reitzle. Ein konkretes Personalabbauziel habe Linde nicht.

Anlässlich der Veröffentlichung der Erstquartalszahlen Anfang Mai hatte Finanzvorstand Georg Denoke bereits angekündigt, dass Linde im Rahmen eines Sparprogramms weltweit 3000 Arbeitsplätze abbauen werde.
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permanent:

Deutsche, befreit euch von dieser Regierung

6
16.05.09 00:47
FDP-Bundesparteitag
"Deutsche, befreit euch von dieser Regierung"
von Thomas Sigmund
FDP-Chef Guido Westerwelle bleibt dabei: Trotz gigantischer Steuerausfälle von 320 Milliarden Euro in den nächsten Jahren wollen die Liberalen die Steuern senken. Eineinhalb Stunden hat Westerwelle seine Partei auf die Bundestagswahl im Herbst eingeschworen. Bei den Delegierten kam das an: Sie bestätigten ihn mit einem Rekordergebnis im Amt.
www.handelsblatt.com/politik/deutschland/...-regierung;2278911
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metropolis:

SPX 600?

5
16.05.09 07:29

Posted on: Wednesday, May 6, 2009

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Green Shoots---Flowers or Weeds
Here We Go Again--They Never Learn

 

We seem to have a plethora of "green shoots" that we can all point to that indicate greener pastures for the economy and the stock market and we sincerely hope that they turn into the flowers everyone expects.  However, we have to look at things as realistically as we can, and have in the past, when we were concerned about the dot com mania in the late 1990s and when we were concerned about the housing bubble from 2003 through 2007.  The only thing that made sense to us over the past 13 years was the start of the secular bear market for a couple of years starting in 2000 and the financial unwinding starting in 2008.  It would suit us just fine to be wrong about this thinking, but we also must express our analysis as we see it. 

 

We went on a corporate, consumer and government binge that took our debt levels to the highest in all of history at about 370% of GDP.  As most of you know we have been concerned for many years that the unwinding of this debt will take our country into a deflationary spiral that will not end until a significant amount of the private debt is wiped out-- either through defaults or being retired.  We also do not expect the green shoots to produce the flowers that most envision until the secular bear market in stocks declines to the valuation levels of past bear market troughs.

 

Warren Buffet was interviewed on CNBC yesterday and stated that, "this market is not expensive but is not as cheap as it was in 1974".  We don't disagree that this market is not as cheap as 1974, but would add that this market is also not as cheap as it was in 1933, 1937-38, 1941-42, 1949-51, 1980-82, 1987, and 1991. You can determine relative valuations by clicking on "Limbo, Limbo" (using NDR charts) on our home page to determine when the market was more or less expensive using the metrics of your choice.  The one thing that is incontrovertible is that the market was much cheaper at the trough of every secular bear market.  And in most instances we never got close to the bargain areas that were reached at the end of each secular bear market. 

 

After these two bubbles bursting and the financial breakdown that caused a global meltdown, you would think the stock market will trade at the bargain levels of past major bear markets before this mess is resolved. 

 

We also believe we will experience a final bear market capitulation of equity mutual fund liquidations that will drive us to these low valuations.

 

We were concerned about the oversold condition of the stock market in early March when it was the most oversold since the Great Depression, and bearish sentiment was reaching record levels.  It was at that time that we expected the market to have a counter trend rally that would rise to about 20-25%.  Since that time the S&P 500 has rallied more than 30% and has just broken through the strong resistance of 878 on Monday.  The next resistance is at 944 and, as we have stated before, we don't expect the market to rise above 944 on the S&P 500. 

 

However, with that said, we must understand that anything can happen over the short term before our strong belief that the excess debt will contract into a deflationary bear market.  We sure didn't expect the financial mania of the late 1990s to drive the market up to valuation levels of almost double the prior market peaks while companies with no earnings and sometimes no revenues were going public and opening up 4 times the IPO price. 

 

We also didn't expect another bubble to inflate in 2003 just because the Fed lowered interest rates 13 times from over 6.5% in 2001 to 1% in June of 2003 and kept it there for a year.  The housing market was already at the highest valuation levels in history in September of 2003 (using the metrics of price to rents and price to median family incomes).  Who could have believed that less than 3 years after the dot com financial mania that we could have another mania in housing?  In 2003 the existing home price relative to family median income was just under 3 times family median income (which at the time was a record) and rose to 5 times family median income by 2006.  And all this took place as banks were repackaging mortgages (many subprime) for Wall Street to sell to their customers both here and abroad.  After the bubble burst in housing, the prices have still just declined to the extreme levels of 2003.  It was during this latest housing bubble that the S&P 500 rose from 775 in 2002 to 1565 in October of 2007-all within the secular bear market we keep talking about. 

 

The point we are trying to make is that if this country can experience two manias like this, what is to stop the market from rising above the 944 level (which is the highest level we expect) and even get up to 1000 or higher if there is a spreading fear among the public and money managers of missing the next bull market.  There is a ton of money in money markets and short term treasuries that would love to get higher returns and this could cause the stock market to continue the counter trend rally to levels no rational investor could expect.  Of course, this time there is nothing left to inflate after inflating the stock market in the late 1990s and the housing market in 2002, what's left?

 

With all of that said, we still expect the stock market to act more rationally and not to exceed the next resistance of 944 before resuming the secular bear market. We still believe the S&P 500 will eventually decline to10 times or less the smoothed earnings we are using of just under $60.

 

http://www.comstockfunds.com/...;newsletterid=1455&menugroup=Home

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metropolis:

Die Bullen kommen aus ihren Löchern

11
16.05.09 07:43
Das Angst-Pfeiffen im Wald?

Interessant: Sentix, AAII, AnimusX, alle die Umfragen haben in den letzten 2-3 Wochen extrem hohe Bullenquoten angezeigt. Doch in fast allen Kommentaren waren die Analysten nur VORSICHTIG bullish. Maximalziele von Dax 5300 wurde genannt, mehr nicht. Man war sich einig, dass es sich um eine Bärenmarktrally handle (nur einige wenige sprachen schon von der Wende).

Nun hat trotz einiger relativ (!) positiver Wirtschadtsdaten der Kurswind gedreht und viele der "vorsichtigen" Analysten outen sich nun als echte Bullen. Es handle sich nur um eine kurze Korrektur im Aufwärtstrend. Fast nirgendwo bei diesen Analysten ist von "erneutem Absturz" und "Ende der Rally" zu lesen. Maximales Downziel isr 4200.

Was folgern wir daraus? Zunächst ist die Luft raus. Die Korrektur-im Aufwärtstrend-Propheten sind typische Zuspätkommer, ähnlich derer, die im März nicht an den Trendwechsel glauben wollten. Vielleicht hofft der eine oder andere auch noch auf wieder höhere Kurse, um seine Aktien wieder loszuwerden bzw. short zu gehen.

Nichtsdestotrotz wird es vermutlich ähnlich wie Anfang Juni 2008 nach 2-3 Downwochen nochmal einen ernstzunehmenden Rallyversuch geben, vielleicht sogar zunächst eine Seitwärtskonsolidierung da noch zuviel Geld an der Seitenlinie steht. Scheitert diese, wird der Sommer sehr blutig. Ob es SPX 600 werden? Wer weiß. Das hängt sicher auch mit der Qualität der Nachrichten zusammen, die im Laufen des Downmoves durch die Presse gehen (der Move muss ja "begründet" werden). Tatsache ist, dass uns die Rezession im Sommer mit voller Wucht erreichen wird, da dann die Arbeitslosenrate stark steigen wird und somit in das Bewußtsein der Öffentlichkeit kommt. Bislang fühlt man sich im RL ja noch richtig betroffen.
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Anti Lemming:

Marcin: "Gimmick"-Wirtschaft für Versager

6
16.05.09 08:21

Street.com-Autor Robert Marcin redet unten "Tacheles" - eine schonungslose Abrechnung mit den Lügen und Manipulationen, die USA heute prägen. Er plädiert nach wie vor für den "Big Unwind" - und sieht das Gegenteil: "Bekloppte Banker leiten immer noch bankrotte Banken.... Überschuldete Konsumenten leben von der Hand in den Mund....Politiker und Bürger erhöhen die Verschuldungshebel in der 'Mutter aller Verschuldungsblasen'.... Die US-Regierung versucht die Illusion mit bewussten Täuschungen bei Statistikzahlen aufrechtzuerhalten: Wie kriegen wir die Arbeitsmarktzahlen passend hin? Sollen wir noch 60.000 Stellen über das Birth-Death-Modell 'generieren' oder besser noch 60.000 Volkszähler zuaddieren?.... Immer neue Programme und Hilfsfonds werden aufgelegt, um den Anschein zu erwecken, die Regierung hätte die Lage im Griff. Tatsächlich hat sie die Lage aber NICHT im Griff.... Wenn wir die Zahlen ansehen, stellen wir fest, dass sie nicht gut sind, und nichts ist wirklich repariert."

Starke Worte, wenn man bedenkt, dass Marcin aktiver Hedgefonds-Manager in USA ist - und KEIN Permabär.

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Ein anderer Street.com-Autor, Justin Ferayorni, schreibt dazu in einem Kommentar, dass das "dicke Ende" z. B. kommen könnte, wenn Kalifornien endgültig zahlungsfähig wird und die anderen US-Bundesländer beispringen müssen.:

Justin Ferayorni
Defiance
5/15/2009 3:54 PM EDT
Please read Bob Marcin's "Gimmick Economy" article, and think about it. I am in complete agreement. I eagerly await the outcome of next week's California special budgetary ballot and implications. I'm harping on this -- it may be nothing but it could be something: I'm interested if the reality check comes due when the rest of the union has to "save" California. The stock market and the nation at large weren't paying attention in 2005-2007 when the housing market in California slammed shut, and they aren't paying attention now either.

 


 

Investing
A Gimmick Economy for a Wimpy Populace
By Robert Marcin
Street.com Contributor
5/15/2009 3:20 PM EDT


Something about our whole economic condition keeps gnawing away at me, as if all is still not close to right. And I hear the talking heads treat our situation as a super-sized version of a traditional recession with a return to economic normalcy right around the corner. I wonder if I am missing something.

However, the conditions that created the mess in the first place are little-changed or -improved. Stupid bankers still run insolvent banks. Overlevered consumers still purchase away and live paycheck-to-paycheck without a viable emergency fund. Politicians guarantee even more of our financial system and intervene even more in what once was a free-market economy. They abrogate contract law and property rights, and many cheer because it "saves" things. In fact, in order to thwart the great recession, politicians and citizens have in fact added more leverage to the mother of all leverage bubbles, more intervention into the mother of all interventions. And the people were comforted.

This national acquiescence [Einverständnis] perplexed and annoyed me until it hit me. We have become a Wimpy populace in a gimmick economy. We don't seek substance and real improvements, we desire painless gimmicks that make us feel better in the short run but offer no lasting solutions.

A lot of things have changed in this country in the past 50 years. We went from doing the right thing for the right reasons to cutting corners to blatant government/citizenship manipulation and deception. The spin gets worse with each administration. Today, a bankruptcy filing represents a "new lease on life" and government data manipulation is a science. How many jobs do we need to hit the employment report? Better crank up the birth-death factor and throw in 60,000 new business jobs. Don't like the budget deficit? Take the war expenses off, but keep the Social Security surpluses in.

In our Wimpy society, we'll gladly borrow/print trillions on Tuesday for our hamburgers today. We gladly embrace the charade [Farce] to make us feel better, ignorant or dismissive of the real issues and solutions. Few note or complain these gimmicks or imbalances. No one wins from the implosion of a housing crash or leverage debacle. Few get praised for predicting dire outcomes.

So we muddle through as the government creates more programs/bailouts to generate the appearance of fixing things and the population goes about wishing/believing things will improve. Yet we know deep down inside that things still aren't right. We are "kicking the can down the road" (thanks, Barack), printing/borrowing trillions to prevent a natural, cyclical delevering of the economy.

I may have this whole Great Unwind thing wrong. We may be onward and upward from here as the recession fades into a distant memory, and the greatest country/economy in the world may come roaring back. The debt will just keep growing, the presses keep printing. We solved the problem the easy way, some electronic cash and a few Chinese I.O.U.s.[Schulden]

But that doesn't work for me. Call me a skeptic. Call me a jerk [Blödmann] for such "unpatriotic" verbiage. Call me a stupidly wrong hedge fund manager. Just don't call me dishonest or disingenuous. I am not blowing smoke where the sun doesn't shine. I'm not selling TV time with hyperbole or fully invested mandates for mutual funds. I am just trying to invest my capital prudently for decent returns, all things considered.

And when I look at the numbers, they ain't pretty, and things ain't fixed. The leverage, the housing crash, the unemployment rate, and the gutted [ausgeweidet] manufacturing economy are all still there. It seems to me that we need to delever and re-engineer this entire economy. So little of that has been accomplished.

This doesn't mean we'll meet Armageddon or that the sun won't shine again. However, it does mean that delevering and restructuring an entire economy will take a lot of time and heavy lifting. I don't know if America is really prepared for the task ahead. I know that talking heads and the politicians are not.

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Anti Lemming:

Spin-Doktoren mal wieder in Hochform

6
16.05.09 09:36

Handelsblatt, 15.5.09:

Erste Konjunkturindikatoren lassen vermuten, dass Bernankes Maßnahmen und die Ankündigung eines rund 800 Mrd. Dollar schweren Stimuluspakets der Regierung Wirkung zeigen. So fielen die Einzelhandelsumsätze zuletzt weniger stark als befürchtet und der Verbrauchervertrauensindex der Universität Michigan zog an.

 


 

Mittwoch,  13.05.2009
14:30 (MEZ)
Ort:      Washington, D.C.

Veröffentlichung der Zahlen zum US-amerikanischen Einzelhandelsumsatz ("Retail Sales") für April 2009

Der US-amerikanische Umsatz im Einzelhandel ist im April um 0,4 % zurückgegangen. Erwartet wurde ein leichter Umsatzrückgang von 0,0 bis -0,1 %. Im Vormonat war der Umsatz des Einzelhandels in den Vereinigten Staaten noch um 1,3 % gefallen (revidiert von -1,1 %).

Ohne die Autoverkäufe ist der Einzelhandelsumsatz in den USA ebenfalls um 0,5 % zurückgegangen. Gerechnet wurde mit einem Bereich von 0,0 %. Einen Monat zuvor war noch ein Rückgang um 1,2 % zu verzeichnen gewesen (revidiert von -0,9 %).

 

Quelle: www.derivatecheck.de

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Kicky:

Ein System,das auf ständigem Wachstum beruht,muss

6
16.05.09 09:47
fallen sagt Satyajit Das bei Eurointelligence  www.eurointelligence.com/article.581+M54f756d50c9.0.html
Das agressive Wachstum an globalen Schulden resultierte in einer starken Zunahme der Wachstumsraten..Man benötigte 4-5$ Schulden um 1$ Wachstum zu erreichen....Die Welt benutzte die Schulden, um den Konsum zu erhöhen und dies in einer relativ kurzen Zeit.Je mehr die Schulden zunehmen, um so mehr nehmen nun die Wachstumsraten ab

The key lesson of the global financial crisis (GFC) may be that the current economic order is "built to fail".

The ability to sustain high rates of economic growth, decreed by governments and central bankers, is questionable. The aggressive increase in debt globally resulted in a sharp increase in sustainable growth rates. $4 to $5 of debt was required to create $1 of growth. Approximately half the recorded growth in the US over recent years was driven by borrowing against the rising value of houses (mortgage equity withdrawals). As the level of debt in the global economy decreases, attainable growth levels also decline.

The world used debt to accelerate its consumption. Spending that would have taken place normally over a period of many years was squeezed into a relatively short period because of the availability of cheap borrowings. Business over invested misreading demand and assuming that the exaggerated growth would continue indefinitely created significant over-capacity in many sectors.

Growth in global trade and capital flows was also "built to fail". It was built on a financing model where sellers of goods and services indirectly financed the purchase. When the buyer is unwilling or unable to pay, the seller suffers doubly - sales fall and also the money advanced to the buyer falls in value.

The GFC has already reduced global trade and cross border capital flows. In late 2008, the World Bank forecasts a fall in global trade volumes for the first time in over 25 years. The Baltic Dry Freight Index, a measure of supply and demand for basic shipping, has fallen 90 % since mid 2008 although it recovered slightly in early 2009. Exports from Japan, Korea, Taiwan and China fell between 10% and 40% in late 2008 also signaling reduced demand for commodities.

The Institute for International Finance forecasts net private sector capital flows to emerging markets in 2009 will be less than US$165 billion - 36% of the US$466 billion inflow in 2008 and only one fifth the record amount in 2007. The projected decline in capital flows is around 6 % of the combined gross domestic product of the emerging countries. This compares to a decline of approximately 3.5 % of combined GDP in the Asian financial crisis and 1.5% in the Latin American crisis.

Investors in US government bonds have expressed deepening concern about the safety and security of their investments. Yu Yongding, a Chinese economist and former advisor to China’s central bank, warned in 2008 that: "If the US government allows Fannie and Freddie [government sponsored enterprises] to fail and international investors are not compensated adequately, the consequences will be catastrophic. If it’s not the end of the world, it is the end of the current international financial system." Kwag Dae Hwan, head of global investment, of South Korea’s US$220 billion National Pension Fund noted: "The image of US Treasuries as a safe haven has been tainted by the ongoing financial debacle … A big question mark hangs over whether the US can deal with an unprecedented amount of debt. That is unnerving all the investors, including me."

As the risk of trade and financial protectionism emerges, globalisation of trade and capital flows is reversing - the "flat world" is rapidly going "pear shaped".
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Kicky:

continued

6
16.05.09 10:03
.....The fiscal packages in many countries are "economic nationalist" encouraging spending on domestically produced goods and supporting national champions and local industries. The US, France, Germany, Spain have announced bailouts for domestic companies. Asian countries are seeking to weaken the currencies to support exports to maintain global competitiveness. The US Treasury Secretary recently accused China of manipulating its currency drawing angry responses from Beijing.

Financial protectionism has also emerged. Governments are supporting domestic banks and increasingly "directing" lending to domestic firms and households.

Concerns about immigration are emerging. There have been protests in UK against hiring foreign workers. This has serious implications of countries like Mexico, Eastern Europe, India and the Philippines that depend on worker remittances that are already slowing.

In an essay titled "The Great Slump of 1930," published in December of that year, Keynes observed: "We have involved ourselves in a colossal muddle, having blundered in the control of a delicate machine, the working of which we do not understand."
The current crisis calls into question the ability of government and policy makers to maintain control of the economy – Lenin’s "commanding heights".

Governments may not be able to address the deep-rooted problems in the current economic models. Government spending, if it can be financed, may not be able to adequately compensate for the contraction of consumption and lack of investment made worse by over capacity in many industries.

Government spending has little multiplier effect or velocity. The badly damaged financial system means that the circulation of money in the economy is at a standstill. While government spending may provide short-term demand boost and capital injections may partially rehabilitate banks, it is far from clear what will happen when all these measures are reversed.

Governments and central banks have limited available tools. Keynes famously described monetary policy as the equivalent of "pushing on a string". Given that interest rates are now at or approaching zero in many developed countries, there is no string at all. ......

Correcting global imbalances provides greater challenges. The world has relied heavily on debt fuelled American consumption to drive global growth. With 5% of the world’s population, the US is 25% of global GDP, 20% of global consumption and 50% of global current account deficit.

The US needs to decrease consumption, increase savings, reduce debt, export more and import less.
The countries with large savings and trade surpluses need to do exactly the opposite, specifically encourage domestic consumption. Currently both surplus and deficit countries are doing the opposite of what is required.

The challenge is evident in two telling statistics. Consumption is around 40% of the economy in China against over 70% in the US. Average earnings in China are only 10% of that in the US. The size of the adjustment is substantial.

David Rosenberg, an economist from Merrill Lynch, described the process of adjustment: "This is an epic event; we’re talking about the end of a 20-year secular credit expansion that went absolutely parabolic from 2001-2007. Before the US economy can truly begin to expand again, the savings rate must rise to pre-bubble levels of 8%, the US housing stock must fall to below eight-months’ supply, and the household interest coverage ratio must fall from 14% to 10.5%. It’s important to note what sort of surgery that is going to require. We will probably have to eliminate $2 trillion of household debt to get there, this will happen either through debt being written off, as major financial institutions continue to do, or for consumers themselves to shrink their own balance sheets."

Corrective action will only deepen the recession and disrupt global funding flows. Wen Jiabao, the Chinese Prime Minister, recently indicated that China’s "greatest contribution to the world" would be to keep it’s own economy running smoothly. This may signal a shift whereby China uses its savings to invest in the domestic economy rather than to finance US needs.

Redirection of capital held in central banks and sovereign wealth funds to domestic economies affects the global capital flows needed to finance banking system recapitalisation and spending packages in the debtor countries. Maintenance of the cross border capital flows to finance the debtor countries budget and trade deficits slows down growth in emerging countries and also perpetuates the imbalances.

There is now acknowledgement that the economic model itself is the source of the problem. Zhou Xiaochuan, governor of the Chinese central bank, commented: "Over-consumption and a high reliance on credit is the cause of the US financial crisis. As the largest and most important economy in the world, the US should take the initiative to adjust its policies, raise its savings ratio appropriately and reduce its trade and fiscal deficits." More ominously Chinese President Hu Jintao recently noted: "From a long-term perspective, it is necessary to change those models of economic growth that are not sustainable and to address the underlying problems in member economies."

In the GFC, politicians, bureaucrats and central bankers have been exposed to have no more powers than the Wizard of Oz – old desperate men (they are mainly men) behind the curtain running from one lever to another in a desperate attempt to maintain illusions.
In the US alone, more than 3.6 million jobs have been lost. In Spain, unemployment has reached the middle teens. Exports and production have fallen in countries as varied as Spain, Japan, South Korea and Taiwan by amounts that beggar belief. An astonishing US$30 trillion of wealth has been obliterated in America alone. Entire countries – Iceland and Ireland – have been savaged.

The GFC coincides with another crisis: the GEC or Global Environmental Crisis. "Toxic debt" and "toxic emissions" increasingly clamor simultaneously for politician’s attention.

Irreversible climate change, scarcity of vital resources (food and water) and falling biodiversity are not unconnected with the existing economic system. Economists and politicians implicitly assume that high levels of growth drive increased living standards, rescuing people from poverty and social development. No limit to economic growth is recognised............www.eurointelligence.com/article.581+M54f756d50c9.0.html
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Kicky:

und was macht Soros?

3
16.05.09 10:19
extra für Ferdi Kübler ggg
NEW YORK — Soros Fund Management LLC, the investment arm of billionaire George Soros, reported holdings of $4.51 billion at the end of the first quarter as the fund increased its stake in many retailers, while cutting its exposure to financial firms.

The value of Soros’ fund slipped 2 percent between Dec. 31 and March 31, but easily outperformed the broader market, which was hammered by the credit crisis and ongoing recession. The Standard & Poor’s 500 index fell 11.7 percent during that period.

During the quarter, the fund added to its positions in well-known retailers such as Home Depot Inc., Lowe’s Cos., Macy’s Inc., Wal-Mart Stores Inc. and Walgreen Co. according to a filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission. The fund cut its positions in some major financial firms such as Goldman Sachs Group Inc. and Merrill Lynch & Co., which was acquired by Bank of America Corp. ...

The fund more than tripled its stake in home improvement retailer Home Depot and held 3.9 million shares at the end of March. It more than quadrupled its stake in Home Depot’s competitor Lowe’s, holding 5.4 million shares at the end of the first quarter. Each position was valued at a little less than $100 million at the end of the quarter.

Investments in department store retailer Macy’s sharply increased during the quarter. At the end of March, the fund held about 9.8 million shares of stock valued at around $87.6 million, compared with 571,000 shares worth $5.9 million at the end of December.

A stake in Wal-Mart was nearly quadrupled to 1.8 million shares valued at $94.7 million, while the fund purchased 1.9 million shares of Walgreen, a stock it did not own at the end of the first quarter.

One of the few retailers that Soros’ fund sold stock in during the quarter was electronics giant Best Buy Inc. The fund cut its holdings to about 1.9 million shares from 9.5 million at the end of the fourth quarter.

The fund also actively sold off positions in major financial firms. It completely cut its modest holdings in Goldman Sachs, which were valued at about $1.5 million at the end of December.
As of Dec. 31, the fund held 23.2 million shares of Merrill Lynch stock valued at about $269.8 million. On Jan. 1 Merrill completed its all-stock sale to Bank of America. Soros’ fund did not hold any shares of Bank of America as of March 31. www.khaleejtimes.com/biz/inside.asp?xfile=/...;section=finance
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Kicky:

Europa im tiefen Loch

5
16.05.09 10:37
www.economist.com/world/europe/...id=13681217&fsrc=twitter
da der Telegraph schon fast triumphiert,dass es Deutschalnd so schlecht geht ,hier mal eine Zusammenfassung aus etwas neutralerer Quelle:
THE euro area is falling into such a deep hole that the recovery, when it eventually comes, will be a long, hard journey. Figures released on Friday May 15th showed that GDP in the 16-country currency zone fell by 2.5% in the first quarter, an annualised rate of some 10%, far worse than many analysts had feared. Germany, the largest economy in the group, fell even harder: its GDP shrank by 3.8% in the three months to March and has plunged by almost 7% since its recession began a year ago. Italy’s GDP fell by 2.4% in the quarter; Spain’s by 1.8%. The 1.2% fall in France, large by any normal standards, almost counts as a boom.

The figures confirmed that the euro zone has been hit far harder by the global downturn than its rich-world peers (and largest export markets) in America and Britain. When spending in these countries dried up, because of scarce credit, they exported some of the pain to their suppliers. For that reason Germany has so far paid a higher price for its reliance on exports than the Anglo-Saxon countries have borne for their dependence on credit and rising house prices. Since the collapse of Lehman Brothers in September, export-led manufacturers have been hit hardest. For example Slovakia, the euro zone’s newest member (it joined in January), saw its GDP crash by 11.2% in the first quarter. Its economy leans heavily on carmaking and its loss has been far more severe even than in Germany.

One of the ironies of this downturn is that it was caused by global housing and credit busts, and yet the economies that have suffered most, such as Germany and Japan, sat out the credit boom. Even in Europe some sinners have faired better than saints, in GDP terms at least. As painful as Spain’s construction bust is, in terms of lost jobs and evaporating tax revenues, its economy has contracted less and more slowly than Germany’s.

Despite the carnage in continental Europe, the sense of crisis among the population is not yet as great as in America or Britain. That is because of another irony: Europe’s inflexible labour markets may hamper jobs growth, but they also work against rapid lay-offs in recession. The unemployment rate in Germany has scarcely budged in the past year. The bad news on euro-zone jobs has mostly been in Ireland and Spain, where jobless rates have roughly doubled in a year. Ireland is one of Europe’s most flexible economies. Spain has its rigidities, but at the peak of the boom as many as a third of its workers were on fixed-term contracts. Those jobs can be shed quickly and easily. In both countries, jobs are disappearing fast in the construction industry, because of collapsing house-building. Things will not get much better soon..........
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Malko07:

Deutsche Finanzaufsicht

7
18.05.09 10:55

BANKGESCHÄFTE

Verheugen verdammt deutsche Finanzaufsicht

"Hochriskant", "unkalkulierbar": EU-Kommissar Verheugen geht hart mit den Geschäften der deutschen Banken und der Finanzaufsicht ins Gericht. Die Institute seien "Weltmeister in riskanten Geschäften" gewesen - sogar noch schlimmer als die Pleitebanken in den USA.

Der USA Bären-Thread 5849829

München - Die Kritik lässt in ihrer Deutlichkeit nichts zu wünschen übrig: "Nirgendwo, auch nicht in Amerika, haben sich Banken mit größerer Bereitschaft in unkalkulierbare Risiken gestürzt, allen voran die Landesbanken", sagte EU-Kommissar Günter Verheugen der "Süddeutschen Zeitung". "Deutschland war Weltmeister in riskanten Bankgeschäften." Dies sei nur möglich gewesen, weil die Aufsicht die Dinge habe laufen lassen.

In der EU-Kommission werde daher die Rolle der deutschen Finanzaufsicht kritisch beurteilt. "Es ist ja kein Naturgesetz, hochriskante Geschäfte abzuschließen und zuzulassen." Andere Länder wie beispielsweise Italien stünden nun besser da mit ihren Banken, dort gebe es keine Schrottpapiere.

www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/0,1518,625397,00.html

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Anti Lemming:

Schwarze Löcher

3
18.05.09 10:57

so weit das Auge reicht, nun sogar schwarz-rote.

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Malko07:

Deutsche Finanzaufsicht

8
18.05.09 11:02

BANKGESCHÄFTE

Verheugen verdammt deutsche Finanzaufsicht

"Hochriskant", "unkalkulierbar": EU-Kommissar Verheugen geht hart mit den Geschäften der deutschen Banken und der Finanzaufsicht ins Gericht. Die Institute seien "Weltmeister in riskanten Geschäften" gewesen - sogar noch schlimmer als die Pleitebanken in den USA.

München - Die Kritik lässt in ihrer Deutlichkeit nichts zu wünschen übrig: "Nirgendwo, auch nicht in Amerika, haben sich Banken mit größerer Bereitschaft in unkalkulierbare Risiken gestürzt, allen voran die Landesbanken", sagte EU-Kommissar Günter Verheugen der "Süddeutschen Zeitung". "Deutschland war Weltmeister in riskanten Bankgeschäften." Dies sei nur möglich gewesen, weil die Aufsicht die Dinge habe laufen lassen.

In der EU-Kommission werde daher die Rolle der deutschen Finanzaufsicht kritisch beurteilt. "Es ist ja kein Naturgesetz, hochriskante Geschäfte abzuschließen und zuzulassen." Andere Länder wie beispielsweise Italien stünden nun besser da mit ihren Banken, dort gebe es keine Schrottpapiere.

.....

www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/0,1518,625397,00.html

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Anti Lemming:

SP-500 - KGV bei 124

9
18.05.09 14:56
Man beachte den KGV-Chart unten
(Verkleinert auf 74%) vergrößern
Der USA Bären-Thread 233511
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Anti Lemming:

SP-500 Gewinn bald negativ?

5
18.05.09 14:59
www.ritholtz.com/blog/
(Verkleinert auf 74%) vergrößern
Der USA Bären-Thread 233513
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Maxgreeen:

ich würde statt

5
18.05.09 17:03
Verheugen verdammt deutsche Finanzaufsicht

lieber lesen

Verheugen feuert deutsche Finanzaufsicht ( mit Pension auf mit Hartz4 Niveau )
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obgicou:

Stronger than ever vs. Younger than ever

6
18.05.09 17:05
Rochdale Securities analyst Richard Bove:
Banks are stronger than ever
Unless one is convinced that the economy cannot withstand the recessionary pressures now in evidence, the numbers are clear. Explosive earnings and stock growth are ahead for banking.


James:
You look younger than ever, love! Younger than ever! Ha, ha, ha...
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Malko07:

Die spinnen, die Römer!

8
18.05.09 17:55

Geldpolitik und Finanzkrise

Negative Leitzinsen – das Undenkbare denken

von Hans Christian Müller

Tiefer als null, sind Ökonomen überzeugt, können Leitzinsen nicht fallen. Prominente Forscher stellen dieses Dogma jetzt Frage. Negative Leitzinsen seien sehr wohl möglich, betont Harvard-Professor Greg Mankiw. Die konkreten Vorschläge wirken auf auf den ersten Blick bizarr. Sie würden die Mechanismen der Bankenwelt komplett verändern.

Eigentlich war es eine Routine-Aufgabe für die Forscher der US-Notenbank Federal Reserve (Fed). Sie wollten ermitteln, wo derzeit der optimale Leitzins liegen müsste. Wie immer fütterten sie ihren Computer mit den neuesten Daten zu Inflation und Wirtschaftslage. Und der spuckte ihnen vor einigen Wochen dieses Ergebnis aus: minus fünf Prozent.

Die optimalen Leitzinsen – ermittelt mit einem seit den frühen 90er-Jahren bewährten Verfahren, der „Taylor-Regel“ –, sie müssten in den USA negativ sein, weil Inflationsrate und Wirtschaftswachstum derzeit so niedrig ausfallen. Diese Zahl ließ die Forscher staunen, denn negative Leitzinsen gelten als unmöglich.

Der Zinssatz, zu dem sich Geschäftsbanken bei der Zentralbank Geld leihen können, liegt in den USA, genauso wie in Japan und Großbritannien, bereits praktisch bei null. Die meisten Experten sind sich einig, dass die traditionelle Geldpolitik damit am Ende ihrer Möglichkeiten angekommen ist. Tiefer als null können die Leitzinsen der Notenbanken ja nun mal nicht fallen.

Oder etwa doch?

Weiter unter www.handelsblatt.com/politik/nachrichten/...undenkbare-denken;2281922

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