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Da die Juistiz in den USA, eine präzedenzfall justiz ist, man orientiert sich an bereits gesprochenen Urteilen, wäre es doch der absolute Hammer, wenn Mary uns ausbuchen würde und der Gegenpartei Recht geben würde.
WEIL sie einen Präzedenzfall schaffen würde. Es wäre nicht mehr nötig eine Assetliste, also eine Vermögensaufstellung vorzuweisen. Diese ist aber absolut Notwendig um die gläubiger nach Ihren Anteilen auszuzaheln um so eine geordnetes Konkursverfahren einzuleiten und abzuschließen. Es ist die Grundlage jedes Konkursfalls, dass eine Bestandsaufnahme, materieller Güter und Vermögenswerte in Cash vorgenommen wird.
Wenn Mary diesen Quark genehmigt, dann berufen sich in Zukunft die Streitenden Parteien auf dieses Urteil, und millionen von Assetlisten wären wie vom Erdboden verschwunden.
Chaos und prozesse ohne Ende wären die Folge.
Einigung muss her... oder die Assetliste muss her... eins von beiden ist Notwendig.

glaubt man an die Sache und behält seine Aktien oder man glaub nicht an die Aktien und verkauft. Dieses 20:80 Geschwafel geht mir auf die Eier!!

This is what is wrong with all of the naysayers on this board.. If THJMW (The Honorable Judge Mary Walrath) had not called out the concerns of Nate Thoma in her Jan 7 opinion, we would have all lost our investment and be doing something else by now. Many of you "investors" would have been crying in your bourbon, but that did not happen, she threw equity a bone and put the insider trading allegations into the opinion.. Making sure to point out the court can not release the SNH's because of these allegations and no consideration was being obtained for the releases. She is now protecting equity from the debtors (the adversaries she personally called out from the bench) because it is the debtors in possession who are in charge of administering the estate, not the Judge. She found their behavior suspect and ruled to appoint an examiner, reversing herself on the previous denial. If you guys remember, the examiner also pointed to a "litigation morass" and "difficulty with collection" when he concluded the GSA was fair and reasonable.. He saw alot more than us, yet he still said "the ability of the parties to litigate the claims will cost the estate more, than the recovery they may hope to get." In other words, JPM and FDIC have way to many resources and funds when it comes to litigation and will bog the estate down in a mess that could drain the estate money before it drains theirs.

A BK judge is basically a referee and will step in when it is necessary to rule on something. However, you have to understand most of the issues in BK are settled prior to coming up to the bench and very few ask the Judge for a "clarification of the law!" If you have an issues with investing in BK's and want to bash the Judge who is keeping us alive,

I say "GROW UP AND GO READ SOME BANKRUPTCY LAWS AND BOOKS!"

In Feb 2010 because she is bound by the rules of procedure, she asked each party to the GSA whether they were ready for her to rule. The FDIC said "we would like some more time your honor." She asked JPMC and Debtors counsel if they had any objections to FDIC requesting more time and they said "NO!" They all walked back in the courtroom on March 4th, went straight to chambers and this time it was the debtors who wanted more time. She was going to rule on March 12th, but Rosen stopped her because they had a GSA that stopped the claims process from being adjudicated. As we all are quite aware 27B from each party JPMC and FDIC-R were never adjudicated, but the GSA settles them. How are we supposed to know what those claims are, maybe the FDIC-R is wanting the estate to pay for the WMB Bondholders, we do not know and many have speculated on what the claims can mean. She made a point to make sure that the procedure of 9019 would be followed at the EC's request.

As we move forward with the mediation process, we have to understand exactly who was sent to mediation. It wasn't JPMC or FDIC-R, no it was [all] the other parties who want the cash and scraps that are left. The GSA clears the claim docket on the JPMC/FDIC-R side and puts a veil over the parties to it. However, the 7B in cash that is coming back to the estate, has to go somewhere and that my friends are the parties who were sent to mediation.

EC has done a superb job of adjudicating their IT claims, because it has shown a "bright light at the end of the tunnel." The SNH's have over 3B in creditor claims against this estate and THJMW colored them on IT. That means her ruling of disallowance and possibly even disgorgement could effectively ruin not only their careers, firms and possible freedom, it sets a new precedent in the way the hedge funds who want to buy up debtor debt will need to operate if they elect to be a part of the process. We all know March 12th was no fluke, it was insider trading, and it harmed every shareholder of all 3 series of stocks. The insiders knew what Rosen was going to do, so they traded early to kill the stocks with very small volume and made big money doing it (disgorgement). They are guilty of many more instances and new discovery order against them will lay it all to bare.

So, for the naysayers who want to keep bashing this Judge, I say go to some other courtrooms and see how other judges are punting issues. Settlement is part of court, in any court, and in law it is used 90% of the time. Why would any of you think it would be any different in here? She gave us a bone, she could easily have wiped us out; we know how long the Appeal process is in BK courts. She left us alive and breathing, so we can live to fight on and that is exactly what Susman Godfrey (Parker/Edgar/Seth/Justin) have been doing...

THEIR JOB!!!

WHAT ELSE DO YOU WANT ?????

Everything has a process !!!

ich glaube auch nicht, dass Susman irgendwelche spektakulären Machenschaften beweisen kann und will, oder irgendwelche Smoking Guns, die JPM und FDIC in die Bedrängnis bringen könnten.Ich nehme an, dass er einfach die Assetliste hat und weiß was noch zu holen ist. nicht mehr und nicht weniger.

Zitat:

ich glaube auch nicht, dass Susman irgendwelche spektakulären Machenschaften beweisen kann und will, oder irgendwelche Smoking Guns, die JPM und FDIC in die Bedrängnis bringen könnten.Ich nehme an, dass er einfach die Assetliste hat und weiß was noch zu holen ist. nicht mehr und nicht weniger.

genau, deshalb ist auch die Liste nicht vorhanden.

1. Wäre die Liste vorhanden, wäre das ganze schon vor langer Zeit beendet worden.

2. Die Anwälte hätten nichts verdient (logisch)

3: würde jetzt die Liste auftauchen hätte Rosen & Co ein Problem als Anwalt von WMI.

 

Deshalb werde ich weiterhin meine Aktien schön im Depot lassen.

 

mfg

 

Odin

Ps: Dies ist meine pers. Meinung und soll nicht zum Kauf oder Verkauf dieser Aktie dienen

 

 

 

 

 

...nur eine persönliche einschätzung der chancen auf erfolg, chep...

einfaches beispiel...wenn du einen lottoschein ausfüllst...ist dein glaube auf erfolg, einen 6er zu erzielen...doch auch nicht 100 %?...oder...? ...wohl eher die hoffnung darauf...es sei denn du hast eine glaskugel..

man muss also nicht unbedingt an einen erfolg hier glauben...um seine  shares weiterhn zu halten...war allerdings schon schwer am grübeln...obs das für mich war...

ist auch nur meine persönliche einschätzung...und eigentlich auch eher unwichtig...

kleiner tipp...wenn dich meine einschätzung so dermassen stört...setz mich einfach auf grau...

in diesem sinne...

Bid/ask - ist doch jeden Tag fast dasselbe. Regt keinen mehr auf oder an.
Sorry
OW

speziell 2 stunden vor börsenöffnung - verzichte mal auf den schwarzen :)

ask war doch tiefer? kann mich auch täuschen ;-)
mal abwarten......

Interessanter Beitrag von Dir,
" Die US-Notenbank FED will u.a. .........gegen eine Verschlimmerung der EUROPÄISCHEN Schuldenkrise testen."

Das ist ja wohl der Gipfel der Verlogenheit, woher kommt denn die Fianzkrise ?
Aber immer schön mit dem Finger auf anderen zeigen.

Nur noch zum lachen ( oder auch nicht ).

Gruß
ercoan

Warum Richterin Walrath am BC Delaware (Wilmington) für die dunkle Seite spielen soll, ist doch wohl klar.
Das nette 72.000 Einwohner Dörfchen Wilmington (Staat Delaware) ist doch "international hometown of legalised criminality" und dort sitzen viele Firmen, die sich ihre Betrügereien im Notfall auch vor Ort rechtlich absegnen bzw. legalisieren lassen.

Wenn ich mir z.B. die Beteiligungen der DB anschaue, dann lese ich zu gefühlten 50% was vom "Firmensitz Wilmington". Da es bei diesen Beteiligungen auch noch um so höchst seriöse Dinge wie z.B. Kreditderivate (TRS=Total Return Swap) oder den Handel mit US-Lebensversicherungspolicen geht (Life Insurance Trust), weiß man doch, wie sicher und geborgen die Finanzbranche sich dort fühlen muss.

www.db.com/ir/de/download/...09_List_of_Shareholdings_2009.pdf

Damit Sie sich nicht immer mit grünen Sternchen beschäftigen müssen gibts jetzt mal nen schwarzen.

Ich glaube nicht, dass Susman diese verdammte Liste vorliegen hat. Die war damals natürlich (wahrscheinlich) dem Vertrag beigefügt. Welche Zahlen da allerdings vermerkt waren wissen wir nicht.

Innerhalb wenigen Tagen genauste Zahlen zu ermitteln dürfte schwierig gewesen sein. Es kam allerdings ja doch garnicht auf einige Milliarden an, da ohnehin feststand, dass JPM´s Gauner die zukünftigen Eigentümer werden sollten. Plötzlich war es dann ein Versehen, das im Kaufvertrag auf die 3.1a Liste Bezug genommen wurde...

Zitat aus: (Ist übrigens eine sehr interessante Seite mit hunderten alten Docs und Links)

www.wamurape.org/wamurape.aspx?g=posts&t=652

NOTE: It cites addendum 3.1a as a list where everything in the purchase  is listed. After someone wrote the FDIC wanting a copy of that list,  they then wrote on the FDIC website that it was a scriveners error and  no 3.1a document exists...so that means there is NO list of what JPM  bought in the sale agreement.

MMn spielt diese berüchtigte 3.1a Liste gar nicht solch eine große Rolle. Natürlich wäre es super, wenn sie auftauchen würde, da dann zumindest irgendwelche Werte aufgeführt sein müssten. Nur stimmen diese dann ??

Wir (EC) haben doch jemand, der diese damaligen Werte genau kennen müsste. Das ist Solomon und das müsste auch der Examiner gewesen sein mit seinem Müllgutachen. Den vollständigen Inhalt kennen wir ja nicht.

Wenn zumindest Solomon nach dieser langen Zeit zum Recherchieren keine halbwegs richtigen Zahlen vorliegen hat  worauf Susman zugreifen kann, dann sollte man ihm seine verdienten Millionen in Hartgeld an die Füße binden und ihn in den Atlantik werfen.

 

 

wie bereits im Oktober geschrieben, sind die Tage von Delaware auch schon gezählt.

www.businessweek.com/news/2011-10-18/...with-proposed-law.html

Andere wollen auch mal richtig absahnen.

Gruß
Dude44

aber hätte es nicht gereicht, kurz und bündig zu sagen, dass es dir auf den sack geht, dass faster da nicht mehr drauf eingegangen ist? statt hier so einen psalm abzulassen?

und kanns sein, dass die luft dort oben dünn ist?

Zitat: "Auch das ist ein Merkmal, wodurch ich mich von einigen hier doch deutlich unterscheide !" du bist also besser als der rest?

was hat wohl mehr nachhall? ein kurzes "uninteressant" oder gefühlte 200 zeilen beschwerde in krampfhaft gestelztem schreibstil?

muss das denn hier immer weiter getrieben werden?

KEH

Judge speaking said she will give each an hour and she has a short meeting.

Stienberg up at this time.

hier geht es weiter für leute die eher an thread relevanten sachen interessiert sind möchte hier ja niemanden stören...
messages.finance.yahoo.com/Stocks_(A_to_Z)/...;frt=2&off=1

wäre  Zeit, mal zu überlegen, ob die unten stehende Liste von 7 User nicht mal

auf 8 erweitert wird.

Glückauf

He? Einfach Antrag stellen oder ruhig verhalten. Soviel Platz ist da unten nämlich gar nicht. Und wenn alle, die hin und wieder (oder ständig) ihren geistigen Müll ablassen, aus dem Thread flögen, dann wäre dies eine einsame Insel.
Was soll die Hetze?
OW

This is why I don't converse on here as much as I used to.. You get people who think this Judge should unilaterally do whatever they need her to do.. The rules, codes and laws are written by Congress, if they wanted BK Judges to unilaterally do things, they would have put in the code..  

A bankruptcy judge is not a criminal judge, this judge is bound by the rules and procedures of bankruptcy law, so she can not say "settle this or else!" she has to coax the parties to the table. She is using a mediator because parties to the case are much more willing to discuss their issues privately with a disinterested party than publicly with a judge. As you will all recall when she has had chambers meetings, they have been "in-camera" and many parties have been present.

This is what is wrong with all of the naysayers on this board.. If THJMW (The Honorable Judge Mary Walrath) had not called out the concerns of Nate Thoma in her Jan 7 opinion, we would have all lost our investment and be doing something else by now. Many of you "investors" would have been crying in your bourbon, but that did not happen, she threw equity a bone and put the insider trading allegations into the opinion.. Making sure to point out the court can not release the SNH's because of these allegations and no consideration was being obtained for the releases. She is now protecting equity from the debtors (the adversaries she personally called out from the bench) because it is the debtors in possession who are in charge of administering the estate, not the Judge. She found their behavior suspect and ruled to appoint an examiner, reversing herself on the previous denial. If you guys remember, the examiner also pointed to a "litigation morass" and "difficulty with collection" when he concluded the GSA was fair and reasonable.. He saw alot more than us, yet he still said "the ability of the parties to litigate the claims will cost the estate more, than the recovery they may hope to get."  In other words, JPM and FDIC have way to many resources and funds when it comes to litigation and will bog the estate down in a mess that could drain the estate money before it drains theirs.  

A BK judge is basically a referee and will step in when it is necessary to rule on something. However, you have to understand most of the issues in BK are settled prior to coming up to the bench and very few ask the Judge for a "clarification of the law!" If you have an issues with investing in BK's and want to bash the Judge who is keeping us alive,  

I say "GROW UP AND GO READ SOME BANKRUPTCY LAWS AND BOOKS!"

In Feb 2010 because she is bound by the rules of procedure, she asked each party to the GSA whether they were ready for her to rule. The FDIC said "we would like some more time your honor." She asked JPMC and Debtors counsel if they had any objections to FDIC requesting more time and they said "NO!" They all walked back in the courtroom on March 4th, went straight to chambers and this time it was the debtors who wanted more time. She was going to rule on March 12th, but Rosen stopped her because they had a GSA that stopped the claims process from being adjudicated. As we all are quite aware 27B from each party JPMC and FDIC-R were never adjudicated, but the GSA settles them. How are we supposed to know what those claims are, maybe the FDIC-R is wanting the estate to pay for the WMB Bondholders, we do not know and many have speculated on what the claims can mean. She made a point to make sure that the procedure of 9019 would be followed at the EC's request.

As we move forward with the mediation process, we have to understand exactly who was sent to mediation. It wasn't JPMC or FDIC-R, no it was [all] the other parties who want the cash and scraps that are left. The GSA clears the claim docket on the JPMC/FDIC-R side and puts a veil over the parties to it. However, the 7B in cash that is coming back to the estate, has to go somewhere and that my friends are the parties who were sent to mediation.

EC has done a superb job of adjudicating their IT claims, because it has shown a "bright light at the end of the tunnel." The SNH's have over 3B in creditor claims against this estate and THJMW colored them on IT. That means her ruling of disallowance and possibly even disgorgement could effectively ruin not only their careers, firms and possible freedom, it sets  a new precedent in the way the hedge funds who want to buy up debtor debt will need to operate if they elect to be a part of the process. We all know March 12th was no fluke, it was insider trading, and it harmed every shareholder of all 3 series of stocks. The insiders knew what Rosen was going to do, so they traded early to kill the stocks with very small volume and made big money doing it (disgorgement). They are guilty of many more instances and new discovery order against them will lay it all to bare.  

So, for the naysayers who want to keep bashing this Judge, I say go to some other courtrooms and see how other judges are punting issues. Settlement is part of court, in any court, and in law it is used 90% of the time. Why would any of you think it would be any different in here? She gave us a bone, she could easily have wiped us out; we know how long the Appeal process is in BK courts. She left us alive and breathing, so we can live to fight on and that is exactly what Susman Godfrey (Parker/Edgar/Seth/Justin) have been doing...

THEIR JOB!!!

WHAT ELSE DO YOU WANT ?????

Everything has a process !!!

http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=69271539

Gruß
Dude44

 

und habe eine hohe Toleranzschwelle

hallo Dude44 schau mal ... #168964 (fsshon sein Beitrag)

Antwort von CWG darauf:
ZItat Civil War General:
When we survived last January the NOLs increased.
Who knew we would be able to increase the NOLs by surviving past January 1 yet again?
Only because our Judge, acting within the Rules of Bankruptcy, found a justification to keep us alive.
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Delaware Shareholder Services
The U.S. Bankruptcy Court approved Washington Mutual's motion, pursuant to Sections 105(a) and 363 of the Bankruptcy Code, (I) authorizing Washington Mutual to surrender and terminate certain insurance policies and (II) authorizing Pacific Life to distribute the policy proceeds. According to the motion, the Company's decision to exercise its ownership rights, prospective or otherwise, under the Policies at this time is an exercise of sound business judgment, is undertaken in good faith, and is in the best interests of WMI's estates and creditors. Surrendering the Policies will lead to monetization of approximately $3 million, ensuring that such funds are readily available to distribution to WMI's creditors upon confirmation of a chapter 11 plan."
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aus dem Yahoo Forum von diversen Usern eingestellt zu den Dimeq`s

- Says he has broken the issues up into four parts.
He is going over the history at this time of the LTWs
- Says he has a closing binder that has all the key information.
He is going over what is in the binder at this time.
- He is saying there were only two tracking warrents. One Golden State and Dimes.
- He is going over some of what was said during the depositions and putting out arguements.
Saying that no one considered a BK when drafting the LTWs.
- He is going over the depo of S&C saying they were JPM atty. and would not testify. Saying that he was not telling because of Atty confidence.
- Saying that risks are different than equity warrents. The valuation of the LTWs are somethin different then equity warrents. Depended on recovery of litigation.
- Saying that we have shown why the litigation tracking warrents are debt and not equity. He is going over the arguement that Chamberlin went over and showing that it was wrong. Said that she was not an expert in warrents.
- Art's best quote so far: "When you have nothing you grasp at straws." This refers to the debtor, of course.
- I think the other good quote was:
"I'm going to say something nice about Ms. Chamberlain".
"She was a great witness for us."
{She wasn't DimeQ's witness}
- Adjourned
- No not adjourned just break. Judge had business to take care of and will come back soon.
- No! Just a short break for another case. They will be back soon!
- wow, a new id just for that?
- Oh sorry didn't catch that, thanks.
- First post ever!!
You need to pay attention.
- simmer down please i'm trying to pay attention!
- here start the bullchit again.And thanJudgejust sit andhear atientlythis kind of cheating lies and manipulation of the Debtors Atorneys which deserve to go in Jail for gifting away the LTW money to the JPIGs.
- ...
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MfG.L:)