Das war nur der erste Teil des Interviews.Heute Morgen wurde den ESBC im Crowne Plaza die Postcourierausgabe aufgeschlagen auf der Businessseite mit Teil 2 aufs Zimmer gebracht ;-)
Leo Hennett,Boug PM in 89 ist schon eingetroffen u. hat soeben mit uns gefrühstückt. Gestern abend gab es lange Gespräche zwischen uns u. den Landowners.Auch der deutsche PNG Konsul war im Hotel auf "Besuch"Die Gespräche werden jetzt um 10 Uhr in grösserer Besetzung fortgesetzt,ab 11 ist dann auch die Presse eingeladen.Die HV beginnt dann heute Nachmittag um 14.00
Ohne Axel vorgreifen zu wollen kann man sagen dass es einen breiten Konsens zur Wiedereröffnung gibt.In den nächsten Wochen wird es wohl zu positiven Ereignissen kommen,sogar wenn nur 1/10 der gestern gemachten Vorschläge kurzfristig umgesetzt werden kann.Im heutigen PC deckt ein weiterer Artikel Kabuis Missmanagement auf.Der Wiederstand gegen ihn u. einen Teil des ABG wächst immer weiter. ;-))))
@joebo
Hättest du uns die Info zu deinem Töchterlein früher mitgeteilt,so hätten wir sie gerne mit nach POM eingeladen.Das wäre ein Live Anschauungsunterricht gewesen.Allerdings ist es natürlich viel einfacher zuhause vom Ohrensessel aus Theorien aufzustellen als von vor Ort zu agieren.
Hier eine Diskussion zu dem Interview:
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Vikki John wrote:
Her usual dribble...
I find it insulting, that Vikki pops in here about once a week.
Clearly shows that she has not kept up with any of the discussions,
never answers any challenges with real facts. An insult to the
intelligence of all present.
VJ: Axel Sturm is a joker!
Me: Oh really, Vikki, here is someone that is an astute investor with
a diverse portfolio, and yet remains an ethical investor, and in spite
of having an investment in a "flatlined stock" that he could have just
"dumped", he has shown an interest in the people and how continued
investment can benefit them, to the extent that he would travel half
way around the world to support that message.
I hope that Axel Sturm is considering, as am I, legal action against
you for Slander. I would have hoped that in an Academic environment
for teaching people the "law" you would have more awareness of it.
Perhaps you should sit in on Law 101 before you shoot your mouth off..
VJ: Not once does he admit the "years of unrest that cost many lives" had
anything to do with the corporate thuggery of BCL and Rio Tinto.
Me: And rightly so, Because that is not the facts, Vikki, it is a
figment of your deluded imagination.
Fact: John Momis in the lead up to an election hand-delivered a poorly
delivered and poorly researched ultimatum (the bougainville initiative
fund letter) demanding K12.6M for the Provincial Government (even
though he was campaigning for the National Government) In spite of the
fact that he was incumbent and would have been privy to all of the
appropriate information he chose to ignore the fact that BCL had
already forecast a contribution to the NSP of K16.4M for the
upcoming year. What's more, as an elected official of the government
at the time, he threatened violent action in that communique. That
would be ground for immediate dismissal from the government in most
countries.
He was given a clear response from BCL that a) it was inappropriate
for them to take a partisan involvement in his plan, b) that any
concerns would be addressed as they always were in the next upcoming
review of the bougainville copper agreement. and c) that BCL was doing
as much as was possible under the rules of Corporate accountability,
and various government legislation as it could to ensure maximum
contribution to the local people. While PNG NAtional GOvernment
legislation constrained this, BCL invested in NUmerous local
enterprises. Of course, this wasn't just them saying so, in 1973 a
study by W.D. Scott & Co, and again in 1974 a study "Worldwide
Information resources" found that there was significant benefit to the
community over and above the cash payment.
Of course, you could argue in your usual style that this was paid for
by BCL, but then in 1984, Leo Hannett as head of the NSPG engaged a
London firm of Economists who found that while the NSPG's cash benefit
was to be K16.4M in 1988 (sorry, I don't have the 84 figures handy),
there was a significant multiplier effect, in terms of supporting
industries etc.
Fact: IN spite of the fact that Momis knew (or should have) that his
Demand was politically, ethically and legally inappropriate, he chose
to tell the electorate that he was "going to win this". Of course,
when he found out that he was "wrong", and had made several errors in
judgement, he stayed quiet and hoped that it would go away. He was
dreadfully mistaken.
Fact: Francis Ona claimed to be the Representative of the LAnd Owners
- which was strange as the incumbent land owners representative a) had
been so for some 17 years prior, and Ona had no rights to any land
under the matrilineal system. In fact, another party to the demands
was Damien Damen, reknowned Cargo cultist, and who didn't even come
from Panguna, but from KOngara (still part of Nasioi). Oh,
incidentally, after Damen fought for the rights to "village life" -
guess where he is now - Squatting in one of the BCL Executive houses,
in Arawa, I am told.
There were over 800 separate land titles involved in the compensation
- did Ona have the mandate of each and every one of those people - I
don't think so....
Fact: Ona resorted to violence rather than negotiation. He stole
materials, he threatened peoples safety, he blew up equipment. He
refused to negotiate... repeatedly, for over a decade... I trained as
a PSychologist and as an Economist at UNiversity, and based on many
personal accounts from people that dealt with Ona, he would be classic
Bipolar. any where else, he would be medicated, or even
institutionalized... And amazingly, you lauded praises upon him in an
Obituary, yet you had never even met the man. What an amazing insight
you must have, Vikki. To see the charms and wonders of a greedy man
responsible for the social and economic destruction of his society,
and the deaths of thousands, and yet chastise those that actually do
constructive things... Amazing, indeed...
Fact: the military action on BOugainville came from the PNGDF, who
were inherently incompetent in what they did. If you claim that BCL
was involved in engaging and directing them. Show proof - real proof -
it doesn't exist. Because it never happened... (of course, the
competence of the PNGDF is reflected in Lieut Kauona, who declared
himself a general, sent hundreds of young bougainvilleans to their
deaths, and now lives the life of Luxury, on money that was intended
to compensate them...) I am sorry, just what is your definition of
"thug". My dictionary says...
thug |θəg|
noun
1 a violent person, esp. a criminal. [ORIGIN: mid 19th cent.:
extension of sense 2.]
VJ: And coming all the way from Europe to attend the BCL shareholders meeting to
express that "income from the giant Panguna mine can be an excellent funding
for good future of all Bougainvilleans" - he is living in fairy land!
Me: Living in Fairy land - I am sorry. So what is your alternate
proposal for funding development on Bougainville. Oh, that's right,
you don't have one... Never have, never will.... So, who is off with
the fairies...
VJ: The real drive is the want of money in his pockets and the same for his
fellow shareholders.
Me: Duh... Let me guess, vikki, you work at a UNiversity, because of
your passion to see knowledge developed, even though you don't
actually teach. So, in following your line of thought that all should
be totally altruistic. Are you willing to continue working at the
University pro-bono. I didn't think so. Hey you are in the law
faculty, aren't you. Do any of the professors in your faculty do
pro-bono work? I do. How can they afford to do that, umm, working on
paying jobs, investing in companies that they believe will return a
profit, being shareholders... There may be a better world where people
don't have to work or save or invest, but it ain't on this planet.
(Ask the citizens of the USSR, Cuba, China etc... They got sucked in
by the Socialist Myth - the only beneficiaries in a "Socialist
Society" are the corrupt Government Officials at the top. Go read
Orwell's Animal Farm.) Then start doing the translations - Bonaparte
"head pig" in Animal Farm.... Kabui.... Squealer to Kauona, Old Major
to Ona - there is an amazing sense of "Deja Vu".
Talking of fairy land, Vikki. If Panguna was to re-open - who exactly
would buy the trucks..., and the drills, and the shovels, and rebuild
the concentrator and the power stations, and the houses and the
hospitals, and the shops. WHo would pay for the training, and the
wages, and so on and so forth. Hmmm, the investors, and more
specifically their shareholders. Oh, and by the way, 20% or more of
those shareholders are already the people of PNG. So, Vikki, please
explain the difference between a government that willingly accepts a
accepts a gift of 20% of the shareholding of a company (and has held
on to them through thick and thin) and someone who spends his own
hardearned earnings to take a leap of faith on an investment half way
around the world.... ) I am sure that you have a dream that it could
work some other way, but wake up to the facts of the world....
VJ: Does he mention anything about the environmental clean up that
needs to take
place? NO.
Me:And he probably didn't talk about hundred of aspects. Your point
is.??? Of course, if you are talking about environment clean up,
you need to be specific...
Are you talking about the Jaba - then, if you had done any research,
you would be aware that BCL had on staff, over 30 scientists plus
numerous support staff. constantly working on analyzing water flows,
marine life, reforestation etc... etc... (and had been doing so, since
1969...)
You would also be aware that there was always an agreement that that
land would be used, and paid for, by BCL and rehabilitated. Of course,
there was an element, of having sold one's cake, but still wanting to
eat it...
If you listened rather than talking, you would be aware of the fact,
that when Ona did his hissy fit, BCL had already raised funding of
around K100M (and got national Government approval) for a deep ocean
outfall project, to take the silt coming down the Jaba, and run it way
out into the trench on the far side of Empress Augusta Bay, as well as
dredge the Jaba etc... A project, that Ona and Momis were aware of, as
well.
Of course, compare that to your boyfriend Ona, who blew things up,
burnt things to the ground (not only mining buildings, but homes and
shops and so on. People that broken open chemical containers where
they stood and let the contents drain away... I guess that doesn't
rate as environmental damage.
Or our good friend KAbui, who established (with Invincible Funding)
the gold smelter, smack bang in the centre of Arawa. Instead of buying
himself a bigger 4WD, or taking fewer overseas trips with the
Invincible blood money, he could have built a proper assay lab. But
no, this is out in the open. WHat does it do? Well it burns off the
Mercury that KAbui's advisors are selling to the villagers to extract
the gold (btw, that Mercury sells at 600% of the price that you could
buy it at anywhere else in the world, subject to all sorts of
MAterials handling constraints). That Mercury goes straight into the
air over Arawa, which, notably tends to regularly have atmospheric
inversions which stops the poison being spread out to sea. Not that
that makes a difference, because it is a cumulative poison, that
accumulates in the food chain, particularly fish - a Major part of the
local diet...
VJ: He is starting to mention "female land owners" - no doubt he will pay them
off to sell out Bougainville.
Me: Well, a) Sturm is a shareholder - he isn't going to be paying
anyone off. b) so are you arguing that Female Land Owners shouldn't
be adequately compensated... Make up your mind... Under BCL, 67% of
the REvenue from mining went to the PNG GOvernment, the NSP
Government, and Landowners... Under the INvincible Scheme, somewhere
like 6% em tasol is shared amongst the people of Bougainville. Of
Course, the Lion's share (70%) goes to invincible, and some of the
"rest" goes to the Major local investors, such as Sam Kauono. HOld
on, where did Sam Kauono, who once was in the PNGDF on a basic
Lieutenants salary, and has been "living off the land" for nearly two
decades, get money to invest. Well, he was given it by Invincible. Of
course, he said it was for his troops of ex combatants, but ask
them... They are already complaining because they haven't seen one red
toea of it... ANd guess what, they probably won't Kauona will have to
give it, back, but he is spending it as fast as possible...
VJ: He now wants "the land owners involved" - all talk no action I am afraid.
He is just trying to suck Bougainville dry for his own capital gains.
Me: Read the press, Vikki. The Landowners want dialogue with reputable
and known companies (like BCL/RIO). So do the MeekaMui, so do the
Council of Chiefs... So do most of the Bougainvilleans that I
communicate with on a regular basis...
VJ: If anyone is attending the BCL shareholders meeting in Port Moresby, do tell
Mr Axel Sturm he is barking up the wrong tree.
Me: Again, all talk, no action, vikki. You sit in your ivory tower in
Sydney, talking solidarity with your Bougainvillean brethren, but when
push comes to shove, the only thing that you give to them, is
Mauswara.
You slander people like Rae and Myself. Exactly what are you doing for
Bougainville? Right at the moment, I am working on half a dozen
Bougainville Projects. I am helping small businesses, with business
plans and marketing their services off shore. I am chasing computers
and books for schools up there. Working with a Bougainviillean
Software developer on building an online system for brokering requests
and offers of aid.... I am helping a group of villages, that have
effectively become a ghetto near Buka (near where the ABG have spent
millions on their own homes) with Simple Water supply and sanitation
problems. The requests keep coming in,, and I don't intend to say "No"
to anyone. All Pro Bono... And how about you, Vikki. Apart from
whining, you do what exactly....
It doesn't stop there... My wife and I are working with two separate
aboriginal groups here in Australia, and a Charity in Brazil. I meet
this afternoon with an Elder of one of the biggest tribal groups in
Irian Jaya (West Papua), to continue the advise I have been giving on
local sustainable development projects for them). THis month, I am
coordinating a "Doorknock" over several suburbs done by my Son's
School. Early next month, I will be organizing feeding several
thousand people as they come off the MS (Multiple Sclerosis)
Bike-athon Charity Ride. IN my spare time, I am putting a proposal
together at the request of a Fortune 50 company as to how they can
improve their own Charitable contributions. All Pro-Bono...
Rae, similarly is involved in several projects... We do it because we
care.... Not because we like to Bitch about things...
ANd you are doing, what?...... I can't hear you, Vikki, speak up....
sorry, I just getting static...
VJ: The people around the Panguna mine never want that mine open again.
Me: Keep up to date, girl - they do... They have said so. If you read
what other people said, and stopped chanting the "Bolshie Party line",
you would actually be surprised. The Landowners, the Chiefs, the
Meekamui, are all wanting to move forward. Almost Unanimously, they
realize that the "invincible arrangement" is a con that has been
perpetrated either by the incompetence, or the duplicity of so-called
"leaders" who have been raking off their own personal rewards while
their people suffer...
Peter