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"Jeder ist seines Silber`s Schmied " (minespec)
hmm, ich hab nur Euros und Franken
auch Kerzen können Kurse machen
kein Pre Markt heute ?
www.nasdaq.com/symbol/fnma/premarket
www.nasdaq.com/symbol/fnma/premarket
Bauernfeind, dafür habe ich volles Verständnis. Ist aber so, habe ich heute meinem Freund Minespec in einer BM erläutert. Kann wirklich ne' Million neu (nach erheblichem Steuerabzug von 26,375%) in Wertpapiere investieren, ... dank FNM / FRE mit Käufen zu dsl. 28 Eurocent. Habe jetzt neues Material im Anschlag - in einem Fall auch 500 k - an der Börse in Mailand - ; Minespec weiß jetzt schon was! Also, macht's gut, denn ich antworte auf BM's nur bei Personen, die ich schon länger aus Postings kenne. ... Ihr müsst das verstehen. Arbeite täglich hart 1 - 2 Stunden an diesen Dingen. Danach muss bereits (bestenfalls morgens) das Geschäft gemacht sein, sodass, wenn ZODIAC die Arbeit gemacht hat, man wieder im Pool verschwindet. Heute war TOP die TMUS, auch ja, das läuft ja noch durch!
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Pre market: keine kurse, anscheinend konnte auch keine finden...
....hört ihr die derzeitige stille um die zwillinge oder wenn nur wiedergekautes von vor wochen und von wenig anerkannten authoren...
.... das fnm preise für gute zusammenarbeit bekommt, eher familien beim hauskauf hilft statt großinvestoren...
...der bereich single family noch ausgebaut werden kann...
... ist es nicht so das der ami sein geld lieber in andere bereiche als in mortgage bereiche stecken will um die wirtschaft weiter voranzutreiben ...
... das private kapital derzeit und das private engangement seines gleichen sucht, auch in der historie und diese unterstützung im mortgage bereich nicht wieder abfallen darf...
Das die hedge funds nun dabei sind war m.m.n. eher contra denn das will der ami nicht wissen, nun bedarf es weiterer 3 -4 wochen weiterer positiver bereicht erstattung bis man mit gutem image rekapitalisieren wird und einen schrittweisen rückkauf der senior preffs erlaubt und sagen wir bespw. 5 weitere jahre einen super ROI einfahren kann, mit guter Presse für alle beteiligten,....
selbst der ami lacht in den yahoo foren,wenn er liest: fuck private capital or investors, to get in future more private capital ...
Der Ami könnte liquidieren, aber es würde weniger ertrag bringen als eine etwaige rückzahlung und um geld dreht es sich hier...
„Tene mensuram et respice finem!“
Halte Maß und bedenke das Ende!
und auch hier resoce finem...
Ja, aber das Ende ist nicht erkennbar... das ist ja das typische an der Wette.
Ja, aber das Ende ist nicht erkennbar... das ist ja das typische an der Wette.
"Jeder ist seines Silber`s Schmied " (minespec)
www.fanniemae.com/portal/about-us/media/...news/2013/5979.html
immer wieder ?
www.thestreet.com/story/11945628/1/...c=yahoo&cm_ven=YAHOO
www.thestreet.com/story/11945628/1/...c=yahoo&cm_ven=YAHOO
ist genauso wie beim letzten Anstieg!!!!! 8 us kommt :-)))))
ja würde mich auch darüber freuen, wie alle anderen auch, aber wie kommst du drauf?
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Fannie Mae Shareholders Challenge U.S. Takeover in Lawsuit
June 10 (Bloomberg) -- Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac shareholders sued the U.S., alleging that the 2008 takeover of the housing lending giants was illegal and cost investors billions of dollars.
The takeover of the mortgage companies by the Federal Housing Finance Agency “while beneficial to the economic welfare of the nation, destroyed the value of Fannie Mae’s and Freddie Mac’s common and preferred stock and trampled the private ownership rights” of shareholders, according to the complaint filed today in the U.S. Court of Federal Claims in Washington.
The shareholders filing the lawsuit seek $41 billion in damages.
Investors in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have taken a renewed interest in the companies’ future now that they have started posting record profits as the housing market rebounds. Fannie Mae had its best year ever in 2012, reporting net income of $17.2 billion for 2012, outpacing S&P 500 companies such as Wal-Mart Stores Inc., General Electric Co. and Berkshire Hathaway Inc., according to data compiled by Bloomberg.
Freddie Mac, the smaller of the two, reported earning $11 billion last year. Both have said they expect to remain profitable.
Share Increase
Investors are speculating that the companies might repay their debt to taxpayers and exit government control. In the past three months, investors have bid up the companies’ common stock eightfold to a recent peak of more than $5.
Preferred shares have more than tripled, peaking at more than $8. Fannie Mae’s common shares closed at $1.91 today. Preferred shares closed at $7.55.
An e-mail requesting comment from the U.S. Treasury Department, which determined the terms of the government’s financial agreements with Fannie and Freddie, wasn’t immediately returned.
The two companies, which package mortgages into securities on which they guarantee payments of principal and interest, were seized by regulators as they neared bankruptcy. They drew $187.5 billion in taxpayer aid to stay afloat.
The plaintiffs in the lawsuit allege that, leading up the government takeover, Fannie Mae’s and Freddie Mac’s “financial states did not warrant the imposition of conservatorships.”
Housing Recovery
“The companies’ willingness to continue providing liquidity to the mortgage markets on a large scale was crucial to the recovery to the recovery of the devastated home market and the broader economy,” lawyers for the plaintiffs wrote. “The government took control of the companies to make sure this happened on its terms, completely ignoring the lost of rights and economic value it caused to shareholders.”
Now that the firms are profitable, “it’s reasonable to expect” there will be more lawsuits like this, said Tim Rood, a former Fannie Mae executive who is now a managing director at Collingwood Group LLC, a financial services consulting firm based in Washington.
“The GSEs’ conservatorship is really the most unprecedented of unprecedented takeover events,” Rood said in a phone interview.
“It becomes increasingly difficult and indefensible to reconcile the fact that they have claims on all of the profits but don’t take any of the liabilities on balance sheet,” Rood said.
Under the terms of the conservatorship agreement, the liabilities of the two companies don’t appear on the government’s balance sheet.
Exiting Conservatorship
There is no provision for Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac to exit conservatorship under their current agreement with the Treasury.
Instead, the government takes all of their quarterly profits, which count as a return on the U.S. investment in the firms, and not as repayment of their debt.
That arrangement forces “Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to completely and fully transfer any remaining economic value from their shareholders to the Treasury, guaranteeing that the shareholders are left with nothing,” according to the complaint.
Hedge funds including Paulsen & Co. and Perry Capital, which have invested in the preferred shares, have been lobbying Congress to consider allowing Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to become independent again. Republican and Democratic lawmakers and President Barack Obama have called for both companies to be liquidated.
Plaintiffs in the case include Washington Federal, a Seattle bank, the city of Austin, Texas Police Retirement System and Michael McCredy Baker, who is identified as an individual shareholder.
Sampson Jordan, the chief executive officer for Austin’s $552 million Police Retirement System, didn’t immediately return a call seeking a comment.
The case is is Washington Federal v. U.S., 13-cv-00385, U.S. Court of Federal Claims (Washington).
Read more: www.sfgate.com/business/bloomberg/article/...php#ixzz2VrNJdjGb
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Fannie Mae Shareholders Challenge U.S. Takeover in Lawsuit
June 10 (Bloomberg) -- Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac shareholders sued the U.S., alleging that the 2008 takeover of the housing lending giants was illegal and cost investors billions of dollars.
The takeover of the mortgage companies by the Federal Housing Finance Agency “while beneficial to the economic welfare of the nation, destroyed the value of Fannie Mae’s and Freddie Mac’s common and preferred stock and trampled the private ownership rights” of shareholders, according to the complaint filed today in the U.S. Court of Federal Claims in Washington.
The shareholders filing the lawsuit seek $41 billion in damages.
Investors in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have taken a renewed interest in the companies’ future now that they have started posting record profits as the housing market rebounds. Fannie Mae had its best year ever in 2012, reporting net income of $17.2 billion for 2012, outpacing S&P 500 companies such as Wal-Mart Stores Inc., General Electric Co. and Berkshire Hathaway Inc., according to data compiled by Bloomberg.
Freddie Mac, the smaller of the two, reported earning $11 billion last year. Both have said they expect to remain profitable.
Share Increase
Investors are speculating that the companies might repay their debt to taxpayers and exit government control. In the past three months, investors have bid up the companies’ common stock eightfold to a recent peak of more than $5.
Preferred shares have more than tripled, peaking at more than $8. Fannie Mae’s common shares closed at $1.91 today. Preferred shares closed at $7.55.
An e-mail requesting comment from the U.S. Treasury Department, which determined the terms of the government’s financial agreements with Fannie and Freddie, wasn’t immediately returned.
The two companies, which package mortgages into securities on which they guarantee payments of principal and interest, were seized by regulators as they neared bankruptcy. They drew $187.5 billion in taxpayer aid to stay afloat.
The plaintiffs in the lawsuit allege that, leading up the government takeover, Fannie Mae’s and Freddie Mac’s “financial states did not warrant the imposition of conservatorships.”
Housing Recovery
“The companies’ willingness to continue providing liquidity to the mortgage markets on a large scale was crucial to the recovery to the recovery of the devastated home market and the broader economy,” lawyers for the plaintiffs wrote. “The government took control of the companies to make sure this happened on its terms, completely ignoring the lost of rights and economic value it caused to shareholders.”
Now that the firms are profitable, “it’s reasonable to expect” there will be more lawsuits like this, said Tim Rood, a former Fannie Mae executive who is now a managing director at Collingwood Group LLC, a financial services consulting firm based in Washington.
“The GSEs’ conservatorship is really the most unprecedented of unprecedented takeover events,” Rood said in a phone interview.
“It becomes increasingly difficult and indefensible to reconcile the fact that they have claims on all of the profits but don’t take any of the liabilities on balance sheet,” Rood said.
Under the terms of the conservatorship agreement, the liabilities of the two companies don’t appear on the government’s balance sheet.
Exiting Conservatorship
There is no provision for Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac to exit conservatorship under their current agreement with the Treasury.
Instead, the government takes all of their quarterly profits, which count as a return on the U.S. investment in the firms, and not as repayment of their debt.
That arrangement forces “Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to completely and fully transfer any remaining economic value from their shareholders to the Treasury, guaranteeing that the shareholders are left with nothing,” according to the complaint.
Hedge funds including Paulsen & Co. and Perry Capital, which have invested in the preferred shares, have been lobbying Congress to consider allowing Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to become independent again. Republican and Democratic lawmakers and President Barack Obama have called for both companies to be liquidated.
Plaintiffs in the case include Washington Federal, a Seattle bank, the city of Austin, Texas Police Retirement System and Michael McCredy Baker, who is identified as an individual shareholder.
Sampson Jordan, the chief executive officer for Austin’s $552 million Police Retirement System, didn’t immediately return a call seeking a comment.
The case is is Washington Federal v. U.S., 13-cv-00385, U.S. Court of Federal Claims (Washington).
Read more: www.sfgate.com/business/bloomberg/article/...php#ixzz2VrNJdjGb
"Jeder ist seines Silber`s Schmied " (minespec)
den haben`s nicht auf der Rechnung, mehr zu erfahren in den Yahoo boards.
"Jeder ist seines Silber`s Schmied " (minespec)
Wochen-W-Bewegung mal voll daneben gegriffen habe, halte ich mich zwar mit meinen Gedanken in Zukunft zurück.
Aber einen gibt's mit auf den Weg: Ich gehe von einer zeitweisen Erholung über 2,50 US$ aus. ;)
Aber einen gibt's mit auf den Weg: Ich gehe von einer zeitweisen Erholung über 2,50 US$ aus. ;)
auch Kerzen können Kurse machen
wie gesagt es gibt ökonomisch und ag-rechtlich nur diese Lösungen ernsthaft in betracht zu ziehen...
http://seekingalpha.com/article/...ie-mae-and-freddie-mac?source=feed
sonst wird im kollektiv von reichen jungs geklagt.....
http://www.bloomberg.com/news//2013-06-10/...lenges-u-s-takeover.html
silverjohn du alter nachtfuchs, wollte gestern nacht nachlegen und die news erst später des tages heute posten, als ich s gesehen hab das du es online gestellt hast schon vor handelsbeginn, hab ich mir schon fast sorgen gemacht nochmal nachlegen zu können ohne overshoot einpreisung :D,
Mein Tip: ohne weitere news bis 14.30 uhr gehts heut bis min. 2,70 usd m.m.n.....
jao may da regt si scho wat :D.... PS: Wetten ist bei Fußball ....an der börse gehts mehr um wirtschaft und psychologie ....
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