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den geordert TB1T4T2 etwas hevy aber mal schauen ....
aber wenn der Markt sehr schnell ist, so wie derzeit, dann kann man nicht immer Einstiege etc posten. dann muss ich natürlich auf mein Depot achten...
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dax schon bei 6030, S/L auf einstieg nachgezogen.
an die 6040 laufen. drüber sollte b und c folgen, drunter wirds bunter.
kannst du schon sagen, ob wir uns in der gegenbewegung befinden könnten. wir hatten ja ein neues tief und eine fünf kann ja abbrechen. vielleicht kannst du ja später charttechnisch das ganze aufbereiten? wäre super und danke.
strebig erreicht, für mich liegt damit der Verdacht nahe, daß zunächt ums knocken ging
ich vor allzu leichtfertigem Nachtraden ohne die erforderliche Erfahrung. Das wird mit Sicherheit ein teurer Spass...
und schon läuft das Tier gegen Süden. Puh, mein long muß sich jetzt erst mal wieder erholen. @AS gehst Du jetzt von steigenden Kursen aus?
das sollte sich eigentlich von alleine verstehen. ich halte es allerdings auch für hilfreich, wenn andere scheine angeben, da dies hilfreich bei der suche nach den besten produkten sein kann. S/L's muß jeder für sich selber entscheiden. ich z. b. arbeite fast ausschließlich mit gehedgten positionen. lediglich wenn supports/widerstände wie eben erreicht werden, lege ich mir scheine ins depot, die per S/L abgesichert werden. wie aber auch marc gestern schon sagte: money management ist alles. nie mehr als 1-1,5% des gesamtdepots bei einem trade riskieren. ansonsten können mehrere verlusttrades nicht mehr kompensiert werden.
durschnittl. EK nun 0,38 ink. - SL bei 0,28/0,3 angepeilt. Wollte ich aber eigentlich nicht von Gebrauch machen :)
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ignorance is bliss
möchte ich mich bedanken, aber jeder muss selbst wissen, welches Risiko er/sie eingehen will, Ein- und Ausstieg hängen sehr vom zeitlichen Rahmen eines Trades ab und davon, wie eng z.B. die Finanzinstrumente gewählt wurden. Nur meine Meinung.
SEC Subpoenas Wall Street in Hunt for `Manipulators' (Update1)
By David Scheer
July 16 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission subpoenaed Wall Street's biggest firms and hedge-fund advisers in a widening effort to crack down on suspected manipulation of Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. and Bear Stearns Cos. shares, said three people with knowledge of the matter.
The SEC's enforcement unit demanded information from investment banks including Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Deutsche Bank AG and Merrill Lynch & Co., according to two of the people, who declined to be identified because the inquiries aren't public. The Washington-based regulator is seeking trading records and e- mails, one of them said.
The subpoenas mark a new front in the broadest U.S. investigation of Wall Street trading since state and federal regulators targeted mutual-fund abuses in 2003. The SEC issued an emergency order yesterday curtailing short selling in financial stocks, including Lehman and mortgage-finance companies Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. The agency also is examining whether securities firms have adequate controls to thwart misconduct.
``The SEC is trying to determine whether there was illegal manipulation of market prices, and that is far easier to do if you have a broad sweep,'' said Tamar Frankel, a law professor at Boston University.
SEC Chairman Christopher Cox, 55, told the Senate Banking Committee yesterday the agency is investigating whether illegal trading contributed to the collapse of Bear Stearns in March and the 80 percent drop in the market value of Lehman Brothers this year. The probe focuses on traders who seek to profit by intentionally spreading false information about the New York- based firms.
SAC, Citadel
SEC spokesman John Nester declined to comment on the subpoenas, as did Deutsche Bank spokesman Ted Meyer, Goldman spokeswoman Andrea Raphael and Merrill spokesman Mark Herr. It is Merrill's policy to cooperate with regulators, Herr said.
Former Bear Stearns Chief Executive Officer Alan Schwartz and Richard Fuld, the head of Lehman, have contacted Goldman CEO Lloyd Blankfein, asking whether Goldman traders spread misleading information about the firms, the Wall Street Journal reported today, citing people familiar with the matter. Goldman spokesman Lucas van Praag told the Journal that the New York-based firm was ``supportive'' of Bear Stearns, ``rigorous about conducting business as usual'' and wasn't involved in wrongdoing.
More than 50 hedge fund firms including SAC Capital Advisors LLC and Citadel Investment Group LLC also received subpoenas from the SEC, people with knowledge of the situation said. The Wall Street Journal reported the requests to hedge funds yesterday.
Bear's Downfall
Most of the subpoenas were sent last week, and some recipients are being asked for information relating only to Lehman or Bear Stearns, a person familiar with them said.
The SEC won't limit its focus to individual investors, and will likely sift for ``communications that would suggest traders got together and coordinated efforts for a particular security,'' said Barry Barbash, a partner at Willkie Farr & Gallagher LLP in Washington who previously headed the agency's division of investment management.
Regulators began their probes in March as Bear Stearns's stock plunged on speculation it lacked adequate cash to operate. The drop spurred clients to pull business and forced the firm's sale to New York-based JPMorgan Chase & Co. on March 16.
Lehman has struggled since then to quash concerns that have helped push down its stock 78 percent this year. On June 3, the company denied it had borrowed from the Federal Reserve and said cash holdings increased during the quarter. Last week, two of its biggest clients, SAC Capital and bond-fund manager Pacific Investment Management Co., denied they were pulling business.
Naked Shorts
Cox told officials at the Federal Reserve and U.S. Treasury over the weekend that the agency is stepping up efforts to curb market speculation, a person with knowledge of the talks said.
The agency's inspections unit announced plans July 13 to cooperate with the Financial Industry Regulatory Authority and the New York Stock Exchange's regulatory arm to check whether firms have controls to prevent the intentional spread of misinformation.
Cox yesterday told lawmakers the agency will require traders to obtain shares of brokerages, Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae before betting their shares will fall. The temporary order, to take effect July 21, will bar so-called naked short-selling, in which traders avoid the financial cost of borrowing stocks.
The order requires anyone making a short sale to first ``borrow or arrange to borrow'' the securities and then deliver them by the settlement date. It applies to shares in 19 companies, including Citigroup Inc., JPMorgan and UBS AG.
`Home to Roost'
In traditional short selling, traders borrow stock through a broker and hope to profit by selling shares at a higher price and later buying them back at lower prices to repay the loan. Naked short sellers do the same thing, with one difference: They don't borrow any shares, which means they can drive down prices by flooding the market with orders to sell shares they don't have.
Freddie Mac fell 26 percent yesterday to $5.26 in New York Stock Exchange composite trading. Fannie Mae tumbled 27 percent. Lehman rose 82 cents, or 6.6 percent, to $13.22, ending a four- day slide.
``Small public companies have been complaining for years about the abuses of naked and illegal short selling,'' said Roel Campos, a former SEC commissioner now at Cooley Godward Kronish in Washington, in an e-mailed response to questions. ``The new attention by regulators has occurred when those naked-short chickens came home to roost with Bear Stearns and now Lehman.''
The SEC's move drew objections from Friedman Billings Ramsey & Co. analyst Paul Miller, who has an ``underperform'' rating on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Miller said the SEC's crackdown on investors shorting their stock ``stinks of favoritism.''
Alliance Data Case
``This whole administration is trying to jawbone the stock market up,'' Miller said. ``Everybody thinks this is short selling and it's not. It's a fundamental shift in how investors look at these companies.''
The SEC has sanctioned one person so far for alleged stock manipulation stemming from the credit crisis. A former Schottenfeld Group LLC trader settled claims in April that he spread rumors on Nov. 29 that Blackstone Group LP was lowering a takeover bid for Alliance Data Systems Corp. Alliance Data shares plunged 17 percent in half an hour that day.
``More of these cases have to be brought,'' Cox said in his Congressional testimony.
Historically, ``it has been difficult to parse where rumors start and where they are being spread,'' Cox said. Now, technology is ``permitting us to trace back through e-mails and instant messages to the very individuals who have manufactured intentionally false information,'' he said.
To contact the reporter on this story: David Scheer in New York at dscheer@bloomberg.net.
Last Updated: July 16, 2008 03:17 EDT
By David Scheer
July 16 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission subpoenaed Wall Street's biggest firms and hedge-fund advisers in a widening effort to crack down on suspected manipulation of Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. and Bear Stearns Cos. shares, said three people with knowledge of the matter.
The SEC's enforcement unit demanded information from investment banks including Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Deutsche Bank AG and Merrill Lynch & Co., according to two of the people, who declined to be identified because the inquiries aren't public. The Washington-based regulator is seeking trading records and e- mails, one of them said.
The subpoenas mark a new front in the broadest U.S. investigation of Wall Street trading since state and federal regulators targeted mutual-fund abuses in 2003. The SEC issued an emergency order yesterday curtailing short selling in financial stocks, including Lehman and mortgage-finance companies Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. The agency also is examining whether securities firms have adequate controls to thwart misconduct.
``The SEC is trying to determine whether there was illegal manipulation of market prices, and that is far easier to do if you have a broad sweep,'' said Tamar Frankel, a law professor at Boston University.
SEC Chairman Christopher Cox, 55, told the Senate Banking Committee yesterday the agency is investigating whether illegal trading contributed to the collapse of Bear Stearns in March and the 80 percent drop in the market value of Lehman Brothers this year. The probe focuses on traders who seek to profit by intentionally spreading false information about the New York- based firms.
SAC, Citadel
SEC spokesman John Nester declined to comment on the subpoenas, as did Deutsche Bank spokesman Ted Meyer, Goldman spokeswoman Andrea Raphael and Merrill spokesman Mark Herr. It is Merrill's policy to cooperate with regulators, Herr said.
Former Bear Stearns Chief Executive Officer Alan Schwartz and Richard Fuld, the head of Lehman, have contacted Goldman CEO Lloyd Blankfein, asking whether Goldman traders spread misleading information about the firms, the Wall Street Journal reported today, citing people familiar with the matter. Goldman spokesman Lucas van Praag told the Journal that the New York-based firm was ``supportive'' of Bear Stearns, ``rigorous about conducting business as usual'' and wasn't involved in wrongdoing.
More than 50 hedge fund firms including SAC Capital Advisors LLC and Citadel Investment Group LLC also received subpoenas from the SEC, people with knowledge of the situation said. The Wall Street Journal reported the requests to hedge funds yesterday.
Bear's Downfall
Most of the subpoenas were sent last week, and some recipients are being asked for information relating only to Lehman or Bear Stearns, a person familiar with them said.
The SEC won't limit its focus to individual investors, and will likely sift for ``communications that would suggest traders got together and coordinated efforts for a particular security,'' said Barry Barbash, a partner at Willkie Farr & Gallagher LLP in Washington who previously headed the agency's division of investment management.
Regulators began their probes in March as Bear Stearns's stock plunged on speculation it lacked adequate cash to operate. The drop spurred clients to pull business and forced the firm's sale to New York-based JPMorgan Chase & Co. on March 16.
Lehman has struggled since then to quash concerns that have helped push down its stock 78 percent this year. On June 3, the company denied it had borrowed from the Federal Reserve and said cash holdings increased during the quarter. Last week, two of its biggest clients, SAC Capital and bond-fund manager Pacific Investment Management Co., denied they were pulling business.
Naked Shorts
Cox told officials at the Federal Reserve and U.S. Treasury over the weekend that the agency is stepping up efforts to curb market speculation, a person with knowledge of the talks said.
The agency's inspections unit announced plans July 13 to cooperate with the Financial Industry Regulatory Authority and the New York Stock Exchange's regulatory arm to check whether firms have controls to prevent the intentional spread of misinformation.
Cox yesterday told lawmakers the agency will require traders to obtain shares of brokerages, Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae before betting their shares will fall. The temporary order, to take effect July 21, will bar so-called naked short-selling, in which traders avoid the financial cost of borrowing stocks.
The order requires anyone making a short sale to first ``borrow or arrange to borrow'' the securities and then deliver them by the settlement date. It applies to shares in 19 companies, including Citigroup Inc., JPMorgan and UBS AG.
`Home to Roost'
In traditional short selling, traders borrow stock through a broker and hope to profit by selling shares at a higher price and later buying them back at lower prices to repay the loan. Naked short sellers do the same thing, with one difference: They don't borrow any shares, which means they can drive down prices by flooding the market with orders to sell shares they don't have.
Freddie Mac fell 26 percent yesterday to $5.26 in New York Stock Exchange composite trading. Fannie Mae tumbled 27 percent. Lehman rose 82 cents, or 6.6 percent, to $13.22, ending a four- day slide.
``Small public companies have been complaining for years about the abuses of naked and illegal short selling,'' said Roel Campos, a former SEC commissioner now at Cooley Godward Kronish in Washington, in an e-mailed response to questions. ``The new attention by regulators has occurred when those naked-short chickens came home to roost with Bear Stearns and now Lehman.''
The SEC's move drew objections from Friedman Billings Ramsey & Co. analyst Paul Miller, who has an ``underperform'' rating on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Miller said the SEC's crackdown on investors shorting their stock ``stinks of favoritism.''
Alliance Data Case
``This whole administration is trying to jawbone the stock market up,'' Miller said. ``Everybody thinks this is short selling and it's not. It's a fundamental shift in how investors look at these companies.''
The SEC has sanctioned one person so far for alleged stock manipulation stemming from the credit crisis. A former Schottenfeld Group LLC trader settled claims in April that he spread rumors on Nov. 29 that Blackstone Group LP was lowering a takeover bid for Alliance Data Systems Corp. Alliance Data shares plunged 17 percent in half an hour that day.
``More of these cases have to be brought,'' Cox said in his Congressional testimony.
Historically, ``it has been difficult to parse where rumors start and where they are being spread,'' Cox said. Now, technology is ``permitting us to trace back through e-mails and instant messages to the very individuals who have manufactured intentionally false information,'' he said.
To contact the reporter on this story: David Scheer in New York at dscheer@bloomberg.net.
Last Updated: July 16, 2008 03:17 EDT
es gibt bisher nur im ganz kurzfristigen Chart ein kleines Kaufsignal
heit?) sehr schmerzhafte Verluste einstecken müssen, die ich mir eigentlich nicht leisten konnte. Eine massgebliche Rolle spielte auch das Gefühl, "schlauer" als die anderen zu sein. Ich denke, ein solcher Hinweis kann anderen helfen, diese Fehler nicht zu machen.
pro Trade nicht mehr als 10 bis 15% des zur Verfügung stehenden Kapitals einsetzen und den SL entsprechend wählen bei 10% Verlust zum Beispiel. Somit riskiert man dann 1 bis 1.5% des Depotwertes. Gewinne laufen lassen, Verluste minimieren und somit ein ausgewogenes Cash-Risk-Management tätigen. Wichtig dabei ist, aber auch Verluste zu realisieren und NICHT hoffen, dass alles bald wieder drehen wird...
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ich glaube es nicht, das wär zu einfach.
An einen produktiven Arbeiter hängen sich heute über vier Parasiten!(Kritiker)
ist es laut Markttechnik nicht so das wir im Daily bis jetzt immer tiefere Tiefs und tiefere Hochs gesehen haben und der Markt nach einer Gegenbewegung bis ca. 6060 /6070 wieder drehen könnte auf ein neues Tief ??
dass ich im 1 Quartal aus meinen Indien-,Europa-, China-, USA- und Australienfonds ausgestiegen bin und das mit 18% Verlust.
Wenn ich drinn geblieben wäre, dann hätte ich jetzt nurnoch 38% von meinem Kapital.
Nicht weinen Harcoon, die Masse ist gebeutelt, ich auch.
Gruß abhier
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