Abdul Haq or es sieht nicht gut aus in Afghanistan


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Abdul Haq or es sieht nicht gut aus in Afghanistan

 
28.10.01 22:51
der detaillierte Bericht über das traurige Ende des Kriegshelden Abdul Haq
www.observer.co.uk/afghanistan/story/0,1501,582247,00.html
inclusive Hilferufen,Einkesselung in einer Schlucht,augehängt oder erschossen?...

Haq was well known locally. When, last month, he arrived back from Dubai, where he had been in exile for nearly a decade, he seemed the ideal candidate to lead an opposition alliance into Afghanistan to oust the ruling Taliban.
He had three things going for him: his reputation as a brave and effective warrior against the Russians was intact, he was known to have eschewed the vicious internecine conflict of the immediate post-Soviet years and, most importantly, he was from the same Pashtun tribes who had provided the bulk of the support for the Taliban. It was widely felt that if anybody could unseat them in their strongholds, he was the man.
Senior US officials now agree with British assessments, previously scorned, that the war 'might take years'. Donald Rumsfeld, the American Defence Secretary, even admitted that the US might 'never get bin Laden'. And as the military flounder, the diplomats sweat.
The death of Abdul Haq, a portly, avuncular and popular 43-year-old, could not have come at a worse moment.

In einem Interview,das erst jetzt veröffentlicht werden soll,äusserte Haq Kritik an den USA und verwies darauf,dass erst die Amerikaner die Araber nach Afghanistan gebracht haben und 10-15 Kampfgruppen gründeten.Als das kommunistische System kollabierte sind die Amerikaner gegangen und haben uns den Schiet dagelassen.Haq war unstrittig gegen die Bombardemants.Er sagte,dass Washington nur die Öffentlichkeit zufrieden stellen wollte...

Haq had also kept a distance from the Northern Alliance: "The US brought the Arabs to Pakistan and Afghanistan... Gave them money, training, and created 10 or 15 different fighting groups. The US and Pakistan worked together," he had said.
"The minute the pro-Communist regime collapsed, the Americans walked away - and didn't even clean up their shit. They brought this problem to Afghanistan."
Haq said he tried to convince US leaders not to bomb Afghanistan and give him time to undermine the Taliban regime.
"We could've had a solution," he said. "But Washington went ahead to satisfy the American public. And Afghanistan has to lose hundreds of lives. Afghan blood is cheaper than anything."
www.hindustantimes.com/nonfram/281001/dLAME06.asp

Tausende von Pakistanis auf dem Weg in den Heiligen Krieg
Hunderte von britischen Muslims auf dem Weg nach Afghanistan
Imame in Deutschland rufen Freiwillige auf für Afghanistan:

THOUSANDS of Pakistani warriors armed with automatic weapons, axes and swords headed for the Afghan border yesterday to join forces with the Taliban regime shielding Osama Bin Laden.
Between 5,000 and 10,000 were reported to be travelling in a convoy of trucks, buses and vans on the northwest frontier. They vowed to fight a holy war against the United States.
Last night hundreds were massing in the mountains on the Afghan border, carrying everything from rocket launchers to pickaxes.
The organisers claimed similar-sized groups were camped around towns, ready to join them today. There were reports, however, that Pakistani authorities were trying to prevent them crossing into Afghanistan.
Mullah Mohammed Omar, the Taliban leader, had appealed for tribes in border provinces to provide men to help him resist American-led attacks. The fighters, urged on by clerics, plan to join Taliban forces, who are thought to number about 40,000. Their ranks are being swollen by Islamic fundamentalists from many countries, including Britain.
Already thousands of Afghans have been conscripted into the army to fight the rebel Northern Alliance and prepare for attacks by US and British troops. Volunteers brandishing Kalashnikovs and shotguns said they considered themselves lucky to go to Afghanistan and face a martyr's death.
"Everybody should be ready to sacrifice their lives," said Mohammed Khaled, a leader of the newly formed force.


The news comes amid reports of thousands of Pakistani fighters heading for the border with Afghanistan to join 'jihad brigades'. Unconfirmed reports from British groups in Pakistan say that hundreds of young British Muslims have flown out to the country since 11 September.
The British group were all associated with the controversial organisation al-Muhajiroun (the emigrants), which is known to recruit among young British Muslims. The news that the first British deaths in the conflict were on the Taliban side will lead to renewed calls to outlaw the group in this country. The British-based leader of al-Muhajiroun, Omar Bakri Mohamed, last night refused to comment on the deaths, but representatives in Pakistan confirmed that the men were missing in action and considered as martyrs in the war in Afghanistan.
www.observer.co.uk/afghanistan/story/0,1501,582322,00.html

German Imams have called for Muslims to take part in a jihad or holy war on the side of the Taliban forces in Afghanistan according to a report in the weekly Focus magazine due to be published on Monday.
The magazine says such calls have been made in mosques in Hamburg, Bremen, Frankfurt and Cologne.
It quotes an unnamed police source from a unit set up to coordinate the fight against Islamic terrorists as saying: "We are sure that several mosques are trying to recruit fighters for Afghanistan."
www.hindustantimes.com/nonfram/281001/dLAME101.asp

War against Taliban going badly: US officials PTI
(Washington, October 28)
The US war against terrorist mastermind Osama bin Laden and the Taliban is currently going badly, American officials have said.
The US had suffered a week of setbacks, followed by the capture and execution of powerful Afghan opposition leader Abdul Haq, which "tested US patience and its plan of attack," the Washington Post quoted them as saying.
"Despite 20 days of punishing airstrikes, the US military has yet to really engage the Taliban," it quoted administration officials as saying.
"As the campaign enters its fourth week, with the Muslim holy month of Ramzan and winter fast approaching, the Bush Administraton has begun to hunker down and admit to itself what it has repeatedly insisted in public -- that the war against the Taliban and the terrorists it shelters will be neither short nor easy," the report said.
"We are kind of like wrestlers, with totally different styles," said one official referring to the US and the Taliban militia. "We are still trying to figure out whether leverage point is on these guys. We haven't found it yet"
The Post said that time may not be on the Administration's side, "especially as key Muslim allies in the anti-terrorism war, most notably Pakistan and Egypt, begin to demonstrate open impatience with the pace and results of the campaign."
www.hindustantimes.com/nonfram/281001/dlame26.asp


In Grossbrittannien regen sich ernste Zweifel an den Erfolgen im Krieg,man ist entsetzt,dass der Krieg wohl 4 Jahre dauern kann
The emergence of the Pakistani "jihad brigade" coincided with evidence that the British government is concerned over the progress of the war against terrorism.
Tony Blair sought yesterday to restore confidence 48 hours after admitting to the cabinet that it was not going well.
Blair and senior ministers were said to be aghast that Admiral Sir Michael Boyce, the chief of the defence staff, had indicated that the war could last for four years.
Tension over the next phase of the war has been heightened by the execution of Abdul Haq, a prominent Afghan opposition leader captured by the Taliban, and by the failure of the Northern Alliance to make any significant military gain.
The Taliban were keen to exploit the impression that their opponents were in disarray. "Haq's fate is the biggest political setback for America," said Mullah Rehmatullah Kakazada, their consul-general in Karachi. "They have attacked mosques, Red Cross offices, schools and hospitals. They have miserably failed."
www.sunday-times.co.uk/

vielleicht sollte ich darauf hinweisen,dass es sich um heutige Berichte von International anerkannten Zeitungen handelt,die keineswegs dem linken Spektrum zuzurechnen sind , also auch Meldungen,die erst morgen hier in den Medien auftauchen(oder eben nicht!)
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schmuggler:

Danke Kicky

 
28.10.01 23:15
Gute Infos, aber deine englischen Texte treiben einem die Schweißperlen.  
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Levke:

auf die Stirn ? o.T.

 
28.10.01 23:17
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schmuggler:

Na im Genitalbereich passiert da nichts! o.T.

 
28.10.01 23:19
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antoinette:

und der nächste kicky-thread

 
28.10.01 23:25
komm mal in die usa, die erzählen dir was anderes
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schmuggler:

Antoinette

 
28.10.01 23:32
Hahaha - Der amerikanische Bürger wird eben kurz gehalten bei solchen Infos. Pressefreiheit auf amerikanisch! Und wenn die Sender nicht mitspielen gibt´s richtig Ärger und wer will schon seinen Job verlieren.  
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Kicky:

zu Tausenden strömen sie nach Afghanistan

 
29.10.01 13:18
bewaffnet mit alten Gewehren,Raketen,Schwertern und Äxten,von der Muskete aus dem 19.Jahrhundert bis modernen Maschinengewehren

Pakistani fighters flood into Afghanistan
By Philip Smucker in Peshawar
(Filed: 29/10/2001)
THOUSANDS of Pakistanis wielding guns, rockets, swords and axes streamed across the Afghan border yesterday pledging to fight against America.
Young and old, fit and lame, they carried a dizzying array of arms from 19th-century muskets to modern machineguns.
They collected in the town square of Lagharay in the Bajaur tribal area, about four miles from the border, to hear religious speakers exhort them to do their duty for Islam. "We must protect our brother Muslims," said one. "This is the first of the Muslim armies."
As Atta Ullah, 20, a Pakistani college student, leapt up on a truck heading for Afghanistan, clutching his father's ageing machine-gun, he said: "I'm not going to wait until the British and American ground forces arrive to start killing kaffirs [infidels] to defend my Afghan brothers.
"Pakistan has tried to stop us, but they can't and so now we are going to teach a lesson to the Western infidels," said Mohammad Zahid, 25, who has helped recruit fresh fighters for the Taliban. "We have so many fighters and guns that we don't know what to do with them all," he said.
news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?
xml=/news/2001/10/29/war29.xml&sSheet=/news/2001/10/29/ixhome.html

Die pakistanischen Sicherheitsbehörden versuchten gestern ,Tausende,die über die Grenze wollten,aufzuhalten.Am Sonnabend waren es ca 5000,10000 haben sich mit 300 Lastwagen an der Nordgrenze versammelt nahe Peshawar

Pakistani security forces were yesterday struggling to prevent thousands of armed militants, backed by pro-Taliban religious groups in Pakistan, from crossing the northern border into Afghanistan.
As many as 5,000 militants were reported to have crossed on Saturday before Pakistani authorities managed to turn back several hundred others. Up to 10,000 more, travelling in a convoy of 300 vehicles, were gathered near Ghaki Pass, a remote border checkpoint north of Peshawar.
Pakistani reporters in the area said the ethnic Pashtun militants were armed with rifles, grenade launchers and a number of short-range missiles, some of the weaponry stockpiled since the US-backed war against the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan in the 1980s.
www.smh.com.au/news/0110/29/world/world1.html
Ausländer dürfen hier nicht hin.Die Behörden erzählten reuters,dass ein Saudi namens Musa bin Mazan bin Salman Al Sufi festgehalten wurde,der Freiwillige rekrutiert haben soll

Foreigners are barred from the semi-autonomous tribal areas where the armed men are waiting for the outcome of talks between their clerics and the Taliban about whether they are needed.
Authorities in the area told Reuters they had detained a Saudi national,Musa bin Mazan bin Salman Al Sufi  , on suspicion he might have been trying to recruit fighters.
"We have one Saudi national and that is his name," said a spokesman for the Khyber Agency political office. "It is an investigation and no other details can be given".
Volunteers at the rally in Peshawar appeared confused about what they were signing up for.
"I am going to fight against the Northern Alliance," said Javed Manzoor, a teenager who said he had already learnt to shoot by playing computer games.
"I have the highest score among my friends. My skills will be needed," he said, as he added his name to a ledger containing a list of around 200 volunteers.
Another tougher-looking young man said he expected to fight against U.S. soldiers if Washington puts ground troops into Afghanistan.
"They don't know the country and we will fix them there," he said.
news.ft.com/ft/gx.cgi/...C&live=true&tagid=IXLI0L9Z1BC&reutr=1

Die englische Regierung hat durch Mr.Straw angedeutet,dass es Überlegungen gibt,die Bombardierungen während des Ramadan nach dem 17.November einzustellen.Der Admiral Sir Michael Boyce, Chief of Defence Staff,verglich den Krieg mit dem Kalten Krieg und meinte er könne sich in das Neue Jahr hineinziehen...

THE Government signalled that it was reconsidering whether to continue bombing Afghanistan during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, amid growing concern that the Allies were losing the propaganda battle.
Tony Blair and Jack Straw, the Foreign Secretary, launched a concerted effort to shore up domestic and international opinion after what was generally acknowledged to have been the worst weekend of the conflict.
As US bombers helped the anti-Taliban Northern Alliance open another front in north-east Afghanistan, with the aim of capturing the town of Mazar-i-Sharif, Mr Straw conceded for the first time that the Government was looking at the possibility of halting the bombing raids during Ramadan.
The Muslim holy month of fasting, which starts on November 17, is a time of heightened Islamic passion. Interviewed on BBC1's Breakfast with Frost, Mr Straw said that although the history of warfare in Islamic countries showed there had not been pauses during Ramadan: "We are thinking about this very carefully."
He also said of the bombing: "This kind of military action may last indefinitely." At the end of last week, Admiral Sir Michael Boyce, Chief of Defence Staff, compared it to the 50-year Cold War, while Geoff Hoon, Defence Secretary, said that it might drag on into the New Year.
Mr Straw's comments about Ramadan indicated a significant softening in the Government response to calls for a pause.

news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/...10/29/ixhome.html
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schmuggler:

Die Amis steuern auf ein neues Vietnam zu o.T.

 
29.10.01 13:20
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cap blaubär:

ohne Nachschub in den Bergen bei nem 1/2J Winter

 
29.10.01 13:35
datt kannste vergessen und "Freiwillige"könne eh nur zum Flachtreten von Gehwegen eingesetzt werden,soll heißen die Zeit arbeitet für die Amis,nur was den PR Krieg angeht......
blaubärgrüsse  
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schmuggler:

Cap

 
29.10.01 13:38
Vielleicht bringen die ja was zum Knabbern mit
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furby:

Cap: so ähnlich sehe ich das auch

 
29.10.01 13:51
ein ehemaliger britischer SAS Mann der die Afgahnen noch einst gegen die Sowjets ausbildete schlug als Strategie für die USA vor:

-keine Bodentruppen
-gelegentlich ein paar Bomben aus der Luft zur Aufrechterhaltung des Bedrohungpotentials
-aufmerksam Satellitenbilder auswerten, wer im Winter aus seinen Höhlen raus kommt.

Hintergrund ist der, das wohl kaum ein Gefängnis schlechtere Bedingungen bieten würde wie eine kalte, stinkte Höhle in den Bergen Afgahnistans im Winter.

Es würde wohl zudem den weltweiten Zulauf von unterstützenden Fundamental-Islamisten bremsen, wenn die USA Ihre kriegerischen Aktivitäten im Winter auf ein Minimum reduzierten. Dazu bedarf es jedoch die Einsicht der USA, daß weniger machmal mehr ist und daß eine konstant hohe militärische Bedrohung wie derzeit zunehmend Ihre Bedrohlichkeit verliert, wenn Steinruinen und Straßen und immer wieder versehntlich Zivilisten bebomt werden.

Gruß furby

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cap blaubär:

mit nem IR-Bildchen ausm Orbit iss Jeder geliefert

 
29.10.01 13:59
der mit ner Nougattorte übers Gebirge Läuft und wenn dann auch noch der Kaffe+die Sahne fürs Kränzchen knapp wird schlägt die Stimmung um(an den Apache Helicopter sind eigens Greifer für den Nougattortenklau angebracht worden,erste versuche mit Käsesahne sollen auch erfolgversprechend sein)
Tja und wenn die Anreiner mit Kohle bei Laune gehalten werden haben Bush+Putin bald Ihre Pipeline(ohne Skrupel muss man nix kapieren um Erfolg zu haben)
blaubärgrüsse
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_rain_:

@antoinette

 
29.10.01 14:19
Wie meinst Du das? Enthalten Euch die Medien Infos vor?

Ich habe mich sowieso schon gewundert, wie Du das gemeint hast: "usa wird sicherer, europa immer unsicherer" (siehe anderer Thread). Wie kommst Du darauf?

rain is liquid sunshine

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antoinette:

für kicky - up o.T.

 
29.10.01 15:46
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_rain_:

antoinette: wo ist sie geblieben (lol) o.T. o.T.

 
13.11.01 18:02
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