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schtaatuuus

5
18.09.11 17:51
servus wamu-freunde,

haben gestern ein paar wamus gegrillt. ist auf jeden fall ne kunst. der koch der dabei war meinte davon kann man gar nicht zu grosse PORtionen essen. soll sehr gesund sein.
er hat das ganze jetzt zum sechsten mal gemacht. mit original SUSMAN-Sauce.
Thunfisch und Walrath - Salat passt sehr gut.
aber auf kein fall was anbrennen lassen.
In verschiedenen Kulturen zum Beispiel in Delaware gibts das jeden FREITAG zu mittag.
Am Grill am besten keinen SL setzen, da der durch Schwankungen sonst gern mal die WAMUs verliert.
Ps grillt man nicht. Die kocht man. In ROSEN-Wasser.

Ein zwei Ferrero Rochelle dazu.


Ein Schluck roten Bankruptcy und alles wird gut.

Jetzt die Frage zum Schdaaatus?

Bisher hab ich ja auf die Mary gewartet wegen den PORtionen und so. Auf was wart ich jetzt aktuell so? Klärt mich jemand auf? So wies weitergeht? Nächste Schritte? Termine? Dienstag Hearing? wegen DIMEQ? interessant für WAMUQ?

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lander:

zur Abteilung Dimeq

3
18.09.11 18:15
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Zitat MrchntDeth:
"My understanding is that halfull is right that the jpm fdic fight should have no bearing on us. Wmi still has the obligation to pay, because as Bluzie has said, it's already been agreed that they violated the warrant agreement.

That said, additional uncertainty doesn't help."

It's not necessarily that WMI violated the Warrant AgreementS (PLURAL). They did.

This issue is that the Insider Trading SETTLEMENT Note Holders (with WMI's explicit or at least, with their implied consent), got really cute in wheeling/dealing away OUR assets. WMI did NOTHING to stop this, and actually signed off on the deal that these CROOKS cooked up with JPMC.

They "allowed" WMI to keep ALL of the 100% interest that WMI owned in the American Savings Goodwill Litigation, but figured that they would give away WMI's 15% interest in the Anchor Savings Goodwill Litigation (along with OUR 85% interest in said litigation), without ever even asking Steinberg how he felt about their stealing OUR money, as they probably had a good idea as to how Art would feel on this issue.

Tellingly, WMI decided to keep 100% of the American Goodwill Litigation (about $50 million), whereas they gave away 100% of the Anchor Litigation (including our 85% interest that WMI NEVER, EVER owned) (SUPER EMPHASIS), of at least $350 million dollars, not to mention the gross up to make this a tax-free judgment.

Pretty good deal for WMI, excellent deal for JPMC, would have been a FANTASTIC deal for the Insider Trading SETTLEMENT Note Holders, but for that pesky little "insider trading" thingy.

On the other hand, the deal kinda sucked for Dime Ltw's, as we would then get 85% of NOTHING, 85% of ZERO, 85% of ZILCH . . . I think that you get the idea.

Special K was then going to do a §363 "cleansing," wherein JPMC got free and clear title to the Anchor Savings Goodwill Litigation, and we would be left to pound sand. And he "justified" this to Steinberg and the Court as part of a "Holistic Approach."

A "Holistic Approach" in THEFT.

A "Holistic Approach" in BREACH OF FIDUCIARY DUTIES.

A "Holistic Approach" in COMPLETE DERELICTION OF DUTIES OWED TO WMI AND ITS SHAREHOLDERS.

But a "Holistic Approach," nonetheless.

This is why, if Steinberg makes our case to JMW, WMI is the one that is on the hook for OUR money. They engaged in the "Holistic Approach." Now, as the drafters (and co-conspirators) of this "Holistic Approach," they'll pay the price for it (assuming that JMW sees things as they are, and as they happened).

If Special K thought that giving away 100% of something that it only owned 15% of, most jurisdictions would call that "THEFT." It goes without saying that if this is the "Holistic Approach" that Special K thought was fair, then WMI is the party that will bear the cost of up to $337 million of said "Holsitic Approach."

If they saw fit to give away OUR 85% to JPMC as part of a "Holistic Approach," Steinberg (through JMW), will see to it that they then pay for the 85% of OUR money that saw no problem in giving away. Again, to finish up with a "Holistic Approach" in paying back what it attempted to steal (with the tacit approval of the judicial system).

And all the while, the DOJ and the Trustee sat around, not doing anything, until a few concerned Ltw holders were brazen enough to ask for some protections from the court (by appointing for OUR OWN committee to represent OUR interests). Apparently, THIS was the tipping point, THIS is what is took for Roberta DO-NOTHING and Jane LAME-WAD to pull their heads out of . . . "the sand," and get all bent out of shape by the audacity that the Ltw's would have to ask for their own committee to look after THEIR OWN interests. After all, the Ltw's already had these 2 bozos, standing tall, against the Barbarians at the Gate.

Can't wait for Steinberg to rip a new one into Special K, and then use K's blood as "lubrication." (figuritively speaking, of course). Taking a "Holistic Approach, of course. And taking into consideration, the "TOTALITY of the Circumstances."
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lander:

Teil 2 zu Dimeq

3
18.09.11 18:18
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ZItat WithCatz:
US asks again to find FDIC-R_(Not_JPMC) owns Anchor_Litigation - and NOT JPMC through P&A - says reconfirmed by the Bankruptcy Court's most recent Opinion.

Courtesy of Observer and the GB. {Reposted with Permission}

Observer Writes:

The arguments for the US motion to dismiss JPMC from the ownership claim to the Anchor Litigation was today or yesterday in front of Judge Block in Washington I believe (I need to check today's notations of the hearing, transcripts not available yet).

Of note, the US Department of Justice uses the 2nd confirmation denial opinion "in support of their position that the FDIC-R, not JPMC" is the successor to WMB with regards to the Anchor award.

They filed a Judicial Notice document yesterday and attached the 2nd confirmation denial opinion to it.

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Case 1:95-cv-00039-LB Document 346
Filed 09/14/11

IN THE UNITED STATES COURT OF FEDERAL CLAIMS
ANCHOR SAVINGS BANK, FSB, )
Plaintiff,

No. 95-039C
(Judge Block)
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,
Defendant.

DEFENDANT'S MOTION REQUESTING THE COURT
TO TAKE JUDICIAL NOTICE OF BANKRUPTCY COURT RULING

Defendant, the United States, respectfully requests that the Court take judicial notice of
the opinion issued Tuesday, September 13,2011, in In re: Washington Mutual, Inc., No. 08-
12229 (Bankr. Del.). The opinion, which is attached to this request, shows that the bankruptcy
court agrees with the Government's understanding of the September 2008 purchase and
assumption agreement entered into between the FDIC and JPMorgan Chase, N.A. ("JPMorgan").
We filed a motion to dismiss in this case based upon the fact that JPMorgan did not
purchase this claim from the FDIC as receiver for Washington Mutual Bank ("FDIC-R") as part
of the September 25,2008 purchase and assumption agreement. On September 13, 2011, in an
opinion denying certification of the proposed bankruptcy plan and directing the parties to proceed
to mediation, the bankruptcy court (1) discussed which assets were sold to JPMorgan as part of
the September 2008 agreement and which were not, Opinion at 2, and (2) identified this litigation
as being an item whose ownership is in "dispute," id. at 2-3. The court's findings upon both
issues align with the Government's position in this litigation.

In regard to which assets JPMorgan purchased and which remained with the FDIC-R, the
bankruptcy court's opinion tracks exactly what we asserted in our motion to dismiss. The
bankruptcy court found that, "under the P&A Agreement, [JPMorgan] obtained substantially all
of the assets of [Washington Mutual Bank] for $1.88 billion plus the assumption of more than
$145 billion in deposit and other liabilities ofWMB. The FDIC, as the receiver of [Washington
Mutual Bank], retained claims that [Washington Mutual Bank] held against others." Opinion at

As we also established in our motion to dismiss, this litigation - a claim that Washington
Mutual Bank held against others - remained with the FDIC-R as part of the September 2008
agreement.

Similarly, we asserted in our reply in support of our motion to dismiss that, at a
minimum, discovery was necessary because "conflicting claims of ownership in the bankruptcy
court and in other fora demonstrate an unresolved and disputed question as to the real party in
interest in this case." Reply at 6. In its sur-reply, JPMorgan disagreed, asserting that "[t]here are
no competing claims for ownership of the Anchor claim." Sur-reply at 3. The bankruptcy court
rejects JPMorgan's position. The court found that "early in the bankruptcy case disputes arose
among the Debtors, the FDIC, and JPMC regarding ownership of certain assets and various
claims that the parties asserted against each other." Opinion at 2. The court then specifically
identified this litigation as well as the American Savings litigation as claims over which there
was a dispute. Opinion at 3.

CONCLUSION
The United States respectfully requests that the Court take judicial notice of the decision
issued by bankruptcy court on September 13, 2011. For the reasons identified in the bankruptcy
court's order and all the reasons discussed in our motion to dismiss, we also respectfully request
that the Court dismiss JPMorgan's claim or, in the alternative, reopen discovery to permit the
Government the opportunity to explore the basis for JPMorgan's ownership claim.

OF COUNSEL:
ELIZABETH M. HOSFORD
BRIAN A. MIZOGUCHI
Senior Trial Counsel
AMANDAL. TANTUM
JOHN 1. TODOR
Trial Attorneys "
September 14, 2011

Respectfully submitted,
TONY WEST
Assistant Attorney General
JEANNE E. DAVIDSON
Director
sf Scott D. Austin
SCOTT D. AUSTIN
Assistant Director
sf Jacob A. Schunk
JACOB A. SCHUNK
Trial Attorney
Commercial Litigation Branch
Civil Division
Department of Justice
1100 L Street, N.W.
Attn: Classification Unit, 8th Floor
Washington, D.C. 20530
Tel: (202) 616-0320
Fax: (202) 307-0972
Attorneys for Defendant
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ZItat AnchorDME:
To all,

One angle that has not been noted on this board regarding the FDIC is that they are still a horse in the race for the settlement money. If my memory and research that I did a very long time ago doesn't fail me it is my suspicion that they are looking to win the court claim that they own the Anchor litigation proceeds not JPM Chase for only one reason....

In the past I believe there was another Winstar case institution (I think it was a small bank in the midwest) that won a settlement against the govt. for breach of the supervisory goodwill lawsuits (just like Anchor) and that subsequently was seized. It was the contention of the DOJ that since the FDIC now owned the seized institution that any payments made by the govt. went to the FDIC and not to any shareholders. I don't know how this was finally settled or if that is the way it ended up but I clearly remember this happening at some point in the appelette court rulings. This almost happened to Meritor PFSF too (Another Winstar Philadelphia based institution) I believe they won their case though because their seizure was directly tied to the change in the law of not being allowed to use the Supervisory goodwill as tangible capital to meet the capital guidelines. The institution in the midwest failed because of bad RE loans. Sound like WAMU?

In other words taking the money out of one pocket of the govt. and giving it to the other pocket of the govt.

Otherwise why would the FDIC care about trying to get a claim against JPM Chase that they are the owners of the settlement and not JPM Chase. Hopefully no one thinks that they are doing it so they can give it to WMI!

Just my most recent conspiracy theory.

Anyone have any thoughts on this?
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Zitat jmbell42:
This is an unsettling point and one that we've come back to collectively since the most recent filing in the ongoing litigation before Judge Block.

For the purposes of the WMI/Broadbill adversary proceeding, this is essentially moot at this point.

Our reasoning goes as follows:

(1) Regardless of seizure/transfer of assets, our 85% of assets were transferred from us (LTW) holders to someone else.

(2) Part (1) caused a claim to be put on the estate of WMI on behalf of LTW holders. This is no different than other secured creditors placing a claim on the estate of an insolvent institution.

(3) Currently, Art Steinberg et al. are litigating to prove that LTWs are actually creditors with a claim in the amount of the Anchor proceeds that were guaranteed to be ours according to the warrant agreement.

At this point, the FDIC/JPM saga is an interesting sideshow, since neither party will honor the warrant agreement. THe main game is whether or not we are recognized as creditors to the WMI estate. If we are then, we get the full value of our net of the Anchor litigation. If not, then we will not see anything.

So far as I understand it. While you are correct that the FDIC complaint against JPM is somewhat interesting, it is really immaterial to the ongoing adversary proceeding in the WAMU chapter 11 bankruptcy.

I'm sure that Eric and others might fill in any gaps that I may have left.

Best,

Jared
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lander:

Consider this....

6
18.09.11 18:31
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ZItat whosegow:
Consider this....
if the debtors have failed to produce a full and complete audited list of assets and all claims to the court then JMFW has been doing equity a favor with all these rejections because equity as yet to assert a claim for adequate protection under 361>>>...362...363...365 here is what 361 says...it says creditors have an automatic lien!

Since WMI is reportedly solvent, that makes equity a lien holder...any distribution of assets without providing for equity has an automatic stay...

"§ 361. Adequate protection

When adequate protection is required under section 362, 363, or 364 of this title of an interest of an entity in property, such adequate protection may be provided by—
(1) requiring the trustee to make a cash payment or periodic cash payments to such entity, to the extent that the stay under section 362 of this title, use, sale, or lease under section 363 of this title, or any grant of a lien under section 364 of this title results in a decrease in the value of such entity’s interest in such property;

(2) providing to such entity an additional or replacement lien to the extent that such stay, use, sale, lease, or grant results in a decrease in the value of such entity’s interest in such property; or

(3) granting such other relief, other than entitling such entity to compensation allowable under section 503 (b)(1) of this title as an administrative expense, as will result in the realization by such entity of the indubitable equivalent of such entity’s interest in such property."

About I/P...if WMI was the holder of the i/p rights to the wamu trade names, that would make WMB the licensee....WMI, licensor.

If that is the case, even though fdic seized wmb, the licensee rights would convey. If JPM wants to continue its claim to licensee rights, then the are required under 365 (n) to continue to make royalty payments to the licensor or forfeit any claim.

Any failure to assert those claims by debtor is a failure in adequately protection the assets of the estate. (See 361).....:-)

WGM's locomotive is easily derailed...imo.

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i only point these two things out because if you want to play their game you have to play by their rules....and these simple examples are illustrative of how they have not done that.

This is what JMFW is paid to do...enforce the rules...but someone has to focus the spotlight...and that hasn't been done...so she is doing it with what she has been given to work with....namely, Nate's assertion of i/t.


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faster:

@mediator

18
18.09.11 19:07
zur ernsthaftigkeit von mediationssitzungen ein beitrag von kenwalker:

"Parties refusing to take seriously or worst refusing to attend mediation , under the authority granted the court - Rule 37(b) (2)(A)(Vi) - the judge can enter default judgment against the party. Furthermore if a party does not participate in "good faith" the court has the power to impose sanctions against them. While defining "good faith" can be elusive, the fact that a party can be sanctioned is a deterrence to acting improperly. "

wenn eine partei die mediation nicht ernst nimmt, kann das gericht ein versäumnisurtiel fällen. und,  falls eine partei nicht ernsthaft "in good faith" teilnimmt, kann das gericht sanktionen verhängen.
ist zwar bei walrát eher unwahrscheinlich, aber nicht auszuschliessen.

www.stjohns.edu/academics/graduate/law/.../volume/v1/meyer.stj

@konkurserklärung und die fehlenden milliarden.

wmi hat etwas mehr als 33 mrd an guthaben, und etwas weniger als 8 mrd als schulden angegeben. die differenz erklärt sich für mich aus den aktien der wmb, die als buchwert etwa 26 mrd haben, und nach der beschlagnahmung und dem gsa wertlos sind. wobei sie ja nicht ganz wertlos sind, aber das ist wieder ein ganz anderes thema.

und jetzt wünsche ich euch noch gute nerven, die werdent ihr brauchen. die wahuq attacke war meiner meinung nach nicht die letzte dieser art, grins.

als hilfe denkt mal daran, dass die hedgefunds die wmi neu im abgelehnten por v7.0 an bereits an die aktionäre verschenkt hattten, bevor dieser por von den tps vorzugsaktionären abgelehnt wurde. ich bezweifle, dass beim nächsten vorschlag hinter diesen zwischen hedgefunds und aktionären vereinbarten vergleich gegangen wird. es ist zwar möglich, aber nicht sehr wahrscheinlich, grins.

also sollte es nur besser werden.

go eagles

"ein silber panda oder ein silber kookaburra kann die welt verbessern, grins" crasht jpm
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pyramid:

sammelsurium #1

7
18.09.11 19:19

ich bau mir gerade eine excel (alphabetische liste) über begrifflichkeiten und ihre übersetzung zu WaMu, BK, Personen, inkl. verlinkung und sonstigen trallalla. ; )

 

benötige aber noch´n paar angaben:

  1. definition PIERS ?
  2. suche die klassenliste zum wasserfall-prinzip. hat die nicht jemand letztens hier gepostet ?

 

wer an der excel interessiert ist, kann sich per BM gerne melden. die ausarbeitung läuft aber noch ...

 

danke+gruß

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inok:

@ Winner zum 2. OT

4
18.09.11 19:20
Wer auf das posting 163153 von Sourcewell und seiner "versehentlichen" Interpretation, die er inzwischen selber annuliert hat als erster mit gut analysiert reagiert, sollte sich vielleicht Gedanken machen ob es angebracht ist folgende abgedroschenen Satz auszuteilen

"hmmm....du hast leider nichts verstanden, bzw. du kannst posting nicht
lesen und analysieren.......wer lesen kann, ist klar im vorteil !! "

Im übrigen brauchst Du dich sicher vor niemandem rechtfertigen indem du deine tiefen Kaufkurse reinstellst, jeder ist seines eigenen Glückes Schmied. Aber alle werden dich dafür beneiden, wenn es das ist was Du hören willst!

Wünsche Dir etwas mehr Lockerheit und weiterhin Winner-trades!

Gruss ok
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#163158

Trader 84:

Sowas vielleicht?

6
18.09.11 19:40

Wamu WKN 893906 News ! 11635390

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pyramid:

@thermendoc

 
18.09.11 19:42
ja ?
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berry09:

hallo

 
18.09.11 20:11
ich lese über ein ergebnis für lehmann-tochter frankfurt -könnte das auch für wamu eintreten
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yvonnego:

lander

 
18.09.11 20:13
Wäre es möglich, mal eine Zusammenfassung in Deutsch zu schreiben!?
Danke im voraus!
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Winner2010:

@inok...vollzonk

 
18.09.11 20:25
genauso wie es mir zusteht, sourcewell mit gut analysiert zu bewerten, nehme ich
mir heraus deine OT-postings mit uninteressant zu bewerten....

bezeichnent für solche user wie dich....

seit 21.08.2006 hier angemeldet.....35 postings....
davon die meisten nur OT und persönliche untergriffe...
zum wert selbst null komma josef !!

mit solchen wichtigtuern sollte man sich eigentlich gar nicht befassen....

darum ab sofort auf ignore....vollzonk !!
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odin10de:

@Trader 84

4
18.09.11 20:28

Siehe Posting: #163187

Bei der  Pyramide ist ja alles schön und gut, nur ......................................  

Keiner redet mehr über Betrug und den Fall der Bank, denn danach sieht alles viel besser aus.

 

Ich vermute dass Susman darauf hinaus will und wahrscheinlich auch den Weg geht.

 

mfg

 

Odin

 

 

Ps:

Wie immer, meine persönliche Meinung

 

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Digital-Tiger:

18.9.2011:Chinese Banks Are Imitating WaMu...

 
18.09.11 20:30
Chinese Banks Are Imitating Washington Mutual.

Once upon a time there was a bank based in Seattle, Washington called Washington Mutual. The bank grew by acquisitions in the 1990’s and enjoyed the prosperity of the United States of America. It raised its common stock dividend every year from 1989 to 2006 and on April 18th of 2006 reported their 1st quarter 2006 earnings. Profits grew 15% in the first quarter of 2006 as compared to the prior quarter ended December 31st of 2005. Here is how Washington Mutual’s Chairman and CEO, Kerry Killinger, described the results:

   "We are very pleased with our first quarter results," said Kerry Killinger, Washington Mutual chairman and chief executive officer. "The company's strong performance demonstrates the benefits of our continued diversification and enhanced operational focus. This past quarter we had particularly strong results in Retail Banking and Card Services."

   "These businesses added customers at a record pace and delivered significant revenue and earnings even in this difficult interest rate environment," Killinger added. Source

Today there is a bank called China Construction Bank. It is the third-biggest commercial lender in China. On August the 22nd of 2011, China Construction Bank reported that its first half profits rose 31% to $14.5 billion, buoyed by higher income from fees and interest. Here is how the web site mystockmarketnews.com described the bank’s results:

   Like other Chinese lenders, the bank has benefited from rising interest rates and higher fees and commissions as it diversifies its revenue sources.

   Interest income in the first half of the year rose 24 percent, while income from fees and commissions jumped 42 percent to 47.7 billion yuan ($7.5 billion). Source

Unfortunately, Washington Mutual is no longer in existence. The reason they no longer exist was actually shown in the 1st quarter report in 2006. Despite reporting an operating profit of $985 million dollars in the quarter, Washington Mutual and its executives were preparing it to run headlong into the realities of the conflict between the income statement of a bank and its balance sheet. The bank was lending a massive amount of money to people who were buying homes with no money down under the premise that home prices would never drop nationwide. Many of those loans were made to people whose incomes were never verified and logically would never have the income to afford what they bought.

On page two of their earnings report, Washington Mutual reported tangible equity as 5.85% of tangible assets and non-performing assets as .59% of total assets. The provision for loan and lease losses was $82 million and net charge offs were $105 million. Remember, this was in the first quarter of 2006. Residential real estate prices in the most popular markets in America like Southern California, Arizona, Nevada and Miami were already starting to crater. Washington Mutual was a major player in those markets on the West Coast of the US. Washington Mutual had $26.156 billion of shareholders equity at the end of March in 2006, total loans of $240 billion. The percentage of these loans which would default wiped out the bank and put them into the hands of JP Morgan with FDIC assistance.

China Construction Bank was one of the main institutions that the government of China has used between late 2008 and early 2011 to stimulate the Chinese economy through lending to special purpose vehicles for building condos, office buildings and infrastructure. The purpose behind the speculative development loans was to avoid the economic contraction happening around the world which Chinese policy makers correctly foresaw in 2008. The average citizen in China can’t afford to buy the condo residences which are being built by these quick buck speculators. China Construction Bank’s activities are described in the mystockmarketnews.com article this way:

   The bank said it was strictly controlling lending to industries designated by the government as having excess capacity, such as iron and steel, coal and plate glass. Meanwhile, it boosted lending to small and medium-size companies.

   Smaller businesses have usually struggled to get bank financing. Such lending increased 9.5 percent by the end of June over December of last year, compared with a 6.8 percent increase in total corporate lending.

   Construction Bank, which is relatively heavily exposed to the property sector, also said it was limiting lending to local government investment entities, whose debts have ballooned in the wake of a binge of recession-fighting construction investments. Source

It is estimated by Fitch and other reliable sources that more than $2.7 trillion in loans were made to real estate developers at the municipal level on spec developments. We have seen estimates of loan losses ranging from 30% to 70% and reports show that interest payments of as much as $140 billion are due this year alone. The Chinese government has already allocated $464 billion to their version of a TARP program to deal with the capital which these loans are beginning to destroy. Here is how Bloomberg explains these circumstances recently:

   Chinese lenders expanded credit at a record pace in 2009 and 2010, making more than 17.5 trillion yuan ($2.7 trillion) of new loans as the government moved to offset a collapse in exports during the global recession. The surge in loans exceeded credit expansions in the U.S. before its financial crisis, in Japan before its stock and property bubbles collapsed in 1990 and in South Korea before the Asian financial crisis of the late 1990s, according to Fitch. Source

If China Construction Bank has its fair share of these massive loans and the default rate runs 30%, $300-500 billion in bad loan write-offs wouldn’t look very impressive in comparison to a $14.5 billion dollar profit on the income statement. The grave difficulties which are hiding in the capital structure of this bank are showing up the same way they did with Washington Mutual in 2006. The stock market kept giving Washington Mutual a lower and lower price-to-earnings ratio and the stock lagged performance benchmarks in 2006. Here is how Bloomberg describes what is going on recently with the Chinese Bank stocks:

   Investors are cutting their estimates for the value of Chinese bank assets. The MSCI China Financials Index’s price-to- book ratio, a measure of share prices relative to net assets, tumbled to 1.8 on July 29, the lowest level since February 2009, from 2.8 two years ago, according to monthly data compiled by Bloomberg. The ratio for Chinese lenders slipped below that of the MSCI Emerging Markets Index on June 21 for the first time since January 2006, data compiled by Bloomberg show.

   Industrial & Commercial Bank of China (601398) Ltd., the world’s largest lender by market value, slumped 8.2 percent from the end of March through July 29 even after saying bad loans dropped almost 4 percent in the first quarter. The stock gained 1 percent today.

   Credit-default swaps on Bank of China Ltd. (3988), the nation’s third-largest lender by assets, jumped to 153 basis points from 106 on March 31, according to data compiled by Bloomberg and CMA, which is owned by CME Group Inc. and compiles prices quoted by dealers in privately negotiated markets. Source

The bottom line is that Washington Mutual is only in existence in the world of litigation. For those of you out there who like to avoid these kinds of risks, we at Smead Capital Management recommend you avoid China, avoid the commodities which are used most heavily in construction, avoid the makers of construction and mining equipment, avoid the countries which have benefitted the most from China’s uninterrupted growth, and avoid the vehicles used for financing all of this growth. Economist Gary Shilling said it this way:

   ‘China isn’t this juggernaut that’s going to grow forever without any interruption,’ Shilling said in a July 14 interview with Bloomberg Television’s Betty Liu, adding that the government may be forced to bail out banks as bad debts grow. Source

With the capital they use to recapitalize banks like China Construction Bank, we believe China won’t be able to continue their non-economic building spree. The inevitable economic recession/depression in China which we expect to follow will turn the asset allocation world upside down, in our opinion. Buyers beware!



Disclosure: I have no positions in any stocks mentioned, and no plans to initiate any positions within the next 72 hours.
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Gruss
DigiTig :-)
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paketix:

immer dieses rumgezicke...

9
18.09.11 20:31
seid ihr männer oder was?
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paketix:

danke für den 'schwarzen' winner2010

2
18.09.11 20:37
ich kann damit leben ... immerhin fühlen sich die richtigen angesprochen
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paketix:

hast noch einen dritten im köcher schätzchen?

 
18.09.11 20:39
*bitte*
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Winner2010:

@paketix....sei ein mann

 
18.09.11 20:43
"danke für den schwarzen, winner....ich kann damit leben"

was soll`s ......du bist ja ein mann !!  
siehe oben deine OT-postings


du memme....ich kugel mich vor lachen
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Gelöschter Beitrag. Einblenden »
#163171

hardy14:

wird Zeit

4
18.09.11 21:00
daß Montag wird..........

GN8 Mädels und Jungs (weniger ist mehr......)
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Winner2010:

@hotstockrunner....

 
18.09.11 21:04
immer schön weiter provozieren.....macht es dir spass ?

nur wird es nichts nutzen....
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NeverSurrend.:

Gratulation...

11
18.09.11 21:14
an die Streithanseln, dass ist genau das, was unsere Gegner erfreut.
Besonders schlimm finde ich, dass auch Leute dabei sind, welche sich normalerweise durch fundierte Sachkenntnis auszeichnen.
Also, macht weiter so, Rosie, Jamie und Co. tut ihr damit nur einen Gefallen.
Jeder kann mal danebengreifen, vergesst das bitte nicht. Und (fast) jeder hat das hier bereits getan (nur meine Meinung).

Und zum Abschluß noch eine kurze Übersetzung meinerseits:
"United":
einig, gemeinschaftlich, verbunden, vereinigt, vereint
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lander:

**Hearing 9/20/2011 10:30AM EST - Phone Dial-in an

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18.09.11 21:40
**Hearing 9/20/2011 10:30AM EST - Phone Dial-in and Audio Archive

LIVE STREAMING:
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LIVE CONFERENCE CALL:
Dial-in at 10:20AM EST
Hearing begins at 10:30AM EST
The bridge number is:
712-432-1001
and when prompted for the access code enter:
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You will hear no music just an intermittent beep until I join the call to the hearing.
Skype is reported to work well. Google Voice will not work as it has been blocked for some time.

AUDIO ARCHIVE:
To be notified as the audio archives become available:
twitter.com/WaMuAudio

The archived audio will be made available at the conclusion of the hearing:
Hearing Index: www.viewip.net/WMI/Hearing

WMI CALENDAR:
www.my.calendars.net/wmi


ADDITIONAL CONFERENCE ACCESS NUMBERS:

For those in Europe, here are additional dial-in numbers.  Use the same pass-code above.

Germany 49    01805 00 76 18
UK 44    0870 352 0483
France 33    0826 100 265
Ireland 353    0818 270 030
Austria 43    0820 4000 1561
Belgium 32    070 35 9983
Spain 34    0902 88 60 36
Switzerland 41    0848 56 01 88
Italy    39    0848 39 01 65


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