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.... hat das Risiko wenn eine Kurzfristige Einigung stattfindet und der Handel eingefroren wird mit leeren Händen dazustehn.Ich für meinen Teil halte meine teile fest ob 0,10 oder0,03 oder 0,20 €ct mir doch egal es gibt bei Wamu kein chart den man berechnen bzw erwarten kann das ist nur zocken oder auf Gewinnbringende Einigung warten.Das geschwafel von dem Wes Typen steht voll im Wind mit Pfandbrief etc die geilen sich an ihrem angeblichen Rhetoriktalent auf ignore ist zum entspannen das beste.

Dazu gibt es eine Statistik.
Zur Prognosefähigkeit unserer Teilnehmer im Forum:

http://www.ariva.de/forum/statistik.m

besonders der Abschnitt:

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Zitat  Emptyhead:

This is very Depressing. I would have thought the upeer .11's would have been enough to trigger a sustainable run. This has not been the case. My fears are getting the better part of me here.
Thinking the common may not be in the money only the Preferreds.
There is no reason we should be trading this low again unless the notion of the commons not getting paid has become more clear to those in the know.

I'm pissed at myself for Buying again. But such is life.
I will not Sell! If there is not pyaout for the common then I will go down with the ship. Stubborn is one of my best sides.
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Zitat william48:

To emptyhead. It sounds like you need a pick-me-up, my man. This is an excerpt from my posting of this morning, at 8:00AM.

"I think that Rosen will not file the DS/POR7 until minutes before midnight on Friday, July 17th. The delay occasioned by this late filing will unfortunately be seen (by many) as evidence that negotiations have collapsed and that we are heading back to the days of POR6 (Rosen would get a kick out of that). As a result of that dismay, the PPS, of all classes, will continue to deteriorate this week and the next, quite possibly resulting in the UQs falling below a dime. But all should take heart in that … as it will be our absolute final buying opportunity, as the PPS heads steadily toward $0.74 (as it stood on 3/12/10), awaiting the confirmation hearing."

What you're experiencing right now will only last for several more days.

Zitatende


MfG.L:)

es sind in letzter zeit wieder vermehrt dumpfbacken aufgetaucht, die mit dem argument hausieren gehen, der markt hat immer recht, und auf den preis der aktien hinweisen.

naja, wer war den der markt, der mir im frühjahr 2009 die wampq um 5 dollar verkauft hat?

und hatten die damaligen markteilnehmer recht? mir ihre wampq um 5 dollar zu verkaufen? von meiner seite aus "immer", grins. von ihrer seite aus dürften sie das geschäft schon bedauern.

sagt diesen dumpfbacken, sie sollen sich ihre parolen dorthin stecken, wo sie hingehören.

@4blatt: schöne sache, punkt d auf seite 23: www.kccllc.net/documents/0812229/0812229110609000000000003.pdf

ein anspruch auf den gewinn aus dem gsa, das ist eine schöne juristische zwickmühle.

59. JPMorgan is paying the Debtors in excess of $6 billion for the Debtors’ assets.
Under the Plan, after the Global Settlement is consummated, the Debtors will have less than
$200 million in remaining assets.

JPM paying 6B for Debtors assets    
First time in a filing
www.kccllc.net/documents/0812229/0812229110609000000000003.pdf

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Point 59

settlement for Equity

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If you review the hearing on the 6th you can clearly understand that a settlement is forthcomming and Equity is in the money. Please read:

3 THE COURT: Good morning. Before we begin, I wanted
4 to announce that we have a visitor from Germany, Judge Nietzer,
5 observing. So I'm sure the parties will be performing their
6 best today.
7 MR. ROSEN: On their best behavior, Your Honor.
8 THE COURT: I didn't want to say that.

(Funny that BR started off wrong and Walrath poked him. Lovers quarrel?)

7 Your Honor, when I stood before you, I believe it
8 was on May 24th, I was there to announce that we had -- we were
9 announcing a tentative settlement that had been reached among
10 the equity committee, the creditors' committee, the debtors and
11 what was referred to as AAOC or sometimes, in olden days, known
12 as the settlement noteholders.
13 Your Honor, I am pleased to report that all the
14 parties have been diligently working towards getting this
15 documented. However, in something as complex as it is,
16 unfortunately, it has taken slightly longer than we had
17 anticipated. And we had hoped to be before you today with the
18 seventh amended plan on file.
2 We have spoken with counsel for the equity committee
3 and, specifically, with respect to the discovery that the
4 equity committee had been undertaking prior to reaching this
5 tentative settlement and the need for the equity committee to
6 continue to finish that discovery. And last night, I spoke
7 with Mr. Sargent on behalf of the equity committee and he
8 indicated that he thought it would take about seven days to ten
9 days to complete that discovery. And we would push back the
10 hearing in order to accommodate that discovery time frame.
11 Of course, Your Honor, if we're successful in
12 documenting what needs to be documented with respect to the
13 seventh amended plan, we would come back and revisit that time
14 frame yet again like we were going to do today.
15 So what we're asking Your Honor at this point is in
16 order to allow the parties to continue, number one; in order to
17 allow the equity committee to do what they needed to do to
18 complete their process, number two; and then file if, in fact
19 they decide to do so, a comprehensive objection to the modified
20 sixth amended plan that we push back the 29th and 30th to right
21 after the July 4th weekend.
18 MR. ROSEN: We do, Your Honor, but I don't know what
19 the rest of your calendar looks like that day. And we know
20 we'd take longer than an omnibus usually does.
21 THE COURT: Well, I can give you the 5th but the 6th
22 is tied up all day.
23 MR. ROSEN: Your --
24 THE COURT: 7th and 8th have other hearings. I can
25 put you on standby. I know on the 13th I can give you the
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1 entire day.
2 MR. ROSEN: Your Honor, if I could suggest --
3 THE COURT: -- and the 14th.
4 MR. ROSEN: -- perhaps we start on the 5th and come
5 back on the 7th?
6 THE COURT: If there's time. We have hearings
7 scheduled but, as you know, they may come off.
8 MR. ROSEN: Yes. And again, Your Honor, I'm hopeful
9 that we reach closure with respect to this other documentation.
10 And perhaps we won't need that day for a confirmation hearing.
11 THE COURT: The afternoon of the 6th may become free,
12 too. So let's just start on the 5th --
13 MR. ROSEN: Okay.
14 THE COURT: -- and see what the 6th, 7th and 8th
15 reveal --
16 MR. ROSEN: Thank you, Your Honor.
17 THE COURT: -- when we get there.

(This speaks volumes to everyone. Walrath offers up a bunch of good available days. Read again how BR pretty much demands the 5th saying “Yes. And again, Your Honor, [heavy sarcasm] I’m hopeful that we reach closure….” We all know the documentation he refers to is the settlement agreement, and maybe his career. I wonder what the visiting judge thought about this exchange!)

Then

MR. COFFEY: Good morning, Your Honor. Jeremy Coffey
19 with Brown Rudnick on behalf of the Trust Preferred group.
20 Just a couple of quick points. One, I understand there have
21 been ongoing negotiations between the parties. We have not
22 been part of that. We'd like to be. We had a meeting
23 yesterday with the settlement noteholders. I'll call it
24 preliminary but constructive.
(Why involve them when they will be paid in full. They would just slow things up.)
7 While we don't know the details
8 of it, my understanding is that what's being discussed is
9 fairly significantly different than what is on the table
10 currently.

(BR told them just enough to make them shut up about the settlement. I love his next statement showing he is irritated that Coffee is even bringing it up at this time “Your Honor, I think we're in violent agreement. That's exactly what I said.”)
Then
MR. COFFEY: Good morning, Your Honor. Jeremy Coffey
19 with Brown Rudnick on behalf of the Trust Preferred group.
20 Just a couple of quick points. One, I understand there have
21 been ongoing negotiations between the parties. We have not
22 been part of that. We'd like to be. We had a meeting
23 yesterday with the settlement noteholders. I'll call it
24 preliminary but constructive.
(Why involve them when they will be paid in full. They would just slow things up.)
7 While we don't know the details
8 of it, my understanding is that what's being discussed is
9 fairly significantly different than what is on the table
10 currently.
(BR told them just enough to make them shut up about the settlement. I love his next statement showing he is irritated that Coffee is even bringing it up at this time “Your Honor, I think we're in violent agreement. That's exactly what I said.”)
Then BR hints again
19 MR. ROSEN: I mean, if we are fortunate to finish the
20 documentation associated with a seventh, we would be filing a
21 disclosure statement. If the Court thought it was appropriate
22 to do it on that date, we would consider that. But otherwise,
23 it's only the sixth on that date, Your Honor.
(Obviously, if this was the start of a trial, it would not start on the 5th. The 5th is only good if BR is presenting a settlement agreement for the court to consider. That only involves BR clucking for a while and opportunity for others to be heard.)
(Hodara then brown noses a bit and reiterates: )
3. And so, I'll be quite brief
4 because Mr. Rosen not only said it correctly that Mr. Hodara
5 and the committee have been riveted on the concept of making
6 sure that satisfactory to creditors gets confirmed as promptly
7 as possible. And, of course, we have, as Mr. Rosen reported to
8 the Court at the last status conference overwhelming support in
9 the votes that came in on the sixth plan. So we are very
10 pleased that that plan has not only remained viable but that
11 Mr. Rosen has arranged with the Court for a date that is as
12 close now as July 5th. And that is, I think, as early a date
13 as we could have hoped for given the circumstances that have
14 developed. We also appreciate the report that the equity
15 committee has said that they can get their discovery done if we
16 need to go back down that route in a period of time that
17 enables a hearing to go forward on July 5th.
(What does it take for investors to see the word SETTLEMENT here?)
(Bop or someone, what is this “tranquility hearing” that BR said was so important?)

(Then Mr. Strochak gave a brilliant basic contract law argument why the suit against the board must be dismissed. (Non-parties to a contract are not liable) The debt verses equity argument will happen later, if at all. But what most folks miss is that Strochak stated openly in court that whether they are equity or debt, it doesn’t matter, they will get something. i.e. commons will be paid. Does this make everyone feel better? Steinberg tried the “complaint must be viewed most favorable to plaintiffs” crap, and accuses them of being “hypertechnical”; legalese for oops, I messed up and they caught me. He tries to throw wrap at the wall but it doesn’t stick. Walrath then gives him some lessons in contract law, gives them the real reason for her decision, which they both failed to raise/argue, and kindly gave them another month or so of earnings until this all goes away, and not having to grant a summary judgment dismissal.)

(Then Sargent, on the phone, makes a suggestive clarification: )

19 The reason that I suggested to Brian on the phone last
20 night was that July would work if that'll give us the three
21 weeks. But I think implicit in that agreement is the
22 understanding that the parties who are on the other side of
23 that discovery are not going to object because this very
24 compressed time frame is too short. You know, we're agreeing
25 to try to do this in such a tight time frame to try to
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1 accommodate, on the one hand, the need to complete these
2 settlement negotiations without moving forward on the
3 discovery. On the other hand, if the settlement negotiations
4 fall apart, we need to go forward as quickly as possible on
5 confirmation.
6 We don't -- there's three depositions that we need to
7 take. Those have been noted and then continued or cancelled
8 several times. The parties are well aware of that. We've
9 drafted a motion to compel and provided that to the other party
10 over a month ago so they're well aware of that and I think the
11 only other piece of discovery that we need is a fairly narrow
12 30(b)(6) from the debtor. So as long as we're not going to end
13 up back in front of the Court in two weeks with somebody saying
14 we don't have enough time to respond to this, we're perfectly
15 fine with this schedule. So I just wanted to make that clear
16 for the record.
17 THE COURT: All right. Hopefully, I won't have to
18 deal with that issue but the party's positions are on the
19 records.
20 MR. SARGENT: Thank you.

(The take-a-way from this is amazing. BR said nothing in response to Sargent or Walrath, yes you heard me, nothing.)

wird schon :-)

Hey Veyron, Du wirst ja noch richtig gut!!! :-)

ich kann rechnen 6 B $ sind doch geil! vom Feind zu bekommen, oder?

mir ist STEIN vom Herzen gefallen heute bei WKN 622360 da bin ich GROSSINVESTOR.
und bei WAMUQ wollen die DOLLARS einfach noch nicht ROLLEN, WIRD ABER SCHON NOCH WERDEN !

Zitat:
ich kann rechnen 6 B $ sind doch geil! vom Feind zu bekommen, oder?

Richtig,

Aber damit wäre wir bei +- 0 also muß oder kommt da noch was dazu.

Nachdem dass die Commons leer ausgehen sollen ist das plötzlich viel und dann noch von JPM ???

Da kommt noch was nach.

Ps:
Meine persönliche Meinung.

Odin

mit den B & $ von JPM ASSETS hat die neue FIRMA auch einen WERT.
6 : 1,7 + Vorzüge = 2,4 $ und ein Splitt noch 10 : 1 = 24 $ für die NEUE FIRMA bei 170 Mio. Aktien das wäre GEIL!

Lt. dem Transcript war ein Heilbronner Richter beim Hearing 6/8/2011 anwesend:

"THE COURT: Good morning. Before we begin, I wanted
4 to announce that we have a visitor from Germany, Judge Nietzer,
5 observing. So I'm sure the parties will be performing their
6 best today.

ghostofwamu.com/documents/...Transcripts/08-12229-20110608.PDF

Eberhard Nietzer, Associate Presiding Judge
Amtsgericht (County Court) Heilbronn
Wilhelmstrasse 2-6
74072 Heilbronn, Germany
direct line + 49 7131 64-34256 or 49 7131 64-34517
nietzer@agheilbronn.justiz.bwl.de

Eberhard Nietzer is the presiding judge of the insolvency division of the county court in Heilbronn. Please feel free to contact him in English.

www.qualitaetszirkel-bw.de/43700.html

"Hallo Faster, eine Frage: Wie sieht du die TPS'ler in der Sache mit der POR7?
(Rosi bekam die nicht mal an den TISCH) .."


gute frage.....

klar kommt was nach SUSI kommt nach!
Mit einer REchnung an JPM, wer sind den die 4 Hedgies und die TPS'ler.
ALLES JPM Brüder, sonst NIX, DRECK AM STECKEN!

wes Chart sagt wann es wieder hoch geht lol.Lasst ihm seine Kaffesatz Träume.

Wenn wir ehrlich sind hatte bis jetzt keiner von Beiden  recht . Weder die Ausbuchungs-
vorhersagen noch die Settlement- Prophezeiungen sind eingetroffen.
Keiner weiß etwas und keiner kann im Moment zu 100% sagen das wir etwas bekommen oder das wir nichts bekommen.Das allein spiegelt sich im Kurs wieder - kann diese Kursmanipulation bald nicht mehr lesen.

Winner2010: @veyron....hmmm   22:34 #141191  "Hallo Faster, eine Frage: Wie sieht du die TPS'ler in der Sache mit der POR7?
(Rosi bekam die nicht mal an den TISCH) .."


gute frage.....

ist also eigentlich nur etwas zum austauschen von  charttechniken oder seinen pilotenschein zu machen
nun ich finde da schon parallelen zu gestalten wie tecnasty oder epicstock
(otc pusher)
die verherrlichung von charttechnik im gemeinsamen gang  nur charts anzupreisen und ausbrüche (natürlich nur nach oben)vorherzusagen
googelt tecnasty oder epicstock
macht euch ein bild
und ihr werdet vielleicht einschätzen können wie leicht ihr euren pilotenschein machen könnt(ohne garantie das ihr auch das fliegen wirklich beherrscht)
nun auch in deutschland erhältlich,kostenfrei und ohne persönlichen eigennutz(ja ne is klar)
naja nach einem harten tag etwas zum lächeln zu finden sind die kleinen freuden des lebens
lg

Bin selbst  gut investiert.Sehe aber nicht alles durch die "rosarote" Brille .Oder kannst Du mit 100 % Sicherheit garantieren das wir was kriegen ?

zu den Doc´s? alle Profis weg?

noch ein schönes altes Zitat, dass hier passen könnte, für diesen Thread und WaMu

"Der Weg ist das Ziel"   in diesem Sinne - gute N8

ja, klar, aber was sollen solche Aussagen bewirken?

vielleicht scheint morgen die Sonne oder vielleicht regnet es?!

Nach dem Gesetz der Sieben sollte das Schlimmste nun eher hinter
als vor uns liegen. Ich rechne damit, das wir die 0,09$ (rot) noch sehen,
vielleicht wird auch das naheliegende kleine Gap noch geschlossen,
schauen wir mal. Da das Gap unter großem Volumen entstanden ist,
hoffe ich, dass es eine gute Unterstützung darstellt.

Ansonsten träte dann Murphys Gesetz in Kraft...

Grüße

kroetendetektor