anschlag im internet geplant???

In einem Forum zum Thema Flugzeuge hat im Oktober vergangenen Jahres ein User die Frage gestellt, ob das World Trade Center einen Crash eines Düsenjets übersteht. Das berichtet das Magazin „Thema1.de“.

Das Original-Posting vom User MD-90 am 30. Oktober 2000 um 04:39:15 Uhr:
“Anyone wanna bet that the World Trade Center could survive an 767-300 impact?
When the two towers that make up the World Trade Center were built, they were designed to withstand the impact of the largest airliner of the day, the Boeing 707 Intercontinental. The Empire State Building survived a B-25 medium bomber crashing into it on very foggy day. It was during the weekend when most people weren't there, but still, 14 people died.”

Die Kollegen von „Thema1“ stellen die Vermutung auf, dass sich an der Diskussion eventuell auch einige der späteren Attentäter beteiligt haben könnten. Dort erfährt man mehr und auch weniger bekannte Details zum vor einer Woche eingestürzten Gebäudekomplex, aber auch Facts zu Flugzeugen und Ausmaßen potentieller Zerstörung durch entsprechende Unglücke oder Attacken.

Die Frage wäre aber nicht uninteressant, zumal es ein Computerspiel von Microsoft gab, bei dem man mit einem Flugzeug über Manhattan düsen und überall reincrashen konnte.
Warum sollte man also eine solche Frage nicht diskutieren?

Und immer schön über anonymizer surfen....

So wie in jedes andere Gebäude, das in den Szenerien drin ist und auch in jeden Berg. So ist das halt bei einem Flugsimulator.
Beim Autorennen kannst du auch bloß auf der Strasse fahren oder in die Bande crashen.

Was stellst du dir unter einem Simulator vor?

schaut euch mal die Seite an.

For one thing, unlike the Empire State Building, which has more heavy concrete, the World Trade Center is made more of steel and glass - this may mean far greater structural damage due to the impact and flying glass shards and debris raining down on the people below. There could be a possibility of toppling if the 707 or the 757 came in at a high enough speed. Both of these planes are larger and heavier than a B-25 bomber, so this means a greater force of impact. I'm no expert on building structure or air crashes, but it would no doubt be far worse than the Empire State Building disaster.

It is very doubtful any passengers or crew would have survived such a grim scenario. Also, there are probably more people per floor in the World Trade Center compared to the Empire State Building, so casualties in the building will likely be much higher.

However, I wouldn't be surprised if the authorities would have a strict exclusion zone preventing any large airplanes, especially commercial airliners, from getting too close to Manhattan, so that there would be no repeat of the Empire State Building crash.

Other large buildings have been crashed into by large airliners, like the El Al 747-200F that crashed into an apartment complex in Amsterdam several years ago.

There was a small Cessna plane that crashed into a hospital in Edmonton, the city where I live. This was in the early 1980s, and did prompt fears about larger planes crashing right in the middle of Edmonton. The hospital sits right underneath the approach path to the City Centre Airport. It was quoted in the news by a member of the city council that "one day a 737 will slam into the hospital, and that will be it".

Edmonton City Centre Airport (formerly the Municipal Airport) did used to have quite a few 737s and BAe 146s flying in and out of there until 1995, when it was closed to most scheduled flights. This airport sits only a few kilometres north of downtown Edmonton, so it is well within the built up areas.

There are risks when you have an airport like Kai Tak(now closed) or Love Field in Dallas, TX served by larger airliners the size of a 737 or larger and sitting well within an urban area. Believe me, it's amazing that Kai Tak has never had a disaster like that, considering that Hong Kong has so many skyscrapers so near the airport - and that Hong Kong is one of the most densely populated cities in the world.



Topic: RE: If A 707 Hit The World Trade Center?...
Username: Pacific    
Posted 2000-11-30 09:06:26 and read 77218 times.
It might survive it with heavy damage as the building still was standing after terrorists blew up the the car park and the foundaitons.

Pacific



Topic: RE: If A 707 Hit The World Trade Center?...
Username: Kaitak    
Posted 2000-11-30 13:44:14 and read 76273 times.
I recall reading a story that an Aerolineas Argie 707 came very close to doing the same thing (i.e. crashing into the Empire State) sometime in the '60s or '70s, but thankfully ATC managed to warn them in time.

I do believe that the result of a large airliner hitting a large modern building would be much closer to the EL AL incident than the B25 incident in '43. The 757/767 etc. would be much faster and heavier than the B25 so I wouldn't be too optimistic that the Empire State would survive either.

Hopefully, we'll never have to find out.



Topic: RE: If A 707 Hit The World Trade Center?...
Username: Greggj    
Posted 2000-11-30 18:54:10 and read 74822 times.
remember when el al hit the apartment house in Amsterdam...that should give you an idea.



Topic: RE: If A 707 Hit The World Trade Center?...
Username: Tom2katie    
Posted 2000-11-30 20:30:48 and read 74405 times.
You people need a hobby. Can we find something a little less morbid to fantasize about?




Topic: RE: If A 707 Hit The World Trade Center?...
Username: FlyVirgin744    
Posted 2000-11-30 21:24:06 and read 75623 times.
I'm pretty sure this is their hobby.   I'm not understanding why some think of this as a bad topic, I think it is a very good question. Just my .02.



Topic: RE: If A 707 Hit The World Trade Center?...
Username: KUGN    
Posted 2000-11-30 21:31:51 and read 74177 times.
In one post war winter, Newark airport had 3 aircraft crushes weeks apart, also due to buildings in the area at that time. There was a substantial publiuc preassure to close down the airport, but Port Authority managed to keep it open. There is an article about it in recent issue "Airways" magazine.

Anyone knows more?



Topic: RE: If A 707 Hit The World Trade Center?...
Username: Fanofjets    
Posted 2000-11-30 22:15:20 and read 73439 times.
The greatest danger any air crash over Manhattan would pose would be to people not in buildings but on the ground. In the late 1970s, the landing gear of a New York Airways S-61 landing on the Pan Am Building gave way, causing the helicopter to capsize. While thankfully nobody on board was killed, part of the rotor that broke off killed a person on the ground, prompting New York City banning all such flights (all Manhattan heliports are along the edge of the island).



Topic: RE: If A 707 Hit The World Trade Center?...
Username: Airafrique    
Posted 2000-11-30 22:37:57 and read 73828 times.
I am working in downtown New-York at the world trade center and when somebody is in the observation deck of the world trade center you see plane on approach to Laguardia aiport not far away from the building.Sometime you think that the plane is coming to hit the building.
And for your information planes do fly over Manhattan and I always think what if a pilote crashes a plane on us



Topic: RE: If A 707 Hit The World Trade Center?...
Username: Jabpilot    
Posted 2000-12-01 01:55:48 and read 73583 times.
I agree with Fanofjets. I would think more people would die on the ground from the result of falling debris, rather than the jet actually slamming into the building. Sure people would be killed and injured in the building but can you imagine an aircraft the size of a 707 "showering" down in pieces onto Manhattan! Jeff



Topic: RE: If A 707 Hit The World Trade Center?...
Username: USAFHummer    
Posted 2000-12-01 02:30:18 and read 73638 times.
The structure itself would survive, as the buildings are surrounded by other buildings, and thus only a hit could take place high up on the structure (meaning not at or reall near ground level) If it could somehow penetrate and hit the base, that would take it out completely, but a hit 500 or 600 feet up most likely wouldn't take out the whole thing.

Greg





Topic: RE: If A 707 Hit The World Trade Center?...
Username: An-225    
Posted 2000-12-01 02:43:00 and read 73240 times.
Well, let's see. December 1997 - An-124-100 crashes on top of a building on take-off. July 25, 2000 - Concorde slams into a hotel. See the consequences and think for yourself.



Topic: RE: If A 707 Hit The World Trade Center?...
Username: Redngold    
Posted 2000-12-01 03:54:00 and read 73410 times.
OK, I was referrring to the World Trade Center bombing when I wrote about a "terrorist attack." And yes, I know the collision was an Air Force B-29 piloted by a self-assured USAF officer flying in dense fog.

The normal flight path is down the Hudson River valley to New York Harbor, then either turn west (for EWR) or east (for LGA and JFK). Trust me, I used to watch the planes in NY all the time. The planes passing the World Trade Center observation deck appear very close, because the World Trade Center ob deck is 1,000 ft. up and very close to the Hudson River, and your perspective is skewed because there's nothing remotely that tall between the ob deck and the Hudson.

They're actually not as close as they seem.

redngold



Topic: RE: If A 707 Hit The World Trade Center?...
Username: Soku39    
Posted 2000-12-01 04:04:11 and read 73561 times.
Your nice and violent aren't you? I hope something like this doesn't happen but if it did, all pax and crew would most likely be killed and bystanders will get hit by a rain of debris from the building and jet killing them. (you know sharp glass jet engines nothing to bad  



Topic: RE: If A 707 Hit The World Trade Center?...
Username: MD-90    
Posted 2000-12-02 01:39:42 and read 78598 times.
OK, what's the biggest aircraft you think the towers could sustain an impact without toppling? I think a 737 or MD-80, slowed up for landing with gear and flaps out, shouldn't be going so fast that it'd fall. Then again, maybe it would. Either way, I'm sure no one wants to find out.



Topic: RE: If A 707 Hit The World Trade Center?...
Username: Meister808    
Posted 2000-12-02 04:01:22 and read 79485 times.
This scenario is really hellish... I think the flight disaster record (Tenerife, 1977, 582 dead) might get reset by a lot.

You would easily have 1500 or more, since you would have a 200 in the plane, at least 500 in the building, and a real s*itload on the ground. If the building managed to fall, there might be 5 or 6 thousand dead. Oh well. That's why they put a/c lights on buildings...

-Meister