Die Ignore-Funktion ist wirklich ein Traum ...
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Ich werde mich noch genauer darum kümmern und das in klarer Form hier vorstellen, aber hier schon mal, was es gibt:
für die Neuen, das Wichtigste zum Nachlesen
Re: Can someone start a Bopfan FAQ? 5 minutes ago "Can someone start a Bopfan FAQ? If it's already been done, please link me!"
leechungsr, or should I say leech.... participating here requires some work... but here's three links for you to work from...
bopfan - search.messages.yahoo.com/search
Viv - http://search.messages.yahoo.com/search?...
Mary - search.messages.yahoo.com/search
That's about as much spoonfeeding as I'll do ;)
Keep in mind that occasionally some of the bashers will make up aliases which "include" the word bopfan, etc. Make sure you're looking clearly at the "author" column to ensure you're reading the posts from the correct authors.
...*Catz
Was er sagt, geht in meine Denkrichtung:
I think the term "global settlement" would include all parties. I can't see getting a piece-meal settlement. I am also wondering if Weil et.al. has rejected a stock swap settlement from JPMC and is holding out for cash. If the FDIC kicks in $30B cash and JPMC keeps $4.4B cash, NOL's, $17B from WAMUfsb cash and in return gives us shares of JPMC how would that be a good deal for WAMU? If we come away with $52B cash we can write our own ticket. Reorganize or choose from many offers which would be sure to come from interested parties hungry for the cash.
Klar, denn hier geht es nicht um peanuts: JP MUSS in irgendener Weise Substanz abgeben:
Gib, Are you suggesting the prospect that a settlement might result in JPM simply "giving" WMI sufficient shares to match the settlement agreement?
For instance, (for sake of ease of math) if the settlement agreement was $50B, then with JPM selling at $50 per share, JPM would simply award WMI 1B shares of JPM stock?
Well, I think that's what you're saying.
If that happened, JPM's outstanding shares would go from 3.93B to 4.93B and WMI would own over 25% of JPM. That would seem to me to be a troubling prospect for JD -- that an outside entity with it's own board of directors and entire corporate structure would represent such a large voting block of JPM.
Considering the negativity of that prospect (Well, if I were JD, I'd consider it ugly in the extreme), I don't understand how such a scenario would benefit JD or JPM.
diverse meinungen und gedanken einiger us-user
Gib, Are you suggesting the prospect that a settlement might result in JPM simply "giving" WMI sufficient shares to match the settlement agreement?
For instance, (for sake of ease of math) if the settlement agreement was $50B, then with JPM selling at $50 per share, JPM would simply award WMI 1B shares of JPM stock?
Well, I think that's what you're saying.
If that happened, JPM's outstanding shares would go from 3.93B to 4.93B and WMI would own over 25% of JPM. That would seem to me to be a troubling prospect for JD -- that an outside entity with it's own board of directors and entire corporate structure would represent such a large voting block of JPM.
Considering the negativity of that prospect (Well, if I were JD, I'd consider it ugly in the extreme), I don't understand how such a scenario would benefit JD or JPM.
Further, if WMI were then able to subsequently prevail over FDIC for even more money, JD and JPM would not benefit from that.
Personally, (and I'm willing to entertain all scenarios), I think it would be far better for JD and JPM if WMI were merged into JPM (via stock swap) as a subsidiary (and retain Wiel and Quinn), and still go after FDIC. If that happened and WMI then prevailed against FDIC, that'd a win not only for WMI, but for JPM as well. And that win (if it happened) could offset some of the settlement $$$ JPM had to fork out.
My vote still goes for a stock swap that makes WMI as an independent trading vehicle go away.
Once that's done, everybody can decide for themselves individually if they wish to retain their JPM shares or sell them and call it a day.
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Speculation Sunday I like it Gib Zwinkern Obviously JPM and WMI would have to come up with a number thats satisfactory. JPM paying 50B by themselves isn't.
Weil would obviously put a number on the FDIC's culpability say the 13B plus damages (approx 20B). JPM could get say 5B from the FDIC (settlement to WMI), have the FDIC cover the 12B (14B - 1.9) in debt and future class actions. Costing the FDIC approx 20 - 25B. JPM converts the preferreds and restructures debt and swaps WMI's stock at a 3:1 ratio (at a $45 SP).
Regardless of JPM's influence over the FDIC and Bair. The OTS seized WAMU at the direction of the Government and the FDIC instantly became the responsible party. They are held responsible for the domino affect which occured. A 25B loss to cover the largest bank heist in history is still a win. JPM wins by getting WAMU cheaper than $8 a share because of all the negative goodwill, tax refunds, NOL's, cash (4.4B plus 10B from WMBfsb) earnings of 2B a QTR, 2239 branches (although FDIC kept some), IP property and so on. Once JPM receives cash from the FDIC their SP which takes a hit initially upon settlement rebounds.
Only problem with this scenario is if Mr Bonderman can put the bad blood aside and become part of JD's team?
All hypothetical and JMO.
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WMI has JPM/FDIC cornered with potentilly criminal activity. There is no way in the world if I was holding WMI cards that I would sell myself to that corrupt outfit. I would demand cash/stock to pay for their part.
If JPM's part is 25 billion, I would demand 50 billion if they wanted to pay in stock to offset any dillution that WILL occur. In other words anything they want to settle with, other than cash has to be twice that amount.
You have to understand if WMI gets 24.00 cash, that means somebody is willing to pay 48.00 per share with a stock transaction; such as GS or WFC. It would be insane for WMI to sell completely to JPM for 24.00 per share; lock stock and barrel.
messages.finance.yahoo.com/Stocks_%28A_to_Z%29/Stocks…
Nur meine Meinung. Keine Kaufs-oder Verkaufsempfehlung.
Honni soit qui mal y pense!
Hier der Link
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Vor allem der letzte Absatz entspricht dem, was ich seit langem denke.
Da muss was passieren, und zwar etwas Substanzielles.
Gute Nacht.
Also ein Problem hat E 13 ja :
Wenn er ein "professioneller" ist - dann muss er ja die ganze Zeit schizophren sein - da er ja dann genau weiss, das die Aktie steigt, er dann sicherlich auch investiert ist - aber die ganze zeit immer "kontra" schreiben muss.
Klar, und das unterscheidet seine Worte ganz deutlich von allen anderen Schreibern!
Kann man hören!
In seiner Diktion ist der Widerspruch fühlbar. Genauso wie seine "Spuren", die er findet, immer im Sand verlaufen.
E13 findet komischerweise keine Belege für das, was er sagt.
Das muss nicht heissen, dass er nicht Sekundanten im Forum hat. Er ist sicher nicht der einzige.
ehrensache!
die infos die du hier anbringst sind sehr wichtig um ein forum "leben" zu lassen!
egal wie du dich hier ausdrückst es sind deine worte und jeder drückt sich anders aus.
ich persönlich lese deine infos, argumente und überlegungen sehr gerne. lass dich nicht von leuten abschrecken die das nicht verstehen! weiter so!
schade dass du nicht mehr im anderen forum bist!
But sometimes I can't resist, and since it's "Speculation Sunday", why not?
Klar, tu ich auch so gerne !!!!!!! Wofür hab ich schliesslich meine Phantasie ?
(Ob wir noch einen "Speculation Sunday" erleben oder ob's morgen vorbei ist?)
Gute Nacht
ganz ehrlich, ich kanns nicht mehr hören. diese ganzen spekulationen bringen einem gar nichts . und dadurch dass hier meinungen von amis gepostet werden, ist zwar nett und manchmal auch interessant zu lesen, aber muss man jeden komentar den man auf englisch findet hier reinposten ? meint ihr die sind schlauer ? haben mehr infos ? die reden genauso gequirlt wie manch user hier.
und nun werde ich auch mal persönlich, bitte fatmamen mach das, was du schreibst, es geht um wamu und nicht um zahlen, ( ich bin die 7 du bist die 1 ich hab wamus und du hast keins )... so ein bloedsinn. ich hab heute morgen kaffee verschuettet, der fleck sah aus wie ne 7. bekommen wir nun 7 dollar pro share ? muessen wir 7 wochen warten auf ein urteil ?
man man man.
wenn einer was weiß, auffälligkeiten da sind, auf englisch was gepostet wird, was sinn macht, bitte posten, aber bitte nicht so ein quatsch.
oli
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