Ich hatte schon im Januar auf diese Buden aufmerksam gemacht, ich kopier den Text noch einmal hier rein.... der ursprüngliche Thread ist leider weg.
Ich poste hier nur die Wahrheit.
Dies Board dient zum "Informationsaustausch", also möchte ich meine Erfahrung hier reinstellen.
Um deine Fehlinformation nochmal zu korrigieren.. neben den laufenden Verfahren mit der Refco-Group allgemein, gibt es auch Fälle gegen die Forex-Töchter selbst.
Hier der gesamte Text, plus Erfahrungsbericht und original Links.
"New York (Feb 16) – Forex Capital Markets, LLC (FXCM), the New York-based foreign currency dealer, has been charged in a major fraud investigation being prosecuted by the U.S. Commodity Futures Trading Commission. A CFTC complaint filed in the United States District Court for the Southern District of Florida yesterday names FXCM, its client Gibraltar Monetary Corporation, Inc., and four Gibraltar employees – Thomas J. Clancy, Charles I. Fremer, Jayson S. Kline, and Edward T. Johnson – as participants in fraudulent currency options trading solicitations. Mr. Kline, the President of Gibraltar, had previously been prosecuted by the CFTC for similar illegal activities in 1993.
FXCM opened at least 267 client accounts through Gibraltar, taking in $3,022,998.29 in client funds. FXCM paid $879,379 in commissions to Gibraltar, even though most of the customers’ funds were lost trading or paid to Gibraltar and FXCM in compensation and fees. FXCM is charged with failure to adequately supervise Gibraltar’s fraudulent activities and reportedly “was aware that Gibraltar’s customers were not receiving regular monthly account statements.” Furthermore, the CFTC’s complaint states “FXCM knew or should have known about Kline’s disciplinary history because such information was readily available from the NFA of which FXCM is a member.” The CFTC also notes that “Gibraltar’s customers were unable to gain access to their account information because FXCM’s website was not functioning properly.”...
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www.forex-markets.com/NewswireFXCM.htmKickbacks:
""FXCM Customer Agreement/ Referral Disclosure/
#8Client understands and acknowledges FXCM may comensate Reffering Agent for introducing Client to FXCM and that such compensation may be on a per- trade basis. Such compensation may incur a mark-up, above and beyond the ordinary spread generally provided by FXCM. Further the Client has the right to be informed of the precise nature of such compersation."
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Spread, Fill Problems:
" FXCM discretionaly removes previously accepted entry orders at news release
As per Mishak's suggestion I'm disclosig the incident and broker's name here.
I guess the best way to explain what happened is to post the chat conversation I had with an FXCM representative this morning.
I'm posting in the spirit of advising the community to be prepared for this type of order manipulation if they trade with FXCM. This is not gossip and I'm not a furious client; It's simply what FXCM consider as normal practice under fast market conditions -as expressed by one of their representatives-.
Please wait for a site operator to respond.
You are now chatting with 'FXCM-'
FXCM-: Welcome to FXCM's Live Chat feature. You are now chatting with an FXCM representative. How can I help you?
you: Hello, An entry order was not ecxecuted. The platform seems to have erased it from the log
FXCM-: one moment
FXCM-: yes it was not executed because the price never existed. For example if you are tyring to trade on news like right now. By putting in an entry order away from the market right now. The price may not exist or good chances it wont
FXCM-: therefor we will not be able to honor that price and that is why you cant put in an entry order
you: I don't trade by news I trade by a system
you: The point is that the order was accepted previously
FXCM-: if you were trading with banks right now they might not even process a trade in volatile situation. we just can honor your entry orders because if the market gaps up 100 pips an the price never existed you will not be filled and we wont fill it
FXCM-: but you have to remember no banks or trading firm in the world
FXCM-: will give you a quote if the price never EXISTED
you: If I recall correctly the ticket is 2626384
FXCM-: are you on demo or live
you: live
FXCM-: you are telling me your put an entry order when?
you: I understand that you don't accept some orders depending on market conditions
FXCM-: 20 minutest ago?
FXCM-: 1 min
you: Something like that
FXCM-: but remember adnormal conditions entry orders will not be accepted even if it was before
FXCM-: we cannot honor entry orders because if the price gaps and the price never existed we will not and cannot fill you at that price
FXCM-: no one will
FXCM-: its a simplte concept
you: So yoou can discretionally removed a previosuly accepted order, with a corresponding ticket number?
FXCM-: no matter if you put enry order last year
FXCM-: NO will explain
you: Depending on market conditions
FXCM-: druing abnormal market conditions entry orders are not allowed BUT you can put market order and ALL stops and limits to close out positions WILL BE GUARANTEED AND HONOR
FXCM-: but if you put entry orders at prices THAT WILL NOT EXIST
FXCM-: we will not honor them and NO INSTITUTION WILL
FXCM-: no matter where you go to trade
FXCM-: we want to be fair to clients
FXCM-: and that is fair you dont get prices that dont exist
you: Understood, but what happens with the orders that you have previously accepted
FXCM-: like i said if its entry order
FXCM-: entry order will be canceled or not allowed if abnormal conditions
FXCM-: if you put entry order at 1.200 yesterday befor today numbers
FXCM-: let say the price is 1.1950
FXCM-: let say the price before numbers was 1.980
FXCM-: 1.1980
FXCM-: and then numbers are out
FXCM-: market jumps to 1.2500
FXCM-: you price never existed
FXCM-: therefore your entry order if allowed to be in system
FXCM-: will have to be filled
FXCM-: and no INSTITUCION WILL ALLOW THAT
FXCM-: THEY WILL ALL GO OUT OF BUSINESS
FXCM-: and its not fair and not right
FXCM-: prices never existed
FXCM-: that is why you are not allowed to put entry oders during abnormal market conditions
FXCM-: but we GUARANTEE ALL STOPS AND LIMITS TO CLOSE OUT POSITOONS
FXCM-: will will take the lost for that because we want to protect our clients
FXCM-: u can enter the market by putting in market order
you: What doesn't seem fair to me is that you can remove a previosuly accepted order at discretion. I comprehend your arguments but do not agree with them. I ahve had live accounts with MGFG, SAXO and FX Solutions and no one has ever removed a previously accepted order to me
FXCM-: but put tight stops
you: I guess we have both understood each other
you: Thanks for your time
FXCM-: i would challenge you to go trade with them and compare our services.
FXCM-: see if they honor your prices like we do
FXCM-: during volatile sitiutaion
FXCM-: there is a reason why we ahve 40,000 clients and the closest competitor has 8000
FXCM-: we honor our prices and we are fair
FXCM-: try trading with our competitors during volatile situation
FXCM-: see if they can offer you the same execution and liquidity
you: Yes, you are fair and you honor prices; and to do so you use the capanbility to remove accepted orders
FXCM-: well i tried to explain to you why we do that but i guess i have failed
you: You did explain the reasons very well
you: And I understand them. I just thought it wasn't part of the game to have the hability to remove orders at will
you: But that's your policy and I respect it
FXCM-: yes i understand.
FXCM-: i appreciate that thank you
you: Thanks for your time
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29-04-2004 19:29
mishak
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slippage
The order described here should be executed with slippage, not cancelled by the broker. The size of slippage depends on market conditions and broker."
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"posted 04 May, 2004 14:38 My two cents' worth on this topic:
Playing the Refco demo account, I found that my buy/sell orders were frequently rejected because the price had moved within the two or three seconds it took the Internet/Refco server to process the request.
Again, to anyone complaining about slippage, I invite you to experience the frustation of having your attempts at buying and/or selling a currency DENIED, and denied again, and again, and AGAIN, because oops!, the price has moved."
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FXCM The game of FX
I am pissed. l had a buy stop . On the trade figure, EUR takes off. My order sits there. FXCM quotes are way behind. I thought about lifting their below the market offer as I have done this once before but didn't, might just cause problems... After 3 minutes my order is still pending. In the meantime their quotes have caught up and my order should have been triggered a long time ago. Now the market is coming back down fast. That's when FXCM executes my buy order. Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!
when I saw that sh*t I got out even. EUR then spiked back up. What a joke!!
So it took them 4 minutes to execute my order or to show it as executed in the meantime I had no idea if I was in or not. So I could not liquidate if I wanted to. 4 min. is an eternity, EUR can move 1 cent in that time these days.
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Right.
www2.oanda.com/cgi-bin/msgbo...ic;f=8;t=000416