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OK...today the courtroom was ready for a showdown...packed for the first time in months and lots of new faces.

Some observations:

1) There are still some parties that are not fully part of the negotiated settlement...again, I ask WHY? Answer...they don't need to be there...they will be ok (answer is IMHO)

2) Again, housekeeping items, that while scheduled previously, seem to continue the recent practice of tidying things up.

3) Several discussions between Debtor and other parties...more so than usual and at one point I overheard BR thank two attorneys and ask if they included specific numbers. Those attorneys never stood to speak, and BR didn't reference anything today with numbers, other than the dates of the hearings...but he absolutely asked about numbers, not dates in his conversation.

4) There seemed to be a real urgency in the voices of many of the attorneys that did speak...almost as though if they didn't get their point across now, they would forever lose the opportunity...w a settlement on the way.

5) Although disappointing, I think the previous timeframe established by BR to get all parties to agree and write the docs was too aggressive, he seemed much more committal today with JMW on the 17th as the filing date.

6) Again, no one from EC, other than local co was there...are they stupid or do they think/know they've got the goods?

7) Art's comment to me about the irony of those who everyone said were worthless now being in control of the whole thing was interesting...fwiw, we talked very generally about settlement and I through out $20/share at one point to try and get a read...and he said, that's not happening. Again, FWIW!

8) I found it interesting that JMW was chomping at the bit to hear about the POR7...

9) On a slightly more humorous note...Art mentioned that he sometimes reads here, and knew that I had a slight crush on him :)

OK, pepper me w questions...the heat is making me slow and I didn't have time to review the tweets...

Ilene

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Zitat ilenes:

OK...today the courtroom was ready for a showdown...packed for the first time in months and lots of new faces.

Some observations:

1) There are still some parties that are not fully part of the negotiated settlement...again, I ask WHY? Answer...they don't need to be there...they will be ok (answer is IMHO)

2) Again, housekeeping items, that while scheduled previously, seem to continue the recent practice of tidying things up.

3) Several discussions between Debtor and other parties...more so than usual and at one point I overheard BR thank two attorneys and ask if they included specific numbers. Those attorneys never stood to speak, and BR didn't reference anything today with numbers, other than the dates of the hearings...but he absolutely asked about numbers, not dates in his conversation.

4) There seemed to be a real urgency in the voices of many of the attorneys that did speak...almost as though if they didn't get their point across now, they would forever lose the opportunity...w a settlement on the way.

5) Although disappointing, I think the previous timeframe established by BR to get all parties to agree and write the docs was too aggressive, he seemed much more committal today with JMW on the 17th as the filing date.

6) Again, no one from EC, other than local co was there...are they stupid or do they think/know they've got the goods?

7) Art's comment to me about the irony of those who everyone said were worthless now being in control of the whole thing was interesting...fwiw, we talked very generally about settlement and I through out $20/share at one point to try and get a read...and he said, that's not happening. Again, FWIW!

8) I found it interesting that JMW was chomping at the bit to hear about the POR7...

9) On a slightly more humorous note...Art mentioned that he sometimes reads here, and knew that I had a slight crush on him :)

OK, pepper me w questions...the heat is making me slow and I didn't have time to review the tweets...

Ilene



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MfG.L:)

Within this context we free marketeers don’t have a lot of room to maneuver. Given that, some of these new banking rules aimed at preventing some of these big banks’ more egregious behaviors might actually help the situation until (if?) the cavalry arrives. No, I am not advocating more regulation, but within a fractional reserve banking system with a money printer of last resort (the Fed) we at least ought to try to not go backwards.

Many of these new rules revolve around what is known as Basel III as well as the Dodd-Frank Act. The essence of these rules require lenders to have more capital and liquid reserves and limit their lending activities in the housing market especially.

Capital Requirements

For example, Basel III (Basel Committee on Banking Supervision), the policy-making supranational quasi-regulatory authority that most major countries adhere to, has increased capital requirements for banks:


The officials last year agreed to more than double the minimum common equity requirement for banks to 4.5 percent from 2 percent of assets weighted for risk. Banks will also be asked to maintain a “capital conservation” buffer of as much as 2.5 percent common equity in periods of “excess credit growth,” bringing total common equity requirements to as high as 7 percent of assets weighted for risk. The capital buffer for systemically important firms would come on top of this new standard.


Now the Too Big to Fail (TBTF) banks (that should have failed but for the bailouts) are complaining. Previously such banks were only required to keep a 3% to 4% reserve requirement. The formula is complicated, but there are various tiers of capital requirements each with different capital requirements.

Rest unter
www.minyanville.com/businessmarkets/...2011/id/35022?page=full

Gruß
Dude44

ACHTUNG - VERSCHWÖRUNGSTHEORIE !

Können wir mit absoluter Sicherheit sagen, daß wir NICHT ausgebucht werden ?

Natürlich hänge ich im übertragenen Sinn"an den Lippen" unserer Koryphäen, hänge gierig an jeder Veröffentlichung vernünfig erscheinender  Posts und falle immer wieder in ein tiefes Loch nach jeder euphorischen Ankündigung eines neuen Gerichtstermins und der darauf folgenden Verschiebung.
Ist es trotz aller positiven Meldungen denkbar, daß durch die permanenten Verschiebungen eine weitere Sauerei vorbereitet wird, um uns auszubooten ?

Ich verstehe das Auf und Ab des Kurses nicht.
Diesen Typen muß doch klar sein, daß wir bei Niedrigkursen unsere Bestände erhöhen und somit letztlich deutlich höhere Kosten verursachen. Kann das unseren Gegnern irgend einen Vorteil bringen ? Oder denke ich in falschen Größenordnungen, weil die paar Millionen $$$ Penauts für die Burschen sind  ?

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Zitat wamuvoodoo:

someone posted yesterday about tps being involved with the hedgies..it's obvious now they are ...and look at the comment bout this new plan being significantly different than the previous one
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ZItat William48:

To wamuvoodoo: WONDERFUL observation! When I heard him utter that comment, I wondered: "how does he know that?" "How does he even know that one exists?"

Several weeks ago, someone posted that SG would ultimately have to "back-stab" TPS. I thought that strange, as I considered TPS to be an ally of equity. But now I don't; and I'm beginning to understand why SG doesn't as well.

PERCEPTIVE of you wamuvoodoo!!!!!
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ZItat marayatano:

Quote:
Several weeks ago, someone posted that SG would ultimately have to "back-stab" TPS. I thought that strange, as I considered TPS to be an ally of equity. But now I don't; and I'm beginning to understand why SG doesn't as well.


This was the post investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=63111708 :

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marayatano Member Profile marayatano Share Saturday, May 14, 2011 2:34:41 PM
Re: william48 post# 289709 Post # of 305287


Here is one scenario why no one filed an objection other than TPS:

Commons have a $7.5 billion (plus deficit in the HUQ) hurtle be be .01 in the money.

There could be a revised GSA w/ a revision to the POR (the NEW settlement talks behind the scenes), in that TPS (hence their objection only being filed) was cut out of recovery except for the 50 million distribution to them as consideration for releases. It is a forced release in the POR.

You essentially lop off $4 billion going to TPS and redirect the waterfall to commons. Therefore, commons only face a $3.5 billion hurtle (plus HUQ deficit). This achieves releases from all parties, preferreds, commons and TPS by way of force, ie, $50 million distribution.

TPS is essentially going to be back stabbed by EC. TPS filing objection is a CYA filing.

HF have no choice but to agree and start to accumulate non-restricted ownership securities to make the best of obtaining shares of the reorganized WMI2.

Strictly my speculation.


imo
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ZItat william48:

Thank you marayatano: when I first read your post I didn't believe that such action could take place, especially against the guys who stood up for Nate at the February 28th hearing. But now, I see what you mean, and the handwriting (in blood) appears to be on the wall for TPS.

And as to Rockie's comment (as I only have a few remaining posts available to me today): I absolutely feel that we are not heading back to POR6. Too much has transpired. Too much has been learned. POR6 represents a $400M barrier that's standing in the way of a $2 to $4B (at minimum, and not counting any undisclosed assets) boulder that's racing toward it. There is no conceivable way that Rosen will put himself in the position of having to defend such stupidity at this late date.

You can now hear it in his voice.
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MfG.L:)

http://www.ariva.de/...KN_893906_News_t364286?page=5630#jumppos140769

verlassen.
Ich beobachte das schon seit Anfang an mit Misstrauen, und wer weiss, was man bei Übersetzungen alles machen kann, verlässt sich auf alles andere als auf seinen Feind, um ihm ausgerechnet die Übersetzungen zu liefern!

Abgesehen davon macht er das nur, um sich ins Spiel zu bringen, weil er überall rausfliegt. Ein weiterer Grund, ihn zu ignorieren.

Um es mit einem abgewandelten früheren SWF3-Spruch zu sagen:
Agathe schüttelt mit dem Kopf.


Gruss, St. JCF

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ZItat william48:

Wonderful work on your part ilenes. May I ask ... what was the demeanor of the attorney for TPS. More and more it appears that a train is leaving the station and he's not aboard. Do you sense any degree of anxiety? He wanted to address the issue and the judge cut him off (somewhat rudely even). Is it beginning to get to him?

Be well.
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ZItat Ilenes:

good catch! of all the attorneys there today, he was one of the most grim...facially expression, demeanor...

on that note, there does seem to be a feeling of kumbaya in the courtroom :)

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MfG.L:)

woher das wohl kommt?

ich glaub ich hab mich etwas übernommen!


isch doch richtig oder!?

Es sieht wie schon oft geschrieben wohl so aus, das die Aktionäre keine Entschädigung bekommen, dafür aber Anteile an der NewCo - nichts neues  

Übersetzt aus der Bloomberg-News:
Nichts für Aktionäre

Sollte der vorläufige Deal unter WaMu, die Hedge-Fonds und Aktionäre auseinander fallen, WaMu würde weitermachen mit seinem aktuellen Sanierungsplan am 5. Juli, sagte Rosen. Nach diesem Plan würden die Aktionäre leer ausgehen.
Im Rahmen des Vergleichs würden die Aktionäre ihre Untersuchung der Hedge-Fonds im Austausch für Stammaktien an dem neuen Unternehmen und Finanzierung für einen Rechtsstreit einstellen. Der Funding Trust würde dann durch weitere Klagen versuchen Geld einzutreiben. Der Funding Trust würde zunächst mit 5.000.000 $ finanziert werden und später Zugang zu weiteren  $ 25.000.000 haben, sagte WaMu

Ist doch eigentlich positiv - jetzt müssten wir noch mal zusammenstellen, was an verwertbaren Werten wie Verlustvorträgen, Banklizenz + Einlagen (165 Mio Dollar) zum Neustart uns bringen würden...??? Wie bewertet man dann den Wert der Aktie?

hast doch 2,9 ct € gekauft, steck das einfach weg, wenn du bei 11 ct gekauft hast, egal!

Biss zum 5.7.2011 kann noch viel passieren und biss dahin wird Druck auf JPM aufgebaut.

... isses doch Erpressung. Rosen will, daß das EC aufhört in Dreck der Hedgefonds zu wühlen, oder er versucht mit aller Gewalt sein POR 6 durchzubringen. Einigt man sich, dann gibts für die Aktionäre ein Stück vom neuen Kuchen. Aber wie groß ist der Kuchen und das Stück. 5:1, 10:1, 100:1 Altaktien gegen Neue?

ein posting zu den TPS aus w.o....

"Für mich sind die heutigen Ausagen von Rosen (mehrere Termeinvereinbarungsversuche mit den TPS-Holdern) und den TPS-Anwälten (keine Beteiligung an den Verhandlungen) völlig unverständlich.

Aber daß sich die TPS-Holder letztendlich tatsächlich aus der Nummer rausdrängen lassen und mit den 50 Millionen von JPM beleidigt abziehen, das kann (!) ich mir im Moment nicht vorstellen.

Außerdem: gäbe es klare Anzeichen, daß die TPS auf welchen Wege auch immer aus den Planungen zu PoR 7 bzw. dem Beteiligungs-Deal an der Reorg rausflögen (was ich mir allein schon aus rechtlichen Gründen nicht vorstellen kann), dann hätten m. E. die Preferreds heute anziehen müssen.
Nimm nur mal an, daß man bei optimistischer Betrachtung 100 bis 150 Mio Mio. "Mehr"-Wert in der Reorg für die Class 19 + 20 zumindest auf dem Papier darstellen würde, dann wären die Preferreds auf einmal mit so etwas wie einer "fundamentalen" Phantasie ausgestattet und würden zu einer Art "normaler" Aktie...."

ich bin in meinem ganzen leben seit ich internet habe noch nie so lange am computer gesessen!

das fing erst alles an
als ich mit dem wamu virus infiziert wurde

und selbst die forschung hier hat bis heute kein gegenmittel gefunden!


isch doch richtig oder!?

Keiner kann Dir versichern dass es eine null geben könnte, zumindest keiner von uns.

Und zu dem Bestanderhöhen ist es dem jenigen der zahlt völlig egal ob du die Anteile hast oder der dem du Sie abgekauft hast. Nur die, welcher derjenige nicht hat, muss er bezahlen. Der Niedrige Kurs könnte nur für diese Partei gut sein, wenn es um einen XX % Aufschlag gehen würde, denn dann ist es natürlich besser wenn dieser Ausgangpunkt low ist.

Denke aber der Kurs wird noch einige Ausschläge nach oben und leider auch nach unten machen und wer weis, ob er nicht auch bei 0,0001 stehen wird bevor es eine Entschädigung gibt.

Überlege immer, was Du an der Stelle des anderen machen würdest und es könnte etwas klarer sein was er vor hat.

 

nur meine Meinung natürlich

 

Postings heute hier ! Achtung IRONIE, wenn ihr wisst was das ist...

Bis auf wenige Ausnahmen ist der Thread leider zum DUMPFBACKEN-THREAD geworden...

OK Ariva, ihr wollt das ja so haben, wenn ihr Plusq. mehr Sperrungseinrechte einräumen würdet, würde das hier anscheinend anders aussehen!!

Und an unseren "CLUB" : ich sehe das auch so, dass so einiges mal wieder "gesteuert" wurde, man könnte auch sagen, manipuliert wurde...

Dicke Klonk-Grüße

und

$$$$$$$$$$$$

MacBull

Schublade.  Weniger ist mehr und das werde ich in Zukunft auch auf mich anwenden.

Schönen Abend allen noch.

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I suppose the nuts on this board can get to anybody. If after the court's opinion was published I'd said we'd get $20+ per share I could understand if readers thought I'd lost my bearings.

My opinions today are based on realistic assessment of the changed circumstances; to wit: in her opinion the court put a limit on the ability of equity to go after JPM and the FDIC. When I saw that I realized that unless the EC could get enough value to cram down the Hs, equity -- including preferreds -- would be cooked. Fortunately, Nate Thoma's allegations had legs and the EC used a shareholder's research (although JPM had made the same allegations over 18 months before) to lead us to our current position which is a seat at the bargaining table. Notwithstanding, and I think this is what is bothering some of the cranks out there, the fact that we now have $7.4B in preferreds including the TPS, means that unless either (1) the EC can show that the reorganized company has value in excess of $7.4B or (2) money from the SNs or JPM/FDIC comes into the waterfall there will NOT be enough to pay off the total $7.4B in preferreds and given that TPS' counsel said it will rigidly enforce the absolute priority rule, that means commons will be wiped out. What I heard from the TPS attorney about the APR and the POR 7 being D.O.A. unless TPS receives 100% of its claim was heard by everyone in the courtroom or listening to the hearing via conference call. It is what it is, and today's remarks by TPS counsel indicate TPS is unlikely to soften its position.

Now for the good news. JBerg's excellent research and presentation illustrated what is San Andreas Fault of the GSA, namely the fact that it does NOT release the FDIC's corporate entity, FDIC-C. Now that the GSA parties can modify the GSA (i.e., we're past the 5/31 date) the FDIC can decide to amend the GSA to kick in some cash for equity, and I believe it will do precisely that.

Furthermore, JPM has reason to want to rid itself of TPS' appeal, so it, too, is likely to kick in $ (probably from its share of the tax refunds) to buy off TPS, which is the same as buying off equity.

Accordingly, there is reason to believe common will get a distribution. However, it is unlikely to come through a jury verdict or litigated settlement through Judge Collyer's good offices. Very likely it will be because the FDIC and JPM have kicked in enough $ to cram down all classes above common.

I hope this gives you some solace. It is a realistic assessment of our position. As a holder of both preferreds and commons I want both to receive a distribution, but I am very happy to have my preferreds as insurance.

also ich lehne mich mal aus dem fenster (allerdings nicht in bezug auf schweineschwänzchen)
ausbuchung ist vom tisch
das ec ist in den verhandlungen mit mister pig/rosen
dem träger des oben genannten ringelteils
für mich als bekennenden laiens dieses verfahrens
(ich weiss ich bin leghasteniker wenn ich in fast drei jahren immer noch nicht begreife wie dieses spiel wirklich funktioniert)
ed sargent hat heute beim hearing einfach mal vom telefon aus angekündigt das die aktionen des ec weiterlaufen wenn es irgendwelche irrationalen abwege des mr.pig in dem verfahren geben sollte.
das ist für mich einfach mal ein gesetztes zeichen
weniger tolerante beobachter würden es als drohung bezeichnen
wenn ich vor gericht in einer so passablen position wäre
halleluja,i feel good

und zu dir schweineschwänzchen(sorry den konnte ich mir nicht verkneifen) :-)
bin ich in einem us amerikanischen wert investiert in dem es gerichtlich um die sprichwörtliche wurst geht,dann kann und darf ich mich nicht darauf verlassen das gerade die jpm fraktion (und damit lehne ich mich wieder aus dem fenster)
ALLES ordnungsgemäss übersetzt
aber
und da ist keine freude oder trauer in diesem aber
es war korrekt
und jetzt ist es passiert
ein sjf irgendwas zwingt mich positiv über den zweiten grauen balken zu schreiben
sorry für zu lang
gute nacht

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Zitat Ilenes:

I am learning to respond to the tweet questions...but a couple of times I tried and needed to get back to tweeting information...a work in progress! (will probably stop responding from court and answer all afterwards)

Art Steinberg, the DIMEQ attorney and very sharp wit and generally relaxed persona in court...always make us laugh!
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Zitat Hurlserv  :

Re: "...$20/share at one point to try and get a read...and he said, that's not happening. Again, FWIW!"

NUTZ! :(

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Zitat ilenes:

yeah, I know...

but that was a direct payment...not that the reorg co wouldn't be worth that at some point... :)
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ZItat Shomidamoni:

Who was the lawyer you were speaking to when you said this? Here's a great tidbit...atty says to me "how ironic, the ones who had 'no value' will be setting the value for this whole thing"
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Zitat ilenes:

That was Art Steinberg. When I first got to court, there were three other people, including the two attorneys who had settlement info for BR (did you include specific numbers). They were sitting in "my spot" in the front row. They moved to sit in front of the bar, but I was busy reading or texting...so missed the opportunity to move up a row. When I looked up, Chas Smith was in front of me, and Art had sat down next to me. Remember, these guys all know me now, so we often chat, although usually about nothing in particular. Today, Art and I had a conversation where we talked about settlement in general, the boards and then his hard won right to continue the proceeding in september.
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Zitat hotstock19 :

So this is one of the things that confuses me. Everyone keeps saying settlement and we are "Getting paid". So is everyone hoping for the estate to pay commons a few dollars to go away or do we want the shares in the emerging company plus the operating losses which I think I would rather, our shares in the the new co would be worth much more than a settlement would probably bring.
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Zitat ilenes:

you're right...the shares in the new reorg will likely be worth way more than anything we might be paid initially. then it becomes a question of patience...
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Zitat   Bizreader:

That's what I want! KUMBAY F'n YA Yesterday!

But next Friday will have to do !
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Zitat ilenes:

I was almost ready to hold hands and start singing...but there are some attorneys there who didn't seem like they were quite ready to do that...

its funny, before confirmation hearings in Dec, I was seen as an oddity...coming to court everytime, but ultimately harmless. now I get the cold shoulder from some who used to always speak to me, as though I'm the enemy :) I really should bring a big mirror to court!
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Zitat soufeast :

7) Art's comment to me about the irony of those who everyone said were worthless now being in control of the whole thing was interesting...fwiw, we talked very generally about settlement and I through out $20/share at one point to try and get a read...and he said, that's not happening. Again, FWIW!

Ilene do u think Art was referring to not getting an answer or not getting 20/ps
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Zitat ilenes:

$20.

I very purposely through out that number to watch the reaction and try and gauge what he knew...not certain whether he knows anything or not, but his instant reaction was, no...I don't see that happening!!
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Zitat XOM:

You know, a picture is worth a thousand words... when you threw out $20 PPS how did Steinberg's body language and tone of voice, from light conversational to a serious frown, or to incredulity ("what the F are you smoking, Ilene!?")... I will use "The many moods of Homer Simpson" as a reference:



It is THRILLING to hear that the Equity Committee is setting the value of POR 7 (which for all intents and purposes is what will be finalized).

GLTA
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Zitat ilenes:

I took his reaction to be borderline bemusement with that number, as much as what have you been smoking, Ilene?? He actually asked whether shareholders were happy with the deal to get ownership in the new reorg...so as I answered, I said I thought some were good, some would prefer to receive a cash payment of $20...
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Zitat joe513 :

Ilenes,

Did the judge seem at all sympathetic to Ms. Martin's predicament and her argument? It seems she is one person fighting Goliath.
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ZItat ilenes:

That was an interesting situation. Martin had been portrayed as a highly qualified attorney, who was highly paid while at WMI. The fact that she was unfamiliar with local laws regarding BK, probably confused JMW, and so I thought the outcome was fair. I would say JMW was less sympathetic than she was surprised and tolerant of a poorly prepared attorney in her courtroom
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Zitat xoom :

"...set expectations low...then its easier to be pleasantly surprised :)"

Exactly.
So where do you think we should set our expectations ?
We now know < 20 based on the conversation you had with AS :)
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Zitat ilenes:

well, I suppose I need to revise my former guesstimate of between .16 and a bazillion to

between $.16 and $19 :)

really, probably some payout now and mostly shares...that's as far as I will guess!!
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Zitat Bluzie2:

On Steinberg -

Ilene, do you think he's pushing for the September trial because DIMEQ is excluded from the settlement, or because the settlement hasn't been finalized yet? Or maybe he's positioning within the final settlement that's being haggled.

I've long thought there's no settlement without DIMEQ, because of the absolute priority rule, but I guess if the common get cash rather than stock in the reorganized company, it's possible DIMEQ could be paid out of the claims reserves with any remaining funds reverting to common.

Anyway, any thoughts or impressions would be much appreciated!
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Zitat ilenes:

the September date has been on the docket for quite some time, but I did feel more of a sense of urgency today...not so much from Art, who always argues passionately, but from Adam, who is more bland in court. he was the most passionate I'd seen today.
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Zitat BK1505:

so did our crossed fingers and toes help or not lol? Reaction on the hearing was like always, that panic sellers gave their shares into other hands...but this is not important for us longs.

Important is what feeling do you have about the delay to the 17th and what can we expect on that day!!! Will it be the final deadline for POR 6.5 or 7 or whatever?
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Zitat ilenes:

in response, there was a question posted to me on FB which I haven't had time yet to answer, but it brings up a good point...the deadline for the EC to object to POR 6ish is this Friday, 6/10 but the deadline for filing the POR 7 is not until the following week. No one from the EC addressed this potential issue...that of extending the deadline to the 17th, so that it would concurrent with the filing of the POR 7...

I do think that JMW is growing weary and will exert some pressure here to keep things moving.
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MfG.L:)

ein paar auszüge, ich dachte mir, wir beenden den tag besser mit schallendem gelächter:

10:14] ROSEN: YOUR HONOR I THINK WE'RE IN VIOLENT AGREEMENT. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I SAID.

...


COFFEY: OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE TWO SIDES TO A COIN, YOUR HONOR -

COURT: I DON'T NEED TO HEAR BOTH.

wenn das jemand übersetzen möchte, ich habe so das gefühl, walrath nimmt die sache etwas "zu ernst", grins.

2 Tage, 800 Posts, da stellt sich mir doch die Frage ob die WAMU-Life-Balance bei einigen noch ausgewogen ist...

Ich finde heute war seit langer Informationsdürre wieder etwas interessantes zu erfahren.

1. Das EC benötgt weiter Zeit für Investigations. Das bedeutet nicht das weitere Deposition notwendig sind. Im Gegenteil. Wir sollten uns erinnern, dass die Anhörungstermine storniert wurden. Hier die Docs dazu:
http://www.kccllc.net/documents/0812229/0812229110524000000000016.pdf
http://www.kccllc.net/documents/0812229/0812229110525000000000012.pdf
http://www.kccllc.net/documents/0812229/0812229110525000000000013.pdf
Stattdessen hat das Gericht der Beauftragung der Steuerexperten BDO genehmigt. Wenn es also um "further investigation" geht http://www.ariva.de/...N_893906_News_t364286?page=5623#jumppos140587, dann wohl eher durch BDO als durch das EC bzw. deren Anwälte.

2. Wird es wohl weit länger dauern als erwartet. Wir erinnern uns, dass bei der letzten Anhörung ein Termin für das Disclosure Statement am 29.06. feste gelegt wurde. Dieser wird nun um eine weitere Woche verschoben.  http://www.kccllc.net/impDateDocs.asp?D=5118&T=B Die Objection Deadline wird auch verschoben.

Ich finde, nichts davon ist schlimm. Im Gegenteil, es hat sich nichts geändert, eher verbessert. Der Kursverfall, der bei WAMU eh keine Rolle spielt kann bei dem Volumen auch einfach dadurch verursacht worden sein, dass die MM's mal wieder "keine News" verwendet haben, um ihren Einkauf günstiger zu machen oder einige Zocker einfach Kapital frei machen, um auf einem anderen Pink Sheet weiter zu zocken.

Ich würde sagen, dass das alles andere als ein schlechter Tag ist. Auch Herr Rosen, war wie immer, nicht müde anderen für die Verzögerung die Schuld zu geben...:-)

Hallo zusammen wann ist eigendlich mit einem neuen Por zu rechnen????

Klar, wenn ich von einem anderen Aktionär einkaufe, verändert das für unsere Gegner nichts.
Wenn wir theoretisch davon ausgehen, daß wir (United) ca. 20 % der gesamten Aktien in Händen halten und sie - wie wir immer beteuern - nicht wieder hergeben, sondern im Zweifelsfall eher nachkaufen, bewegt sich der Markt trotzdem.  
Warum ?  
Und sicher bekomme ich bei Niedrigstkursen trotzdem die dann heißbegehrten "Einkaufsverbilliger". Woher kommen die, wenn JPM parallel *abfischen* läßt ?

mit 100%iger Sicherheit sagen können. Ich schließe mich den Worten von zungo an, es war heute alles andere als ein schlechter Tag. Es wurde durch faster kompletiert, latent kommt doch durch, dass das EC involviert wird, was ein Pro-Wamu Indiz ist.