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Anti Lemming:

PMI-Statistiker = Käsefabrik

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31.12.09 18:12
Bereits einen Tag nach Veröffentlichung muss das "sensationelle" PMI-Ergebnis von 60 deutlich auf 58,7 nach unten korrigiert werden. Gestern war es noch für einen Short-Squeeze gut...
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daiphong:

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31.12.09 23:23
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Ischariot MD:

So,

8
31.12.09 23:34

die kids liegen im Bett, und Papa klickt noch ein bisschen umher, bis sie gleich sicher aufgeweckt werden und getröstet werden müssen. Feiert schön, ein Prosit auf den Rutsch ... Und Ändschie hat's ja schon gesagt: 2010 wird echt hart ;o)

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Stöffen:

Das 1. Bären-Posting im Neuen Jahr 2010

13
01.01.10 02:43
Cheers, Folkz!

Ein kleiner 60 Millionen-Fonds probt den Aufstand und shortet nicht nur Ghoulman Sucks-Shares. Nichtsdestotrotz hier recht interessante Statements und Argumente der beteiligten Protagonisten. Enjoy it!

Shorting the Economic Recovery

A Q&A WITH KEVIN DUFFY AND BILL LAGGNER: Two hedge-fund managers predict the economy's next leg down. Shorting Goldman Sachs.

PERHAPS ONE OF THE greatest failings in the run-up to the financial meltdown was a lack of perspective -- an inability by many market participants to see the big picture. Not so with Kevin Duffy and Bill Laggner, principals of the Dallas-based hedge fund Bearing Asset Management. With the help of their proprietary credit-bubble index, developed in 2004, the managers sounded early warnings on housing and credit excesses, and capitalized handsomely on their forecasts by shorting Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, money-center banks and brokers, builders, mortgage insurers and the like.

Students of the Austrian school of economics, which espouses a free-market philosophy that ascribes business-cycle booms and busts to government meddling with interest rates, the pair is solidly in the contrarian camp, believing that the worst for the markets may be yet to come.

The two established Bearing in June 2002 after running their own money and, before that, a stint by Duffy at Lighthouse Capital Management and by Laggner at Fidelity. Bearing now has about $60 million under management, and they have returned on average an impressive 18.28% annually since setting up shop. They hold refreshingly against-the-grain views on what's ahead.

Barron's: You've said that perhaps the most redeeming feature of capitalism is failure. Please explain.

Duffy: Any healthy system needs a way to correct error and remove waste. Nature has extinction, the economy has loss, bankruptcy, liquidation. Interfering in this process lengthens feedback loops. Error and waste are allowed to accumulate, and you ultimately get a massive collapse.

Capitalism is primarily attacked by two groups: utopians who wish to impose a more "compassionate" system, and political capitalists who want to enjoy the fruits of success without bearing the pain of failure. They use the coercion of the state to gain privileges, at the expense of everyone else.

As a country we've become less tolerant of economic failure. The result has been a series of interventions, such as meddling in the credit markets, promoting homeownership and creating a variety of safety nets for investors. Each crisis leads to an even greater crisis. The solution is always greater doses of intervention. So the system becomes increasingly unstable. The interventionists never see the bust coming, then blame it on "capitalism."

What would you have done differently as the credit bubble was bursting and the Fed and the Treasury were declaring that the world would come to an end without an $800 billion bailout package?

Duffy: Allow those who essentially bet wrongly to fail, instead of bailing out people with friends in high places.

What about the argument that a financial panic would have ensued and crushed the little guy?

Duffy: The little guy actually has been crushed. Nobody is asking where this money is coming from. And the money has to essentially flow into the political economy at the expense of the real economy. The little guy is always going to be the last one in the soup line. So he will get a bone tossed to him, like cash for clunkers. But if you are Goldman Sachs or if you have got essentially the red bat-phone to Washington, D.C., you are first in line.

Laggner: AIG made sure its creditors received 100 cents on the dollar. Essentially you have the socialization of risk, but the survivors are still highly leveraged. There is still a multi-trillion dollar shadow banking system that FASB [the Financial Accounting Standards Board] wants to address next year. The central planners have already spent $3.15 trillion on various bailouts, credit backstops, guarantees, etc., and given approximately $17.5 trillion of government commitments, etc., while allowing many of these institutions to remain in place, with the same people running them.

What else could have been done?

Laggner: We could have isolated the money centers and put them in temporary receivership. Then, we could have created -- with a mere $100 billion -- a thousand community banks. If you believe in fractional reserve lending [in which banks lend multiples of their deposits], something we don't support, they could have created a trillion dollars in new credit that would have flowed to small and medium-sized businesses. Those are the parts of the economy that are choking. Because there has been no reform, it looks like we are going to be spending more money. We are going down this very treacherous path, where debt continues to skyrocket. Private-sector debt is being offset by the public sector. Meanwhile, the cost of funds for small and medium-sized businesses has gone up, while the cost of borrowing for the survivors is little to nothing, and they are speculating with that money, as opposed to letting it flow through into the real economy.

What kind of financial reform would you like to see?

Laggner: We don't believe in a central bank. The idea that banks can speculate with essentially free money from the [Federal Reserve], which ultimately is the taxpayer, and that when they lose money the Fed bails them out and then passes that invoice to the taxpayer -- that whole model is broken and needs to go away.

How would you refashion the system?

Duffy: To get to the heart of the problem, we need to address fractional-reserve banking, which is causing the instability. We have essentially socialized deposit insurance and prevented the bank run, which used to impose discipline on this unstable system. At least it had some check on those who were acting most recklessly. Until we address the root of the problem, we are going to have a series of crises, greater responses and intervention, and more bubbles -- and the system will keep perpetuating itself.

Where are we in the deleveraging process?

Laggner: We had a massive real-estate bubble and credit growth, thanks to off-balance-sheet banking that went to four or five times gross domestic product in the latter part of this decade -- and of course it burst. Because of huge government commitments, we now have rolled the credit bubble into a sovereign-debt bubble.

The question is, how is the government going to service all this debt? As the real economy contracts and as the political economy expands, this coordinated global debasement strategy ultimately fails.

How do you play that?

Duffy: The immediate risk is the economy. We've had a nine-month rally. We think it's a false rally. Some sentiment levels have returned to the extremes of optimism of 2007. We are essentially doing a long-short strategy -- long physical gold, short the Standard & Poor's 500. At the 1980 peak, the ratio of the gold price to the S&P was about six times; at the low in 2000, it got down to 0.2; today it is at about one. We can go to two, three, four times.

Do you see the S&P 500 retesting its lows of this year?

Duffy: It's difficult to know. It depends on how much money gets printed. In real terms, can we get cut in half from here? We think so. S&P earnings are distorted because of accounting changes for banks and brokers; if banks were marked to market, S&P earnings next year could fall to $45 a share. Bullish sentiment is rivaling the 2007 top, and volatility has fallen dramatically. We like the VXX, an exchange-traded note that's based on S&P 500 short-term volatility as measured by the VIX index. It's down 67% this year, and fits into the whole idea that complacency is very high.

Indeed. Are there any sectors of the market that you do find attractive?

Duffy: We are long consumer staples, discount retailers and pharmaceuticals. One way to participate is through the Gabelli Healthcare & Wellness Trust [ticker: GRX]. It holds roughly half health care and half global consumer brands in high-quality names like Danone [DA], Nestlé [NSRGY] and CVS Caremark [CVS]. It trades at a 20% discount to net asset value, though it has a fairly high expense ratio of 2.16%. If you look at Big Pharma, during the tech-stock and growth bubble of 2000, these companies traded as growth stocks, with an enterprise value to annual research and development spending of about 50 times. Today they're trading at 10 to 15 times. We like fallen growth stocks that are cheap, like Wal-Mart Stores [WMT]. The stock has gone nowhere in the last decade, but gross profits have grown 2.7 times.

What are your other themes?

Laggner: We are heavily short Japanese and U.S. government long-term bonds. Greece's deficit to GDP is approaching 15%. If you look at the proposed debt-ceiling increase in the U.S. [the Senate voted Thursday on a near-term increase to $12.4 trillion from $12.1 trillion] and at the current administration's planned spending, we are probably going to be at roughly 13% deficit to GDP this fiscal year, so basically we are Greece, where 10-year-bond yields rose 160, 170 basis points. [A basis point is a hundredth of a percentage point.] U.S. bonds are down about 20% this year, so we see a process in which creditors just shy away from funding our long-term obligations, and long-term rates keep creeping higher.

The Fed has controlled the long end by monetizing Treasuries and mortgage-backed securities. If they see the long end getting away and decide to come back into the market and buy, that will result in a much lower dollar and higher gold prices. Gold is reflecting not just inflation but instability around the world related to these business models that have been adopted by governments.

Yet the EU said it won't bail out Greece.

Laggner: Maybe we're at a turning point, where the bailouts have been so extreme that both our central bank and the ECB say we just can't continue to do this, otherwise we are going to have currencies evaporate overnight. But we haven't seen much of anything in the way of just cutting government spending, either here or in Europe.

What about the big banks? When do we see the denouement?

Laggner: There is some deleveraging in the consumer space, but little or none in the professional-speculator space, the bank money-center space. Credit Suisse is apparently allowing its hedge-fund clients to return nearly to the leverage levels at the peak, in '07. Assuming financial-accounting regulators reinstate off-balance-sheet rules on securitizations early next year, Barclays estimates it will bring roughly $500 billion in off-balance-sheet assets back onto bank balance sheets in 2010. That is going to force the banks to raise capital. A lot of structured finance is carried on the books of banks at close to par.

The FDIC [Federal Deposit Insurance Corp.] took over Corus Bank and Guaranty Bank and liquidated their books, and that debt is going for anywhere from 33 to 37 cents on the dollar. Until the regulators force banks to realize these losses, it's like the entire financial sphere is in suspended animation. A large chunk of CMBS [commercial-mortgage-backed securities] aren't being serviced. The same with residential mortgages, whether in the loan-modification-market program or not: Banks are able to carry a lot of these loans as performing loans, even though they are not performing. Japan tried the same thing, and it just lengthened the process. And we are going down that Japanese road.

That can't be good for the banks.

Duffy: We're essentially short the political economy, and the most politically connected firm is Goldman Sachs [GS]. It has two sides: a highly secretive and profitable trading operation, and a more pedestrian public business. Our suspicion is that their secret sauce is access to friends in high places, and that the model breaks when it either flies too close to the sun or a public backlash opens them up to scrutiny. Trading and principal investments account for 67% of net revenue this year, the highest level ever. Goldman, aggressively plying the risk trade, is vulnerable to the next leg down.

Speaking of a backlash, we now have Goldman managers toting guns to protect themselves from populist rage. At what point will society demand some sort of change from the government?

Laggner: A client sent me an e-mail the other day in which the tea-party demonstrators are getting a higher approval rating than the Democrats or Republicans. There is a backlash building, and that's a very good thing. But it's a process. As the arrogance level of central bankers or the money-center banks continues to grow, 2010 and the mid-term elections will be very exciting.

Duffy: Last year, 70% of the people were opposed to the bailout. And so far, through these massive interventions, government has been able to stabilize the financial system. But you have this divergence between the real economy and the political economy. People are still hurting. Consumer confidence has not rebounded like investor confidence has. If we are right, and we are heading for the next leg down, that's when I think all bets are off. If the political economy and some of those who got bailed out are back asking for another bailout, that's when the backlash really starts to heat up.

For bear markets to end, they have to teach lessons. But the people who didn't see this bus coming 2[frac12] years ago -- they're back in droves, and they're bullish. We haven't changed behavior, and this bear market will not end until we do.

online.barrons.com/article_email/...icleTabs_panel_article%3D1
Bubbles are normal and non-bubble times are depressions!
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Anti Lemming:

Another year, another bubble

11
01.01.10 10:03
Amazon hat mit einem KGV von 80 schon wieder die "nosebleed"-Bewertungen vom Beginn des Jahrzehnts. Anfang 2010 könnte insofern Anfang 2000 auf's Haar gleichen.

www.marketwatch.com/story/...-bubble-2010-01-01?dist=bigcharts



Während die vereinigten Banken-Strategen eine ungebrochene Fortsetzung der Rallye wähnen und selbst die beinharten Sarkasten von FTD "Das Kapital" neuerdings nur noch Zuckerwatte spinnen....

FTD - Aktienausblick 2010
Mehrheit glaubt an Börsengewinne
[Alternativ-Titel: "Mehrheiten werden abgestraft"....A.L.}

Wer Anfang des Jahres in Aktien einstieg, für den war 2009 ein überaus gutes Jahr. Aber werden die Kurse weiterhin klettern? Die Optimisten sind in der Überzahl, aber auch sie sehen für die zweite Jahreshälfte Unsicherheiten. von Elisabeth Atzler  Frankfurt

Mehrere amerikanische Banken preschen voran: Bank of America Merrill Lynch, Goldman Sachs  und JP Morgan  trauen den Aktienmärkten 2010 besonders viel zu. Eine Kostprobe: Goldman Sachs prognostiziert, dass der europäische Auswahlindex Stoxx 600  bis Ende kommenden Jahres um rund 20 Prozent steigen wird. "Wir erwarten, dass es 2010 den Übergang geben wird von einer hoffnungsgetriebenen Phase hin zu einer wachstumsgetriebenen Marktphase", schreiben die Aktienexperten. Unternehmensgewinne würden die Aktienrenditen nach oben drücken. Viele Beobachter äußern sich zwar verhaltener. Doch die meisten Experten zeigen sich zuversichtlich und erwarten zumindest leichte Aktiengewinne.

Dabei waren schon die Kurssteigerungen 2009 imposant: Der Stoxx 600 zog im Jahr 2009 um 28 Prozent an, der deutsche Leitindex Dax  schnellte um 24 Prozent nach oben. In einigen Schwellenländern - etwa Russland und Brasilien - betrug das Plus gar mehr als 100 Prozent. Dem Run auf Schwellenländeraktien kann sich kaum ein Beobachter entziehen, was zu großer Einigkeit bei der Prognose führt: Die Börsen werden 2010 die großen Gewinner sein. Am meisten Vertrauen genießen Brasilien, China, Indien sowie Indonesien.

www.ftd.de/finanzen/maerkte/marktberichte/...nne/50055522.html

... wurde in Amerika in der letzten halben Stunde der Casino-Öffnung die Weihnachts-Rallye schon mal vorsorglich annulliert:

Prost Neujahr!
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Maxgreeen:

Ich wünsche ein gesundes neues Jahr

5
01.01.10 11:45
US-Kinos im Jahr 2009 insgesamt 10,6 Milliarden US-Dollar ein. Das sei ein Plus von etwa zehn Prozent im Vergleich zu 2008. Knapp die Hälfte des Umsatzzuwachses von 2009 ergab sich aus erhöhten Eintrittspreisen.

PS: Umsatzzuwächse durch Preiserhöhung, wie auch in anderen Bereichen. Das soll noch einer sagen die Inflation steigt nicht.
Wer die Geburt überlebt, ist zum Sterben verurteilt!

http://www.ariva.de/forum/Quo-Vadis-Dax-2010-Spam-Junk-397563
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Anti Lemming:

Das Kino selbst

8
01.01.10 11:47
wird auch immer größer. Hat inzwischen fast Staatsgröße erreicht.
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Anti Lemming:

Island stottert die nächsten 14 Jahre

6
01.01.10 11:55
Schulden ab, die der zügellose Spekulationswahn gerissen hat.

FTD: Das entsprechende Gesetz sieht in den kommenden 14 Jahren die schrittweise Zahlung der Milliardensumme an Großbritannien und die Niederlande vor.

www.ftd.de/politik/europa/...ttert-milliarden-ab/50055487.html

Bleibt spannend, ob dann noch was für "Wachstum" übrigbleibt.

Die Lage in USA wäre ähnlich, wenn dort nicht die Druckerpresse für die "Weltleitwährung" stünde. Ein Kabel dieser Maschine führt allerdings nach China, wo ein großer (Ab-)Schalter (Aufkauf von US-Staatsanleihen) steht.
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Anti Lemming:

2009 flossen 32 Mrd. Dollar aus US-Aktienfonds ab

13
01.01.10 12:55
Dabei handelt es sich um Nettoabflüsse - d.h. die Bilanz aus Zu- und Abflüssen belief sich auf -32 Milliarden Dollar (unten).

Dass Aktien dennoch stiegen, ist vor allem auf die (reversiblen) Spielchen der Zockerbanken mit Zentralbankknete zurückzuführen. Die Nettoabflüsse aus Aktienfonds legen nahe, dass die strategischen Pläne der Zockerbanken, die hochgekauften Aktien nun an Kleinanleger- und Trendfolge-Deppen zu distribuieren, vermutlich nicht wie erwartet aufgehen werden. Denn wenn die Kleinanleger schon in der "Steigflugphase" der jüngsten Rallye reihenweise das Handtuch schmissen, wieso sollten sie dann ausgerechnet jetzt am Top wieder einsteigen?

FAZIT: Die Zockerbanken haben ein Problem. Zuviele Aktien, die ihnen nicht gehören (mit geliehener Zentralbankknete gekauft), und zuwenig Deppen, die ihnen den Müll nun abnehmen. Deshalb müssen die Zockerbanken, wenn Aktien stark sinken (z. B. mangels Nachfrage, wenn das künstlich erzeugte Momentum abebbt) erneut ausgebailt werden. Dass wird aber politisch kaum möglich sein. Eher droht dann ein "Sturm auf die Bastille". GS-Mitarbeiter wurden schon jetzt vorsorglich mit Handfeuerwaffen versorgt. Sind halt gute "Market-Timer", die Goldmänner.

Statt in Aktien floss viel Kleinanleger-Geld in Bonds-Fonds (wie HYG), wo sich die nächste Blase gebildet hat. Sie wird platzen, wenn die Zinsen am langen Ende "unerwartet" wegen Risikoaversion und übermäßiger Staatsverschuldung zu steigen beginnen. Allzu positiv "hingedrehte" Konjunktur-News drücken ebenfalls auf Bonds, weil dies die in der Ära des Gelddruckens ohnehin virulenten Inflationsängste weiter schürt.



In 2009 U.S. stock funds saw net outflows of almost $32 billion while taxable and tax-exempt bond funds collected more than $370 billion in new money through Dec. 23, according to estimates from the Investment Company Institute, an industry trade group.

www.marketwatch.com/story/...charts&symb=INDU&sid=1643
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permanent:

Why Japan Needs a 'Hatobama'

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01.01.10 13:24

DECEMBER 30, 2009, 7:36 P.M. ET

Why Japan Needs a 'Hatobama'

Tokyo's new leader faces a rough 2010 without some pragmatic adjustments.

 

 

By IAN BREMMER AND NOURIEL ROUBINI

Like President Barack Obama, Japan's new Prime Minister Yukio Hatoyama made lots of extravagant economic and foreign policy promises on the road to victory earlier this year. Mr. Obama has shown flexibility and the willingness to compromise. Will Mr. Hatoyama do the same? If not, Japan will be in for a rough ride in 2010.

In some ways, Mr. Hatoyama's victory was even more historic than the American election. His Democratic Party of Japan (DPJ) ousted the Liberal Democratic Party (LDP) that had held power virtually without interruption for more than five decades. Like Mr. Obama, he's had to come to grips with enormous immediate challenges, beginning with the need to kick start a stalled economy. Japan's public debt is approaching 200% of gross domestic product—by far the largest debt-to-GDP ratio in the industrialized world.

Mr. Hatoyama's promises were ambitious, and sometimes even contradictory. Recognizing Japan's financial limitations, he and his party pledged to slash wasteful state spending. Yet he has also called for "an economy of the people" that includes considerable state subsidies, and his government put forward a record high initial budget request of 95 trillion yen.

The government has now moved ahead with a new bond issuance, with a promise to cap the new debt at about 44 trillion yen. Mr. Hatoyama has announced plans to halt the privatization of Japan Post bank, an enormous enterprise with more than $3 trillion in assets that helps finance state spending. And he has reiterated a pledge that Japan will reduce carbon emissions 25% below 1990 levels by 2020, a promise that will soon prove too costly to keep.

On foreign policy, the new prime minister has argued that the U.S.-Japan relationship should develop toward a partnership of equals. But despite some blunt warnings from Washington, DPJ officials have yet to resolve the standoff over the controversial relocation of a helicopter base and 8,000 Marines from Japan to Guam. This is a deal the U.S. believes it settled with the previous Japanese government in 2006.

In Washington, the prime minister's critics are becoming more vocal. Former National Security Council director for counterproliferation strategy Carolyn Leddy recently accused the Hatoyama government of "increasing security policy schizophrenia."

Mr. Hatoyama's domestic approval numbers have taken a tough hit: A Kyodo News poll last weekend found that disapproval of the government surged to 38.1% this month from 25% in November. And the risk remains that he will try to keep too many of his campaign promises, deepening Japan's debt without actually spurring growth. He also risks undermining a security relationship with Washington that remains essential for East Asian stability.

There are two main reasons why Mr. Hatoyama's unrealistic goals are more worrisome than any of the economic plans Mr. Obama has proposed.

First, there are far fewer political checks on Mr. Hatoyama's ability to pursue them. Mr. Obama faces a hostile Republican Party, a divided electorate, and moderates within the Democratic congressional caucus skeptical of his plans. He has accepted compromise on important issues like health-care reform and troop deployments to Afghanistan because he knows he must. Recognizing the complexities involved, he's taken a go-slow approach on domestic climate change legislation and the closing of the prison at Guantanamo Bay. Fiscal conservatives in both parties make a second stimulus package all but politically impossible.

The DPJ, meanwhile, has built a strong single-party majority in the lower house and relies on a pair of coalition partners to dominate the upper house. Mr. Obama's party has majorities too, but Mr. Hatoyama faces fewer institutional obstacles, like the filibuster, to setting a political agenda and pushing it forward.

Finally, the U.S. has a two-party system that allows business and industry groups to hedge their bets by lobbying both sides. Five months ago, Japan had a one-party system—one in which business elites negotiated legislative language with an LDP-dominated bureaucracy. For the commercial elite, it now has a no-party system, a ruling coalition of mostly new faces with far fewer connections in the business world.

Mr. Obama's innate caution and his willingness to compromise are likely to serve him well. To spare Japan an unnecessarily turbulent 2010, Mr. Hatoyama needs to become "Hatobama," a pragmatist ready to disappoint ideological allies and assuage centrist fears of a policy agenda his country simply can't afford. Japan's recovery is riding on it.

Mr. Bremmer, president of Eurasia Group, is co-author of "The Fat Tail: The Power of Political Knowledge for Strategic Investing" (Oxford University Press, 2009). Mr. Roubini is a professor of economics at New York University's Stern School of Business and chairman of RGE Monitor.

 
 
 
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wawidu:

AL - # 55134 - "Steigflugphase"

5
01.01.10 14:04
Diese Rallye ähnelt in der Tat einer "Drei-Stufen-Rakete", die darauf ausgelegt war, das "Raumschiff Aktienmarkt" aus dem "Orbit" der Baisse hinaus zu katapultieren. Das Dumme ist nur, dass die dritte Stufe nicht mehr genug Power hat(te?), dies zu bewerkstelligen. Sehr schön lässt sich dies in folgendem Chart erkennen:
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Kicky:

U.S. stocks may struggle in 2010

5
01.01.10 14:24
SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- The U.S. stock market may struggle in 2010 as trillions of dollars in monetary stimulus and government spending begins draining from the world's largest economy, according to some investors and strategists.

With less of this support, a continued recovery in equities may have to be driven by earnings growth."We wouldn't count on financials and discretionary to do the heavy lifting this time," Brian Knapp head of U.S. portfolio strategy at Barclays Capital, wrote in a recent note to investors.

Knapp expects the Standard & Poor's 500 index to drop to 990 points during the first half of 2010 and then recover to end the year at 1,120. .....

www.marketwatch.com/story/...-01?siteid=rss#mod=BOL_hpp_BOL2MW

.....Yet staying invested and figuring out where to put your money in the year ahead may be more of a challenge than usual for fund managers after such a breakaway year. The stock-selling pressure has picked up in recent months. Many investors who would normally be in stocks don't trust the rally and instead have embraced the relative safety of bonds.

In 2009 U.S. stock funds saw net outflows of almost $32 billion while taxable and tax-exempt bond funds collected more than $370 billion in new money through Dec. 23, according to estimates from the Investment Company Institute, an industry trade group.

"There are no flows to equities," said Jerry Jordan, manager of Jordan Opportunity Fund /quotes/comstock/10r!jordx (JORDX 10.85, -0.05, -0.46%) , which rose 44% in 2009. "Money managers sell to buy a new group because they don't have money coming in. It's an asset allocator's market." .....
www.marketwatch.com/story/...ew-year-with-a-grimace-2009-12-31
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TGTGT:

Guten Morgen Bärengemeinde!

12
01.01.10 14:46
Allen einen guten Start ins neue Jahr und dass sich alle unsere Wünsche und Träume verwirklichen lassen :)

Habe mir dazu gleich den 1. einmal vorgenommen - ein Daxchart, welcher die Situation aus charttechnischer Sicht mit der aus Anfang 2004 vergleicht. Zwar spielt her die Blasenbildung im Markt aus fundamental-ökonomischer Sicht keine Rolle, da dazu kein Indikator im Chart enthalten ist - jedoch ist es mMn ebenso wichtig sich nicht nur auf Wirtschafsdaten zu befassen sondern auch der Frage bis wohin der Anstieg aus dem letzten Jahr in diesem noch eine realistische Chance hätte - was einige hier ja bereits sich vorgenommen haben. Wie im Verlauf zu erkennen verliefen die Jahre 2003 und 2009 durchaus synchron, zu Beginn setze jeweils das erreichen der Jahrestiefs ein, woraufhin eine ordentliche Aufholjagd folgte.
Die Gründe für diese sind zwar in beiden Fällen grund-verschieden, jedoch ist es die Frage bis wohin sich eine Überbewertung mittels einer Blase (in unserem Fall aus Liquidität bestehend) ausdehnen kann und über welche Zeiträume - historisch ist es sicher nicht verwerflich zu behaupten, dass Überbewertungen solcher Art schnell 3 - 4 Jahre halten könnten (erinnere 20er und 70er Jahre) - was nicht unbedingt auf unsere Situation zutreffen muss, jedoch eine Annahme die man nicht unterschätzen sollte.
Denn die "Geldflut" ist ja weiterhin im Laufe... bzw. im Rennen und damit auch die "Kettenreaktion" - Indexstände über 7000 Daxpunkten sollte man vdh. sicherlich nicht ausschließen.
Die Frage ist:
1. Wann wird die Liquidität verstärkt eingeschränkt und/oder die Bilanzierungsregeln/ die Spekulationsfreiheit weniger großzügig behandelt?

2. Unter welchen Umständen gerät die "Schere" zwischen Realität und Bewertung am Markt ins Wanken, sprich die Überbewertung wird zu "groß" - ohne Verhältnis zur Realität, was bei sehr stark idealisierten Kursen mit hoher Erwartungshaltung mittelfr. einsetzen könnte?
Es wäre mMn somit gut möglich, dass wir A):
Zu Beginn bis einschließlich Mitte des Jahres steigende Kurse sehen, welche gegen Juni/Juli bis zum Herbst/Winter deutlich korrigiert werden und wir somit auf dem Niveau von 2009 auch 2010 letzten Endes schließen.
Oder B):
Eine Stagnation der Kurse zu Beginn des Jahres sehen, welche sich nur sehr langsam aber doch konstant nach oben hin auflöst (siehe Vergleich und Folgejahr 2004).
Sollte der Trend in den Indizes in den ersten Wochen bereits gebrochen werden, könnte sogar kurzfr. Verkaufsdruck aufkommen - von einem "Cash" oä. zu Jahresbeginn gehe ich jedoch nicht aus - die ersten Tage sollte, wie auch Ende Dezember, zunächst ruhig starten - zumindest auf der Umsatz- und Volumenseite - Gruß:






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Wer der Meinung ist, dass man für Geld alles haben kann, gerät leicht in den Verdacht, dass er für Geld alles zu tun bereit ist.  
Benjamin Franklin
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Keno77:

Japan: besser wäre ein "Hato - Schmidt"

9
01.01.10 15:42
Zum Roubini - Artikel von permanent # 55135

So richtig schlau werde ich aber aus der von Roubini geschaffenen Kunstfigur eines "Hatobama" (= Obama  + Hatoyama)  eigentlich nicht.

a) Beide haben Politikziele,  die in die gleiche Richtung gehen. wie etwa die Verbesserung der Sozialsysteme. Obama hat es zwischenzeitlich erreicht eine staatliche Krankenversicherung auf den Weg zu bringen.  Hatoyama will die Sozialhilfe in Japan massiv aufbessern.

b) Beide haben keine Probleme damit, die Staatsverschuldung rücksichtslos auf neue Rekordstände zu treiben. Zugunsten Obama kann man allenfalls einräumen, dass er zumindest einen Blick für die Verschuldungsituation eines Landes hat. Hatoyama hat hingegen die höchste Staatsverschuldung eines Landes auf Erden in seiner Antrittsrede vor dem Parlament mit überhaupt keinem Wort erwähnt. Geschweige denn sich bereit erklärt, die Zielstellung seines Vorgängers, ab 2019 Haushaltsüberschüsse zu erzielen, auch für seine Regierung verbindlich zu übernehmen.

c) Bei beiden laufen die Konjunkturstimuli im Wesentlichen darauf hinaus die Kaufkraft / Binnennachfrage zu stärken.

Warum hier Obama der bessere Hatoyama sein soll, erschließt sich mir nicht.

Ich denke, was Japan Not tut, das wäre eine Persönlichkeit, die in überzeugender Weise einmal wieder nüchternen ökonomischen Sachverstand auf die japanische Tagesordnung setzen würde:

- die den Menschen einmal in nüchtern vorrechnet, was sich ein hoch verschuldetes Land wie Japan noch leisten kann und was nicht.

- dass für Politikziele wie eine „brüderliche Gesellschaft“, in der Wachstum nicht mehr die dominierende Rolle spielen soll, einfach nicht das Geld vorhanden ist.

Wovon will Japan denn seine Schulden tilgen, wenn nicht aus dem Wirtschaftswachstum?

Und die Privatisierungsprojekte seines Vorgängers (wie etwa die Post) hat Hatoyama inzwischen auch aufgegeben.  Auch damit hätte man Schulden abbauen bzw. den Haushalt entlasten können!

Ich würde mehr für eine Persönlichkeit à la Helmut Schmidt plädieren:   ein "Hato – Schmidt".
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wawidu:

Innerhalb von 30 Minuten

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01.01.10 16:13
wurde der gesamte "Wochengewinn" (hahaha!) vernichtet:
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wawidu:

Was könnte nun kommen?

13
01.01.10 16:59
Solange reichlich Nahrung vorhanden ist, verhalten sich Ratten durchaus sozial, und sie vermehren sich stark. Bei Auftreten von Nahrungsmangel kommt es zunächst zu Verteilungskämpfen, und wenn es ganz eng wird, werden sie sogar zu Kannibalen. So implodiert die in Zeiten der Fülle explodierte Population wieder.

Eine Übertragung dieses Beispiels aus der Tierwelt auf die Zockerbanken bietet sich geradezu an. Man ersetze "Nahrung" durch "Funds", denen man die Assets (keineswegs nur Aktien) seit März zu immer höheren Preisen andrehen konnte. Da die Funds jedoch aktuell - wie Anfang 2000 und 2007 - voll investiert sind, zeichnet sich ein "Nahrungsengpass" ab. Bereits seit Oktober finden zweifelsfrei "Verteilungskämpfe" (verdeckte Distribution) statt. Sollte nun irgendeine "Alpha-Ratte" das Handelssystem auf "sell" programmieren, dürften wir eine "Kannibalisierungswelle" mit damit einher gehenden Kursimplosionen erleben ("NADELÖHR-SYNDROM").
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Kicky:

Emissionshandelbetrug: 90% des Emissionshandels

9
01.01.10 17:09
Betrüger sind wahrscheinlich für 90 Prozent der Aktivitäten des gesamten Emissionsmarktes in einigen europäischen Ländern verantwortlich. Das Volumen des Betruges in England, Frankreich, Spanien, Dänemark und Holland beläuft sich auf etwa 5 Milliarden Euro.Hunderte von Firmen haben sich in GB gegründet um CO2 -Scheine zu traden,oftmals in Yorkshire, Lancashire, Essex und anderen Adressen,die man in der finazwelt nicht kennt,mit Adressen wie hotmail oder yahoo.Es besteht der Verdacht,dass hier Karusseltrading erfolgt um Mehrwertsteuer zu sparen,womit sehr viel Geld verdient werden kann.Die dänischen Behörden ermitteln

www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/...ading-markets.html
.....hundreds of UK companies selling anything from hair loss treatments to electronics have mysteriously registered to buy and sell carbon permits in the Scandinavian nation – mostly in the last 18 months.

Many give addresses in the regions such as Yorkshire, Lancashire, Essex and other places not known for their links to the world of finance.

The appearance of these obscure British companies – among them businesses with unreachable addresses and Hotmail, Gmail or Yahoo email accounts for company representatives – has recently come to the attention of the Danish authorities.

While many are bound to be genuine individual private traders playing the carbon markets, investigators are examining the possibility that some of these unknown UK-based companies have used the system to commit "carousel" fraud linked to VAT.
According to sources, the Danish registry may be at the heart of Europe's problems with carbon trading fraud. Local media has repeatedly raised the fact that few, if any, checks are done on new traders and approval can be much quicker than in other countries.

Criminals profit by importing goods VAT-free, selling them through a series of companies, each liable to VAT, before exporting them again. Then, the first link in the chain often goes missing without accounting for the VAT and the final link reclaims the VAT it has paid from the state before disappearing.

It might sound like the tinpot scheme of local small-time crooks, but fleecing the tax man can bring in big money.

Just a few weeks ago, Europol, the cross-border police force, said that carbon trading fraudsters may have accounted for up to 90pc of all market activity in some European countries, with criminals mainly from Britain, France, Spain, Denmark and Holland pocketing an estimated €5bn (£4.5bn). ...

The London platform, the European Climate Exchange, where banks and energy companies tend to trade, is not affected by the fraud because it does not offer the spot contracts on which VAT was payable. But British traders can still defraud authorities by buying and selling permits on other European exchanges.

This organised criminal activity has even "endangered the credibility" of the current carbon trading system, according to Rob Wainwright, the director of Europol. ....the attraction of carbon permits is their intangible nature, so there is no need physically to ship goods across borders. All is done at the click of a mouse.

It now looks like Europe will start a so-called "reverse charge" mechanism, which would remove the need for VAT to change hands between carbon traders every time permits are sold.

But will this remove all problems from the system? It should certainly eradicate VAT fraud, but the very nature of carbon credits makes them "an incredibly lucrative target for criminals", Rafael Rondelez, who was involved with the Europol investigation, has warned.
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Kicky:

Rogoff:was bedeutet Sovereign-Debt Crisis für dich

7
01.01.10 17:21
online.wsj.com/article/...2748703323704574602030789251824.html
Kenneth Rogoff im Gespräch mit WSJ:
..... After a financial crisis like the one of the past two years, "there's typically a wave of sovereign default crises," he said. "If you want to know what's next on the menu, that's a good bet." Spiraling government debts around the world, from Washington to Berlin to Tokyo, could set the scene for years of financial troubles, he said.

Right now it costs about 2.6% of the principal each year for investors to insure Greek government bonds against default, according to CMA DataVision. Some say that's too high, and that a European country like Greece, a member of the euro-zone, will never default. Prof. Rogoff, by contrast, thinks that 2.6% is too low.There's a serious chance Greece will default, he said, adding that most people don't realize that this is a tradition in that country. Greece has been in default for a substantial amount of its modern history as an independent country, he said. Even if the IMF steps in, they won't do so until the crisis actually blows up.

Also worrying are several other countries at the periphery of Europe—the Baltics, Eastern European countries like Hungary, and maybe Ireland and Spain. This is where public finances are worst. And the handcuffs of the European single currency, Prof. Rogoff said, mean individual countries can't just print more money to get out of their debts. (For the record, the smartest investor I have ever known, a hedge fund manager in London, is also anticipating a sovereign debt crisis.)...

The major sovereign debt crises, he said, are probably a couple of years away. The key issue is that this time, the mounting financial troubles of the U.S., Germany and Japan mean these countries, once the rich uncles of the world, will no longer have the money to step in and rescue the more feckless nieces and nephews.

...."We're going to be raising taxes sky high," he said. "The federal tax take probably needs to go up by about 20%." He thinks the top marginal rate, when you include Social Security and Medicare taxes, will hit 50%.

*Second, if the professor is right, we're probably going to see a lot of inflation, eventually. We will have to. It's the easiest way to reduce the value of those liabilities in real terms. "The way rich countries default is through inflation," he said.

For investors: That would be good news for commodities, investments like art and, I suspect, maybe housing too—though see below. Bad news for bonds.

• Third, even U.S. municipal bonds won't be safe from trouble. California could be among those facing a default crisis. "It wouldn't surprise me to see the Federal Reserve buying California debt at some point, or some form of bailout," Prof. Rogoff said.
• Fourth, the history of past crises suggests that the job market probably won't start getting better till the middle of next year, and that house prices may stay flat "for a long time, many, many years," Prof. Rogoff said.

....look for another housing bubble. "Housing is the best single indicator of whether you're heading toward a financial crisis," he said. And most Americans may not realize it, but one is already underway right now—in China.
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Kicky:

Eurozone kämpft mit der Finanzkrise

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01.01.10 17:29
online.wsj.com/article/...9163.html?mod=WSJ_hp_us_mostpop_read

Europa beginnt 2010 mit einer ausgewachsenen Schuldenkrise-und weitere Downgrades drohen für Irland und Portugal,auch für Spanien und Frankreich

...Even the staunchest optimists in Brussels and Frankfurt see a rocky process, with rating firms poised for more downgrades and bond markets meting out daily judgment over how governments are doing.

Greece and Spain saw their ratings downgraded. Ireland and Portugal have been warned they could be next. Even broader downgrades threaten if other European governments don't shape up.
Fitch warns in a December report that particularly the U.K. (which isn't in the euro zone) and Spain and France (which are) risk being downgraded if they don't articulate more-credible fiscal-consolidation programs during the coming year given the pace of fiscal deterioration.

With the young currency bloc facing the first major test of its fiscal reliability, financial markets are hedging their bets.The euro ended 2009 slipping off its highs for the year and bank stocks were sliding on perceptions that their government-bond holdings could lose value. Economists worry the fiscal damage could take years to repair. The recession that has gripped the euro zone since mid-2008 collapsed tax revenues and sent welfare costs soaring.

Billions of euros dedicated to fiscal-stimulus plans and bank bailouts completed the devastation to government finances.

Investors also worry about the danger of a "double dip" European recession if governments get the timing and pace of budget consolidation wrong and choke off the recovery.

That prospect comes alongside concerns of more ratings downgrades and higher default risk if governments act too slowly.

Budget deficits for the region as whole in 2009 swelled to 6.4% of gross domestic product from 2% the year before. The EU forecast sees that gap widening to nearly 7% in 2010 before the worst is over....
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Kicky:

Eurozone credit contraction accelerates

7
01.01.10 17:38
Bank loans and the M3 money supply in the eurozone contracted at an accelerating pace in November, raising the risk that a lending squeeze will choke the region's fragile recovery next year.
By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard
www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/...-accelerates.html

.....Hans-Peter Keitel, head of Germany's industry federation (BDI), said there was a danger of a credit crunch next year as banks take fright at the ugly state of corporate balance sheets. He accused lenders of returning to their gambling habits – in some cases with state money – while refusing to roll over loans for companies with a good track record that have run into short-term problems.

The Bundesbank is bracing for a second wave of the credit crisis as corporate downgrades by rating agencies forces lenders to set aside more money. Big companies in the eurozone have been able to tap the bond and equity markets, raising €130bn of fresh money in the first 10 months of the year. However, smaller Mittelstand firms that form the backbone of Germany's export industry are often shut out of the credit system.

Banks have chosen to restrict lending as they struggle to meet tougher capital rules rather than dilute shares by raising fresh equity or accepting the onerous terms of state support schemes. This has prompted harsh criticism from finance ministers, but Professor Tim Congdon from International Monetary Research said the authorities themselves are to blame. "This is becoming ridiculous. How can banks raise capital asset ratios and lend more at the same time? These people are barmy," he said, comparing the new rules with policy mistakes in the early 1930s. . ....
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Keno77:

Die Mär von der Steuerentlastung

6
01.01.10 17:50
Die FAZ hat es heute den Bürger heute noch mal vorgerechnet, wie wir doch alle von den Steuerentlastungen 2010 profitieren. Danke an die FAZ, das erzeugt doch gleich eine viel bessere Grundstimmung für das neue Jahr.

- Grundfreibetrag:  +170 Euro  / + 340 Euro
- Anhebung der Tarifeckwerte: + 340 Euro
- Kindergeld:  + 20 Euro im Monat
- Kinderfreibetrag:  + 2000 € p. a.

usw.

Aber wenn die Regierung entlastet, muss das nicht heißen, dass die Bürger auch tatsächlich von Steuern und Abgaben entlastet werden. Noch bevor man das so freigewordene Geld zum Juwelier tragen kann, um sich endlich die „zweite Rolex“  zu kaufen, waren schon andere Wegelagerer zur Stelle, die einem das Geld abgenommen wieder haben.

Angesprochen  seien die Gemeinden. Angesicht der desolaten Haushaltslage der Kommunen erwartet der Städte- und Gemeindebund ab 2010 Abgabenerhöhungen für die Bürger. Höhere Steuern, teurere Knöllchen, die Schließung von Schwimmbädern, Erhöhung der Preise für den Zoo und die Museen usw. Die Stadt Oberhausen soll sogar eine Sex - Steuer einführen (für Bordellbesuche). Weitere Details in dem unten zitierten WiWo – Artikel.

Auch ist es nicht so, dass man sich diesen Abgabenerhöhungen in allen Fällen entziehen.

Einen Museumsbesuch verkneift man sich im Zweifelsfall.  

Schwimmbad an einem heißen Sommertag  – das dürfte schon schwieriger sein.

Abgabenerhöhungen bei Müll-, Straßenreinigung, Energie u. a. (vgl. etwa die von Stadtwerken für 2010 angekündigte Erhöhung der Energiepreise) – da besteht keine Chance den Erhöhungen auch auszuweichen.

www.wiwo.de/politik-weltwirtschaft/...ung-fuer-buerger-418112/

www.faz.net/s/...C69914996A379C4F1E~ATpl~Ecommon~Scontent.html
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AngelaF.:

Erstmal allen Teilnehmern ein gutes neues Jahr

13
01.01.10 20:39
Ein Gedanke zur Situation im Autosektor, speziell in Deutschland/Europa.

Warum ich das Gefühl habe daß es hier -zumindest für 2010- dunkelschwarz aussieht:


Seit mir vor einiger Zeit ein Schrottauto überlassen wurde und ich mir somit einen neuen Dacia Kombi  für 5.900 Euro herbeiwracken konnte, klicke ich ab und zu die Daciaseite an, um zu sehen was es so Neues gibt. Und das was ich bei meinem heutigen Seitenbesuch gesehen habe, ist wirklich einmalig.
Ich bin zwar kein Autofreak, aber ich beobachte die Preis- und Marktanteilsituation seit ca. 15 Jahren regelmäßig.
In diesen Jahren gab es immer wieder -wie auch in letzter Zeit- alle Arten von versteckten Rabatten.
Was aber nie der Fall war, daß ein Hersteller seinen Listenpreis gesenkt hat. Genau dies war bei Dacia vor kurzem der Fall. Kombi jetzt 7.990.- statt 8.400; Sandero jetzt 6.990.- statt 7.500.

www.dacia.de/home.php

Also entweder sind die Verkaufszahlen nach dem Abwrackwahnsinn extrem eingebrochen, oder  hier wird zum Showdown geblasen.
Egal ob das eine oder das andere der Fall ist: Hier wird massiv der Druck verstärkt (zumindest auf Hersteller aus dem Nichtpremiumbereich). Die Gewinnsituation der Hersteller -und vor allem deren Zulieferer- sieht m.M. nach sehr, sehr bescheiden aus.

Da werden in Zukunft einige die Grätsche machen, vor allem für Opel sehe ich keine Zukunft, da sich der Trend zu "Billig oder Premium" verstärkt. Hersteller die weder das eine noch das andere können werden sich aus dem Markt verabschieden müssen.
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wawidu:

Goldman Sachs - Reminiszenz an 2008/2009

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01.01.10 21:20
"First Quarter 2009 and December 2008 Financial Results

In April 2009, there was controversy that Goldman Sachs had 'puffed up' its Q1 earnings by creating a December 'orphan month' into which it shifted large writedowns.[61] In its first full quarter as a bank holding company, the firm reported a USD 780M net loss for the single month of December alongside Q1 net earnings of USD 1.81B (Jan-Mar)[62][63]

The accounting change to a calendar fiscal year, which created the stub month, was required when the firm converted to a bank holding company and declared in Item 5.03 of its Form 8-K U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) filing of December 15, 2008.[64] The December loss also included a USD 850M writedown on loans to bankrupt chemical maker LyondellBasell, as reported in late December (the chemical maker formally declared bankruptcy on January 6 but the loan would have been marked-to-market – it became clear in mid/late-December that Lyondell would not be able to meet its debt obligations).[65][66]

Most financial analysts and the mainstream financial press (Bloomberg L.P., Reuters, etc), aware of the accounting change and deteriorating market conditions into December, were unsurprised by the December loss (Merrill Lynch took at least USD 8.1B of losses in the same period[67]). However, their lack of reaction and reporting of what was a widely expected result may have contributed to the surprise attributing this as a sign that the firm was trying to 'hide' losses in December. On the contrary, the results of December 2008 were discussed up front and in detail by CFO David Viniar in the first few minutes of the firm's Q1 2009 conference call, and were fully declared on page 10 of its earnings release document.[62][68]

On 22 April 2009, Morgan Stanley also reported [69] a USD 1.3B net loss for the single month of December, alongside a USD 177M loss for the first quarter (Jan-Mar).[70] However, whereas Goldman Sachs' first-quarter earnings (Jan-Mar) were well-above forecasts[71] (which led to the speculation that the firm may have 'conveniently' shifted losses into December), Morgan Stanley's results for the same Jan-Mar period were below consensus estimates.[72] This, in addition to Morgan Stanley's losses in December, would appear to support Goldman's rejection of the notion that they deliberately shifted losses into December.[63] Like Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley converted to a bank holding company after the bankruptcy of Lehman Brothers in September 2008.

As of June 22, 2009, the company was on track to complete its "most profitable year ever",[73] and has moved forward with plans to reward its workers with record bonus payments.

[edit] Involvement with the bailout of AIG
American International Group was bailed out by the US government in September 2008 after suffering a liquidity crisis, whereby the Federal Reserve initially lent $85 billion USD to AIG to allow the firm to meet its collateral and cash obligations.

In March 2009 it was reported that in 2008, Goldman Sachs, alongside other major US and international financial institutions, had received billions of dollars during the unwind of credit default swap (CDS) contracts purchased from AIG, including $12.9bn from funds provided by the US Federal Reserve to bail out AIG.[74][75][76] (As of April, 2009, US Government loans to AIG totaled over $180 billion.) The money was owed to counterparties under legally-binding contracts purchased from AIG. However, due to the size and nature of the payouts there was considerable controversy in the media and amongst some politicians as to whether banks, including Goldman Sachs, may have benefited materially from the bailout and if they had been overpaid.[77],[78] The New York State Attorney General Andrew Cuomo announced in March 2009 that he was investigating whether AIG's trading counterparties improperly received government money.[79]

[edit] Firm's response to criticism of AIG payments
Goldman Sachs has maintained that its net exposure to AIG was 'not material', and that the firm was protected by hedges (in the form of credit default swaps with other counterparties) and USD 7.5B of collateral.[80] The firm stated the cost of these hedges to be over USD 100M.[81] According to Goldman, both the collateral and credit default swaps would have protected the bank from incurring an economic loss in the event of an AIG bankruptcy (however, because AIG was bailed out and not allowed to fail, these hedges did not pay out.)[82] CFO David Viniar stated that profits related to AIG in Q1 2009 "rounded to zero", and profits in December were not significant. He went on to say that he was "mystified" by the interest the government and investors have shown in the bank's trading relationship with AIG.[83]

However, there is considerable speculation that Goldman's hedges against their AIG exposure would not have paid out if AIG was allowed to fail. According to a report by the United States Office of the Inspector General of TARP, if AIG had collapsed, it would have made it difficult for Goldman to liquidate its trading positions with AIG, even at discounts, and it also would have put pressure on other counterparties that "might have made it difficult for Goldman Sachs to collect on the credit protection it had purchased against an AIG default."[84] Finally, the report said, an AIG default would have forced Goldman Sachs to bear the risk of declines in the value of billions of dollars in collateralized debt obligations.

Goldman argues that credit default swaps are marked to market (i.e. valued at their current market price) and their positions netted between counterparties daily. Thus, as the cost of insuring AIG's obligations against default rose substantially in the lead-up to its bailout, the sellers of the CDS contracts had to post more collateral to Goldman Sachs. Thus, the firm claims its hedges were effective and the firm would have been protected against an AIG bankruptcy and the risk of knock-on defaults, had AIG been allowed to fail.[81] However, in practice, the collateral would not protect fully against losses both because protection sellers would not be required to post collateral that covered the complete loss during a bankruptcy and because the value of the collateral would be highly uncertain following the repercussions of an AIG bankruptcy. As with the bankruptcy of Lehman Brothers, wider and longer-term systemic and economic turmoil brought on by an AIG default would probably have affected the firm and all other market participants.

[edit] Final AIG meetings on 15th September at the New York Federal Reserve
Some have cited, although incorrectly as others have noted,[85] that Goldman Sachs received preferential treatment from the government by being the only Wall Street firm to have participated in the crucial September meetings at the New York Fed, which decided AIG's fate. Much of this has stemmed from an inaccurate but often quoted New York Times article. The article was later corrected to state that Lloyd Blankfein, CEO of Goldman Sachs, was "'one of the Wall Street chief executives at the meeting" (emphasis added). Bloomberg has also reported that representatives from other firms were indeed present at the September AIG meetings.[86] Furthermore, Goldman Sachs CFO David Viniar has stated that CEO Blankfein had never met with his predecessor and then-US Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson to discuss AIG;[87] Paulson was not present at the September meetings at the New York Fed. It is also a lesser known fact that Morgan Stanley was hired by the Federal Reserve to advise them on the AIG bailout.[88]

According to the New York Times, Paulson spoke with the CEO of Goldman Sachs two dozen times during the week of the bailout, though he obtained a ethics waiver before doing so.[89] While it is common for regulators to be in contact with market participants to gather valuable industry intelligence, particularly in a crisis, the Times noted he spoke with Goldman's Blankfein more frequently than with other large banks. Federal officials say that although Paulson was involved in decisions to rescue A.I.G, it was the Federal Reserve that played the lead role in shaping and financing the A.I.G. bailout.[89]"

(Quelle: wikipedia.org)
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Für mich gibt es keinen Zweifel, dass da seit November 2008 einige Dinge sehr seltsam gelaufen sind. Am 10.03. 09 kündigten die Goldmänner einen von Mainstreet "völlig unerwarteten Gewinn" für Q1 an. Zwischen dem 03.01. und dem 08.03.09 war der SPX von rd. 940 auf rd. 670 Punkte gefallen. Da konnte man auf der Shortzocker-Seite natürlich erhebliche Gewinne einfahren. Ähnlich sieht dies bereits seit Ende 2008 bei den Longbonds aus. Auch da dürfte GS auf der Verkäuferseite gestanden haben.

Mein Kommentar: So hat wohl die "Wegbereiterin der Super-Rallye" ihren verblüffenden Q1/09-Gewinn generiert - keineswegs jedoch aus ihrem Kerngeschäft.
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AngelaFerkel - # 55147

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01.01.10 21:45
Auch im Premium-Sektor sieht es z.Z. weniger als nur bescheiden aus, insbesondere was die Leasing-Verträge angeht! Und letztere machen in diesem Sektor etwa zwei Drittel des Umsatzes aus. Diese brechen aktuell bereits massiv ein. Der größte Mercedes-Händler unserer Region rechnet für 2010 mit einem Einbruch von mindestens 30 % im Leasing-Geschäft insgesamt. In den letzten Wochen habe ich mal einen Blick auf die Gebrauchtswagenhalden der größten Händler geworfen: Noch nie habe ich größere und günstigere Angebote gesehen, z.B. ein Ford Mondeo Jahreswagen mit 12000 km 40 % unter Neupreis.
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wawidu:

US Federal Government Employment

5
01.01.10 23:45
Eine sehr interessante Perspektive habe ich hier gefunden:

www.calculatedriskblog.com/2010/01/...s-on-employment-and.html

Ich frage mich allerdings, ob die derzeitige völlig desolate Haushaltslage der USA einen solchen "Impact" überhaupt noch als möglich erscheinen lässt. Die Anzahl der im Staatsdienst Beschäftigten hat die der in der Industrieproduktion Beschäftigten bereits um rd. 4,2 Millionen überschritten - ein übles Nachkriegsnovum!

Nachfolgend einige sehr aufschlussreiche Daten bzgl. der US-Arbeitsmarktsituation per 11/09:

Bildungs- & Gesundheitswesen: 19,43 Mio.
Freizeit-/Hotel-/Gaststättengewerbe: 13,13 Mio.
Einzelhandelssektor: 14,63 Mio.
Finanzsektor: 7,68 Mio.

Summe: rd. 54 Millionen Beschäftigte

Plus "Staatsdiener" (22,5 Mio.) erhöht sich die Gesamtzahl der im "Service-Sektor" beschäftigten Personen auf 76,5 Mio. Personen - gegenüber 18,3 Mio. Personen in der Güterproduktion.

Dies sind "knallharte Fakten", und keine "hedonische Statistik"!
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