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derph:

@AL: zu "2017"

9
16.06.09 14:47

Diese Zahl "2017" nehme ich nicht für bare Münze; über einen so langen Zeitraum kann keiner eine seriöse Prognose abgeben. Außerdem nennt der DIHK kein Datum bezüglich dem Zeitpunkt des "Wirtschaftsaufschwungs".

Er erklärt (siehe Link in #44918)"...Wir sagen aber nicht, der Aufschwung ist schon da", betonte Wansleben. Für 2010 sei ein w-förmiger Konjunkturverlauf mit Aufwärts- und Abwärtsbewegungen zu erwarten. "Wir befürchten im Moment, dass die Arbeitsmarkt-Rückschläge und Finanzierungsprobleme einen raschen Aufschwung behindern könnten", erklärte er. Insgesamt werde der Aufwärtspfad sehr holprig, nicht zuletzt, weil die Finanzierung neuer Aufträge für viele Unternehmen schwierig werde, heißt es in der DIHK-Konjunkturumfrage. Eine rasche Rückkehr auf den alten, vergleichsweise steilen Wachstumspfad sei perspektivisch nicht in Sicht. ..."

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pfeifenlümmel:

Ölpreis steigt

5
16.06.09 14:55
schneller als die Aktienkurse. Jetzt fehlen noch die Solaranlagen neben den Ölpumpen, um die Abhängigkeit von den Ölförderländern perfekt zu machen.
Steigende Ölpreise dienen als Argument für höhere Aktienkurse, höhere Aktienkurse als Argument für höhere Ölpreise.
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Contrade 121:

@permanent

3
16.06.09 14:56

bei den Daten Short zu gehen, das machst Du doch nicht wirklich ;-))

reiner Selbstmord...

Schau her: 

 

Economic Report, Jun 16, 2009, 8:41 a.m. EST

U.S. housing starts bounce back strongly from record low

Broad-based 17.2% gain led by 62% jump in multifamily construction

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Anti Lemming:

US-Hausbau-Beginne besser als erwartet

11
16.06.09 15:03

Die US-Hausbau-Beginne fielen mit 532.000 besser aus als erwartet (Konsens: 509.000) und liegen um 17,2 % höher als die abwärtsrevidierten Aprilzahlen. Letztere waren allerdings mit 12,9 % Rückgang auf ein Nachkriegstief gefallen. Die aktuelle Zahl liegt unter dem Februarwert und geringfügig über dem Märzwert, so dass sich mittelfristig wenig verändert hat (siehe Liste unten).

Die Zahl der Baugenehmigungen ist ebenfalls leicht gegenüber April gestiegen, liegt aber unter den Zahlen für Januar, Feb. und März - d.h. am unteren Ende des Trends der letzten Monaten. Ich schätze, dass die nächsten Zahlen in beiden Kategorien wieder schlechter ausfallen werden, weil die Hypothekenzinsen in den letzten Wochen stark von gut 4 auf 5,6 % gestiegen sind, was die Nachfrage nach Häusern senkt.

US-Medien feiern die aktuellen Zahlen dennoch als Wende, die Futures steigen (SPX: 927), der Optionsverfall am Freitag naht...

 



Jun 16, 2009, 8:30 a.m. EST
U.S. May housing starts jump 17.2% to 532,000 rate
By Rex Nutting

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) - U.S. housing starts bounced back with a vengeance in May, rising 17.2% to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 532,000 after plunging 12.9% in April to a postwar low, the Commerce Department estimated Tuesday. The surprising increase was led by a 62% gain in new construction of multifamily dwellings. Starts of single-family homes rose 7.5% to a 401,000 rate, the highest since November. Economists surveyed by MarketWatch expected an increase to 485,000. Building permits rose 4% in May to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 518,000. Permits for single-family homes rose 7.9% to a 408,000 annual rate, the highest since November.

 


 

Ein Marketwatch-Leser merkt in einem Kommentar (unten) an, dass die aktuellen Zahlen "nur" im Mittelwert der letzten Monate liegen. In den Boomzeiten von 2005 waren sie um den Faktor 4 höher.

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Anti Lemming:

Korrektur

 
16.06.09 15:09
"und März" im zweiten Absatz streichen. Aktuell ist die Zahl der Baubeginne 518.000, im März waren es 511.000.

Die Zahlen sind freilich notorisch ungenau und können nachträglich stark revidiert werden.
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Eidgenosse:

Man sollte sich durch solche Prozentzahlen

9
16.06.09 15:09
nicht irritieren lassen. Die Bank of Amerika ist seit März auch über 300% gestiegen aber absolut gesehen zum Sommer 2007 ist sie auf einem fünftel des Kurses. Die Bank hat natürlich mehr Aktien draussen aber für die die 2007 eingestiegen sind (Libuda) spielt das keine Rolle.

50% minus brauchen halt 100% plus bis zum EK.
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Anti Lemming:

US-Kapazitätsauslastung: tiefster Wert seit 1946

3
16.06.09 15:27
www.marketwatch.com/story/...ion-slumps-11-in-may-200961691600
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Anti Lemming:

Heutige US-Industrie-Zahlen

6
16.06.09 15:46

Veröffentlichung der Zahlen zur US-amerikanischen Kapazitätsauslastung ("Capacity Utilization") für Mai 2009

Die US-amerikanische Kapazitätsauslastung liegt im Mai bei 68,3 %. Im Monat zuvor hatte sie noch bei 69,0 % gelegen. Damit wurde der zuletzt veröffentlichte Wert von 69,1 % nach unten revidiert.


Veröffentlichung der Zahlen zur US-amerikanischen Industrieproduktion ("Industrial Production") für Mai 2009

Die US-amerikanische Industrieproduktion ist im Mai um 1,1 % gefallen. Erwartet wurde ein Rückgang im Bereich 0,8 %.

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Malko07:

Bei der geringen Auslastung

17
16.06.09 15:54
gibt es viele Kapazitäten für den schon virtuell angelaufenen Aufschwung. Lieferengpässe sind praktisch ausgeschlossen. Es wird also brummen und alles wird gut"

;o)
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Contrade 121:

geringe Auslastung...

7
16.06.09 16:55
bringt mehr Freizeit mit sich. Dies wiederum kann für steigenden Konsum sorgen der ceteris paribus die Wirtschaft zusätzlich ankurbelt. Klingt fast amerikanisch ;-))
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wawidu:

Industrieproduktion und Kapazitätsauslastung

11
16.06.09 17:45
im - noch nicht aktualisierten - langfristigen Bild. Seht ihr die "zart sprießenden grünen Pflänzchen"?
(Verkleinert auf 91%) vergrößern
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Stöffen:

Es gibt Leute, die ich recht ernst nehme

18
16.06.09 18:20

vor allem dann, wenn ihre vergangenen fundamentalen Analysen voll ins Schwarze trafen. Vielleicht erinnert sich der ein oder andere von euch an Andy Xie, welcher bereits Mitte 2007 recht präzise formulierte, wo’s künftig an den Märkten lang gehen wird: “Morgan Stanley former star economist Andy Xie warned that the global boom in equities would be over by 2008 and that this would coincide with a worldwide recession.“

Über den Zero Hedge-Blog bin ich nun an den aktuellen Comment von Andy Xie geraten, über den Tyler Durden, Betreiber des Zero Hedge-Blogs, fast schon überschwänglich schreibt: "If there is one post you read today, this month, or this year, this should be it. Absolutely brilliant summary of the predicament interventionism has gotten us into. If you are looking for insight that will save you money when the market turns, this is it." Dem gibt’s nichts hinzuzufügen.

Andy Xie: Tight Spot for Fed, Blind Spot for Investors

Market chatter over green shoots and rising prices has fueled a bear market rally that won't last, despite policymaker 'noise.'

By Andy Xie, guest economist to Caijing and a board member of Rosetta Stone Advisors Ltd.

(Caijing Magazine) A combination of growth optimism and inflation fear has catapulted asset markets in the past few weeks. These two concerns should drive markets in different directions: Inflation fear, for example, should limit room for stimulus and prompt stock markets to retreat. But the investment camps expressing these opposite concerns go separate ways, each pumping up what seems believable. As a result, stock and commodity markets are mirroring the behavior seen during the giddy days of 2007.

Regardless of what investors or speculators say to justify their punting, the real driving force is the return of animal spirit. After living in fear for more than a year, they just couldn't sit around any longer. So they decided to inch back. The resulting market appreciation emboldened more people. All sorts of theories began to surface to justify the market trend. Now that the rising trend has been around for three months globally and seven months in China, even the most timid have been unable to resist. They're jumping in, in droves.

When the least informed and most credulous get into the market, the market is usually peaking. A rising economy and growing income produces more funds to fuel the market. But the global economy is now stuck with years of slow growth. Strong economic growth won't follow the current stock market surge. This is a bear market rally. People who jump in now will lose big.

Over the past three weeks, the dollar dove while oil and treasury yields surged. These price movements exhibited typical symptoms of inflation fear, which is complicating policymaking around the world. The United States, in particular, could be bottled in. The federal government's fiscal stimulus and liquidity pumping by the Federal Reserve are twin instruments for propping up the bursting U.S. economy. The fiscal deficit could top US$ 2 trillion (15 percent of GDP) in 2009. That would increase by one-third the total stock of federal government debt outstanding. Such a massive amount of federal debt paper needs a buoyant Treasury to absorb. If the Treasury market is a bear market, absorption becomes a huge problem.

U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner recently visited China to, among other things, persuade China to buy more Treasuries. According to a Brookings Institution estimate, China holds US$ 1.7 trillion in U.S. Treasuries and GSE paper (about 15 percent of the total stock). If China stops buying, it could plunge the Treasury market into deep bear territory. If China does not buy, the Treasury market will get worse. But China can't prop up the market by buying.

In the past few years, purchases by central banks around the world have dominated demand for Treasuries. Central banks have been buying because their currencies are linked to the dollar. Hence, such demand is not price sensitive. The demand level is proportionate to the U.S. current account deficit, which determines the amount of dollars held by foreign central banks. The bigger the U.S. current account deficit, the greater the demand for Treasuries. This is why the Treasury yield was trending down during the bulging U.S. current account deficit period 2001-'08.

This dynamic in the Treasury market was changed by the bursting of the U.S. credit-cum-property bubble. It is decreasing U.S. consumption and the U.S. current account deficit. The 2009 deficit is probably under US$ 400 billion, halved from the peak. That means non-U.S. central banks have much less money to buy, while the supply is surging. It means central banks no longer determine Treasury pricing. American institutions and families are now marginal buyers. This switch in who determines price is shifting Treasury yields significantly higher.

The 10-year Treasury yield historically averages about 6 percent, with about 3.5 percent inflation and a real yield of 2.5 percent. This reflects the preferences of marginal buyers in the United States. Foreign central banks have pushed down the yield requirement substantially over the past seven years. If marginal buyers become American again, as I believe, Treasury yields will surge even higher from current levels. Future inflation will average more than 3.5 percent, I believe. Some policy thinkers in the United States believe the Fed should target inflation between 5 and 6 percent. The Treasury yield could rise to between 7.5 and 8.5 percent from the current 3.5 percent.

A massive supply of Treasuries would only worsen the market. The Federal Reserve has been trying to prop the Treasury market by buying more than US$ 300 billion – a purchase that's backfired. Treasury investors are terrified by the inflation implication of the Fed action. It is equivalent to monetizing national debt. As the federal deficit will remain sky-high for years to come, the monetization could become much larger, which might lead to hyperinflation. This is why the Treasury yield has surged in the past three weeks.

One possible response is to finance the U.S. budget deficit with short-term financing. As the Fed controls short-term interest rates, such a strategy could avoid the pain of high interest rates. But this strategy could crash the dollar.

The dollar index-DXY has fallen 10 percent from the March level, even though the U.S. trade deficit has declined substantially. It reflects the market's expectations that the Fed's monetary policy will lead to inflation and a dollar crash. The cause of dollar weakness is the outflow of U.S. money, in my view. It is the primary cause of a surge in emerging markets and commodities. Most U.S. analysts think the dollar's weakness is due to foreigners buying less of it. This is probably incorrect.

The dollar's weakness can limit Fed policy options. It heightens inflation risks; a weak dollar imports inflation and, more importantly, increases inflation expectations, which can be self-fulfilling in today's environment. The Fed has released and committed US$ 12 trillion (83 percent of GDP) for bailing out the financial system. This massive overhang in money supply could cause hyperinflation if not withdrawn in time. So far, the market is still giving the Fed the benefit of the doubt, believing it will indeed withdraw the money. Dollar weakness reflects the market's wavering confidence in the Fed. If the wavering continues, it could lead to a dollar collapse and make inflation self-fulfilling.

The Fed may have to change its stance, even using token gestures, to assure the market it won't release too much money. For example, signaling rate hikes would soothe the market. But the economy is still in terrible shape; unemployment may surpass 10 percent this year. Any suggestion of hiking interest rates would dampen growth expectations. The Fed is caught between a rock and a hard place.

Oil prices have doubled since a March low, even though global demand continues to decline. The driving forces again are expectations of inflation and a weaker dollar. As U.S.-based funds flee, some of the money has flowed into oil ETFs. This initially impacted futures prices, creating a huge gap between cash and futures prices. The gap increased inventory demand as investors tried to profit from the gap. Rising inventory demand caused spot prices to reach parity with futures prices. Rising oil prices, though, lead to inflation and depress growth. It is a stagflation factor. If the Fed doesn't rein in weak dollar expectations, stagflation will arrive sooner than I previously expected.

Stagflation in the 1970s spawned the development of rational expectation theory in economics. Monetary stimulus works by fooling people into believing in money's value while the central bank cheapens it. This perception gap stimulates the economy by fooling people into demanding more money than they should. Rational expectation theory clarified the underpinning for Keynesian liquidity theory. However, as they say, people can't be fooled three times. Central banks that tried to use stimuli to solve structural problems in the '70s saw their stimuli didn't work. People saw through what they tried again and again, and began behaving accordingly, which translated monetary stimulus straight into inflation without stimulating economic growth.

Rational expectation theory discredited Keynesian theory and laid the foundation for Paul Volker's tough love policy, which jagged up interest rates and triggered a recession. The recession convinced people that the central bank was serious about cooling inflation, so they adjusted their behavior accordingly. Inflation expectations fell sharply afterward. The credibility that Volker brought to the Fed was exploited by Alan Greenspan, who kept pumping money to solve economic problems. As I have argued before, special factors made Greenspan's approach effective at the same. Its byproduct was asset bubbles. As the environment has changed, rational expectation theory will again exert force on the impact of monetary policy.

Movements in Treasury yields, oil and the dollar underscore the return of rational expectation. Policymakers have to take actions to dent the speed of its returning. Otherwise, the stimulus will lose traction everywhere, and the global economy will slump. I expect at least gestures from U.S. policymakers to assuage market concerns about rampant fiscal and monetary expansion. The noise would be to emphasize the "temporary" nature of the stimulus. The market will probably be fooled again. It will fully wake up only in 2010. The United States has no way out but to print money. As a rational country, it will do what it has to, regardless of its rhetoric. This is why I expect a second dip for the global economy in 2010.

While inflation expectations are causing some in the investor community to act, the rest are betting on strong economic recovery. Massive amounts of money have flowed into emerging markets, making it look like a runaway train. Many bystanders can't take it any longer and are jumping in. Markets, after trending up for three months, are gapping up. Unfortunately for the last-minute bulls, current market movements suggest peaking. If you buy now, you have a 90 percent chance of losing money when you try to get out.

Contrary to all the market noise, there are no signs of a significant economic recovery. So-called green shoots in the global economy are mostly due to inventory cycles. Stimuli might juice up growth a bit in the second half 2009. Nothing, however, suggests a lasting recovery. Markets are trading on imagination.

The return of funds flowing into property is even more ridiculous.  A property burst usually lasts for more than three years. The current burst is larger than usual. The property market is likely to remain in bear territory for much longer. The bulls are talking about inflation as the bullish factor for property. Unfortunately, property prices have risen already and need to come down even as CPI rises. Then the two can reach parity.

While rational expectation is returning to part of the investment community, most investors are still trapped by institutional weakness, which makes them behave irrationally. The Greenspan era has nurtured a vast financial sector. All the people in this business need something to do. Since they invest other people's money, they are biased toward bullish sentiment. Otherwise, if they say it's all bad, their investors will take back the money, and they will lose their jobs. Governments know that, and create noise to give them excuses to be bullish.

This institutional weakness has been a catastrophe for people who trust investment professionals. In the past two decades, equity investors have done worse than those who held U.S. market bonds, and who lost big in Japan and emerging markets in general. It is astonishing that a value-destroying industry has lasted so long. The greater irony is that salaries in this industry have been two to three times above what's paid in other sector. The key to its survival is volatility. As markets collapse and surge, possibilities for getting rich quickly are created. Unfortunately, most people don't get out when markets are high, as they are now. They only take a ride.

Indeed, most people who invest in the stock market get poorer. Look at Japan, Korea and Taiwan: Even though their per capita incomes have risen enormously over the past three decades, investors in these stock markets lost money. Economic growth is a necessary but not sufficient condition for investors to make money in the stock market. Most countries, unfortunately, don't possess the conditions for stock markets to reflect economic growth. The key is good corporate governance. It requires rule of law and good morality. Neither is apparent in most markets.

It's a widely accepted notion that long term stock investors make money. Actually, this is not true. Most companies don't last for more than 20 years. How can long term investment make money for you? The bankruptcy of General Motors should remind people that this notion is ridiculous. General Motors was a symbol of the U.S. economy, a century-old company that succumbed to bankruptcy. In the long run, all companies go bankrupt.

Property on the surface is better than the stock market. It is something physical that investors can touch. However, it doesn't hold much value in the long run either. Look at Japan: Its property prices are lower than they were three decades ago. U.S. property prices will likely bottom below levels of 20 years ago, after adjusting for inflation.

China's property market holds even less value in the long run. Chinese properties are sitting on land leased for 70 years for residential properties and 50 years for commercial properties. Their residual values are zero at the end. The hope for perpetual appreciation is a joke. If you accept zero value at the end of 70 years, the property value should only be the use value during those 70 years. The use value is fully reflected in rental yield. The current rental yield is half the mortgage interest rate. How could properties not be overvalued? The bulls want buyers to ignore rental yield and focus on appreciation. But appreciation in the long run isn't possible. Depreciation is, as the end value is zero.

The world is setting up for a big crash, again. Since the last bubble burst, governments around the world have not been focusing on reforms. They are trying to pump a new bubble to solve existing problems. Before inflation appears, this strategy works. As inflation expectation rises, its effectiveness is threatened. When inflation appears in 2010, another crash will come.

If you are a speculator and confident you can get out before it crashes, this is your market. If you think this market is for real, you are making a mistake and should get out as soon as possible. If you lost money during your last three market entries, stay away from this one – as far as you can.

http://english.caijing.com.cn/2009-06-09/110180019.html

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Bubbles are normal and non-bubble times are depressions!
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wawidu:

Eine spannende Angelegenheit

7
16.06.09 19:22
market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/...AY-Watch-Bernanke.html

Und noch zwei interessante Blogs:

www.calculatedriskblog.com/2009/06/...-maximum-government.html

www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/06/green-shoots-everywhere/print/
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pfeifenlümmel:

Roubini leicht zuversichtlich

4
16.06.09 19:27
Herr Roubini, jeder will derzeit vor allem eines wissen: Wann geht es wieder aufwärts?

Was die wirtschaftliche Erholung angeht, bin ich skeptischer als die meisten. Ich gehe nicht davon aus, dass die Nachfrage vor Ende des Jahres anzieht. Und dann wird die Erholung eine geringe Dynamik haben. Immerhin: besser als der freie Fall.

Was stimmt Sie zuversichtlich?

Die Globalisierung wird nicht aufhören, Länder wie China und Indien werden weiter integriert. Es mag sich eine Zeitlang abschwächen, doch der Prozess intensiverer Handelsbeziehungen zwischen den ökonomisch reifen Ländern und den Schwellenländern sowie unter den Entwicklungsländern selbst kehrt sich nicht um.

www.handelsblatt.com/politik/nachrichten/...-die-krise;2361638
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permanent:

It's No Bull

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16.06.09 19:31
@pfeiffenlümmel: vgl. Posting: 44903
 
It's No Bull: Bears Are Still In Control of the Stock Market
Posted By: Jeff Cox | CNBC.com
CNBC.com
| 16 Jun 2009 | 01:21 PM ET

Pay no attention to that 35 percent gain in the past three months—this is still every bit of a bear market, no matter what traditional definitions say.

 

That, at least, is the opinion of many market pros who say that even though the surge off the March lows fits the technical definition of a bull market, a broader view indicates otherwise.

"My problem with saying we're in a bull market right now is we really haven't seen this market tested," says David Twibell, president of wealth management for Colorado Capital Bank in Denver. "To me a bull market is strong enough to withstand a pullback over the course of time. We really haven't had a major pullback since those lows in March."

That early-March bottom is being treated as the low by which the market's current standard is measured.

Since then, the Dow Jones industrials have risen nearly 35 percent and the Standard & Poor's 500—the more popular barometer on trading floors—has bounced almost 40 percent.

 

As a matter of traditional definition, a bull market is when stocks are up 20 percent from their most recent low. Conversely, a bear market is a 20 decline from the most recent high.

So why isn't this a bull market?

"A lot of it depends on time frame," Twibell says. "If you're trying to make investment decisions that have time frames of years not months, it's awfully early to be considering this a bull market. I think the jury is still out."

And therein lies the rub.

 

Time makes all the difference when trying to characterize the nature of this market. While it's certainly true that stock indexes have enjoyed a remarkable resurgence since the 12-year lows reached in March, the averages are still way off the point in October 2007 when the market blew up.

Both the Dow and the S&P are down nearly 40 percent from those levels, while the Nasdaq is lower by about 36 percent.

  • Get Dow 30 quotes in real time here

    "If you are a short-term trader then you undoubtedly feel like we are in a bull market," says Chip Hanlon, president of Delta Global Advisors in Huntington Beach, Calif. "If your viewpoint is longer than that, I think you're still operating on the notion that we're in a bear market. The bear market is 10 years old now and this bear market looks a lot like the stealth bear market of 1966 to 1982."

    That period encompassed the time from when the Dow first crossed 1,000 until the last time it eclipsed it for good. There were numerous rallies along the way, but for a 16-year time period investors playing the entire market saw precious little returns.

    Even for those with a short time period, this is feeling a lot like the malaise that encompassed the markets in the Johnson-to-Reagan years.

     

    Schaeffer's Investment Research in Cincinnati deals mostly with short-term trades, but analysts there believe long-term trends show the market is still well inside bear territory—and likely to stay there for quite some time.

    Analysis of 60-month and 80-month trend lines show the S&P well under the landmark, which would, if reached, put the average into the mid-1100s. Anything short of that would constitute a bear run because stocks would be unable to break that barrier.

    "With respect to longer term trend lines we follow, we are still within the context of a bear market," says Todd Salamone, vice president of research at Schaeffer's. "That being said there is a lot of room to rally up to these trend lines, which would indicate a bear market rally."

  • Bartiromo: Time for market caution

    Indeed, the distinction between a bull and bear market is not merely one of semantics. Many advisors plot their strategies based on the difference.

    "If you have a longer-term viewpoint then you're probably still operating in the midst of a bear market and investing accordingly, with higher-than-average exposure to cash and alternative asset classes like commodities and below-average exposure to stocks," Hanlon says. "If you're a shorter-term trader, who cares? If you're a longer-term investor, that should matter."

    The trappings of a bear market have been drawing an increasingly loud chorus of warnings from various parts, including across the Atlantic where UK markets are in a similar quandary.

     

    "There has been a genuine improvement in market sentiment, but it is difficult to justify US and European stock market gains of around 30% since early March," David Kern, of Kern Consulting and an economic adviser to the British Chambers of Commerce, wrote in an analysis titled, "Premature market euphoria gives way to sober realism."

    "Further declines can be expected," Kern adds, "even if the lowest point in the bear market is behind us."

    That doesn't mean that investors should run and hide, but the bull-bear conflict has inspired strategies among investment professionals that guard against too much enthusiasm.

    Salamone has been advising clients to hedge long individual stock positions with bearish plays on broader indexes.

    "It's OK to have a bullish outlook, but there should be some caution with that as well," he says. "We're approaching it both ways."

    Nadav Baum, managing director of investments at BPU Investment Management in Pittsburgh, has been using the uncertainty as a chance to buy best-of-class across the sectors and to add to inflation-hedging energy positions through plays such as the Energy Select SPDR ETF.

    "With all the carnage we went through, this is the opportunity of a generation to own great companies at just ridiculously low valuations," Baum says. "Wall Street can deal with recessions—we had 10 in the last 60 years. The abyss, the true crisis mode, is over."

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pfeifenlümmel:

Mein Freund ist der, der

 
16.06.09 19:34
ebenfalls ein Feind meines Feindes ist.

Beispiel Russland: Zunächst hatte der Kreml noch mitteilen lassen, der Terminkalender von Präsident Dmitrij Medwedjew lasse kein Treffen mit dem iranischen Kollegen zu. Doch dann trafen die beiden doch kurz und geschäftsmäßig zusammen. Die zwei Präsidenten hätten sich auf eine weitere Kooperation besonders in der Wirtschaft und im humanitären Bereich verständigt, sagte Medwedjews Sprecherin.
www.handelsblatt.com/politik/international/...mpft-auf;2365284
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wawidu:

NDX-Gaps

8
16.06.09 19:42
Aus "Steffens Daily" von heute:

In 13 Jahren blieben nur vier Gaps offen
von Jochen Steffens

Ich hatte gestern von den Gaps im Nasdaq100 bei 1.435 und 1.254 Punkten geschrieben. Gerade die amerikanischen Trader sind sehr pedantisch, wenn es um das Schließen von Gaps geht. Fast alle Gaps des Nasdaq100 werden irgendwann geschlossen. Aus diesem Grund heute ein paar weitere Informationen dazu. Zunächst zwei Definitionen:

Einfach ausgedrückt, ist ein Gap eine Kurslücke in einem Chart. Es ist also ein Bereich innerhalb eines Kursverlaufs, in welchem tatsächlich keine einzige Aktie den Besitzer gewechselt hat. Das bedeutet: Das Tagestief, also der niedrigste Kurs eines neuen Handelstags liegt höher als das Tageshoch des vorigen Handelstages (Gap Up) oder das Tageshoch eines neuen Handelstages liegt niedriger als das Tagestief des Vortages (Gap Down).

Geschlossen wird ein Gap, wenn irgendwann später in diesem Kursbereich ein Handel stattfindet, so dass eine Kerze oder der Docht einer Kerze die gesamte Spanne der Kurslücke ausfüllt.

Fällt der Nasdaq100 auf 1.254 Punkte?

Ich hatte gestern schon von der Gefahr geschrieben, dass der Nasdaq100 noch sein Gap bei 1.254 Punkten schließt. Derart große Gaps im Nasdaq100 machen mir immer Sorgen, denn diese Gaps beinhalten eine hohe Wahrscheinlichkeit, dass sie noch geschlossen werden. Wie groß die Gefahr ist, belegt folgender Chart:

In diesem Chart sind alle Gaps (grüne Rechte) eingezeichnet, die seit dem Hoch im Jahr 2000 gerissen wurden. Gaps, die noch offen sind, wurden rot gekennzeichnet.

Diesem Chart liegt folgende Statistik zugrunde:

Seit dem Hoch im März 2000 wurden insgesamt 144 Gaps geöffnet.
Davon waren 76 Gap Ups und 68 Gap Downs.

Bis auf sieben Gaps wurden alle, sprich 137 Gaps, geschlossen.

Das allein ist eigentlich schon sehr beeindruckend und im Chart erkennt man deutlich die Relation zwischen den wenigen offenen und den vielen geschlossenen Gaps. Wenn man nun noch die drei Gaps heraus rechnet, die erst in den letzten drei Monaten gerissen wurden und die natürlich noch sehr bald geschlossen werden können, bleiben lediglich vier offene Gaps übrig! Eines davon, das bei 2.300 Punkten (das breite rote in der Mitte) wäre im Oktober 2007 beinahe geschlossen worden. Ob die unteren drei noch geschlossen werden, wissen wir ebenfalls nicht.

In 13 Jahren nur vier offene Gaps

An dieser Zahl offener Gaps ändert sich übrigens auch nichts, wenn man die vorherige Aufwärtsbewegung des Nasdaq100 hinzunehmen würde. Vom 07.11.1996 an kann nämlich kein weiteres Gap mehr offen sein. Die gesamte Aufwärtsbewegung, die seitdem startete, wurde mit dem Tief am 8.10.2002 bei 795,25 Punkten abgedeckt. Somit blieben aus den vergangenen 13 Jahren nur vier Gaps offen (wenn die jüngsten drei noch geschlossen werden).

Wie lange dauert es im Schnitt, bis Gaps geschlossen werden?

Natürlich muss man klären, wie schnell diese Gaps geschlossen werden:

53,5 % der Gaps wurden innerhalb von sieben Tagen geschlossen
71,1 % innerhalb von 14 Tagen.
78,9 % der Gaps wurden innerhalb von einem Monat (30 Tagen) geschlossen.
Nach einem Jahr waren nur noch 5,4 % der Gaps offen.

Auch das sieht sehr gut aus. 71,1 % der Gaps wurden innerhalb von 14 Tagen geschlossen. Hieraus könnte man sicherlich einige funktionale Tradingsysteme entwickeln.

Was gerne übersehen wird

Bei dieser Betrachtung wird jedoch eines außen vor gelassen: Im Prinzip befinden wir uns an den Märkten und damit auch in gewisser Weise im Nasdaq100 seit 1996 in einer Art Seitwärtsbewegung (wie ich hier oft genug beschrieben habe). Ein großer andauernder Trend ist demnach nicht zu erkennen. Mit großer Wahrscheinlichkeit werden in einem großen Trend wesentlich mehr Gaps offen bleiben. Und diese offenen Gaps würden jedes Handelssystem, das mit Gaps arbeitet, erheblich belasten. Leider kann man das nicht wirklich gut bei vergangenen großen Trends testen, da in dieser Zeit das Handelsvolumen im Vergleich zu heute wesentlich niedriger waren und somit frühere Trends im Nasdaq100 deutlich weniger Gaps aufweisen.

Wenn man jedoch davon ausgeht, dass die Märkte auch noch die nächsten Jahre seitwärts laufen, kann man natürlich diese beeindruckenden Quoten gewinnbringend nutzen. Wichtig ist dabei, dass man sich auf den Nasdaq100 spezialisiert. In anderen Indizes und ganz besonders bei Aktien ist die Gapschlussquote oft deutlich niedriger.

Fazit

Gaps sind immer gefährlich. Sie beinhalten eine hohe Wahrscheinlichkeit, geschlossen zu werden. Die Chancen, dass das tiefere Gap bei 1.254 Punkten noch geschlossen wird, ist damit relativ groß. Allerdings rechne ich damit erst nach dem Verfallstag, wahrscheinlich sogar erst nach dem Sommer. Das höhere Gap bei 1.435 Punkten kann durchaus in den nächsten Tagen geschlossen werden.
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daiphong:

hm, die gaps. Werden sie nicht immer geschlossen,

 
16.06.09 19:49
wenn es mal rauf, mal runter geht?
Merkwürdige Theorie, ich kann mir eine Wirkung nur ganz kurzfristig vorstellen.
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Stöffen:

Where Are Profits Going?

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16.06.09 20:01

Where Are Profits Going?

 
This blog's position has always been that the US economy's performance post-2000 has been due to ever-increasing assumption of debt, particularly by households to finance real estate purchases and personal consumption. I don't think anyone can dispute this any more: just look at the chart below (click to enlarge).

 

Der USA Bären-Thread 5992263The Debt Boom Finally Begat The Bust
Charts: FRB St. Louis

Debt kept accelerating while GDP remained "stuck" at around 5% annually (these are nominal figures). In the end, the debt boom created its own bust and dragged down the entire economy. Cement shoes come to mind...

So, now what? What does the future hold? In particular, I am referring to corporate profits, the fundamental driver of stock market performance. We can analyse markets using a multitude of perspectives from astrological to psychological but, when it's all said and done, what matters is profits.

Since 1997, or so, households assumed ever more debt in order to consume and, thus, increase corporate profits. At the top in 2006 it took an additional $1.3 trillion in household debt to generate an additional $300 billion in profits, i.e. a ratio of 4.3 times (see chart below). The debt intensity of corporate profitability was huge, but it weren't corporations themselves that were going into debt; it was their customers.

Der USA Bären-Thread 5992263Annual Increases In Household Debt and Corporate Profits ($ Billion)

We are now deep in a debt-bust crisis and it is the first time since at least 1953 that household debt is decreasing in absolute numbers, year on year. What does this mean for corporate profits? Based on the relationship above, I expect they have quite a bit more to drop, perhaps after a (very) brief period of stabilization due to cost cutting (see chart below).

Der USA Bären-Thread 5992263Corporate Profits After Tax

I would thus not be at all surprised to see after-tax profits go back to around $300 billion/year, where they were in 1992 at the beginning of the debt acceleration cycle. What does this mean for stocks? Look at the chart of S&P 500 below (click to enlarge).

Der USA Bären-Thread 5992263S&P 500 Share Index

In 1992 S&P 500 was around 400, or 57% lower than current levels. Of course, this is a pretty simplistic and one-faceted approach to corporate profits and the market, dealing as it does only with debt. (But then again... KISS has always been pretty good guidance.)

There is another macro approach to corporate profits, however. As a share of GDP pre-tax profits had reached a record 13% in 2006: corporate greed had reached a peak, indeed.

Der USA Bären-Thread 5992263Data: FRB St. Louis

If the ratio of profits declines to a new low, say 5%, and nominal GDP declines another 10% to $12.6 trillion (not at all impossible in this crisis, it was there at the end of 2005), then we are looking at pre-tax corporate profits of around $630 billion.

Now, include a boost in tax rates from the Obama administration and the $300 billion after-tax number mentioned above does not look so outlandish, all of a sudden.

http://suddendebt.blogspot.com/2009/06/where-are-profits-going.html

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musicus1:

short ist erst mit hoher quote im sp500

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16.06.09 20:06
bei 870 angesagt..m.m. da stocke ich meine langfristshorts auf......
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Kicky:

4 BRIC Staaten wollen neue Weltordnung

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16.06.09 20:15
An ihnen kommt niemand mehr vorbei: Die Bric-Staaten Brasilien, Russland, Indien und China sind die kommenden Wirtschaftsmächte. Auf ihrem Treffen im russischen Jekaterinburg geht es um nichts weniger als eine Reform der internationalen Finanzarchitektur – Kluge Anleger bauen ihr Portfolio jetzt um.
www.welt.de/finanzen/article3938361/...eue-Weltordnung-an.html

Gemeinsam sind sie schon jetzt eine Supermacht: die Bric-Staaten Brasilien, Russland, Indien und China. Jetzt trafen sich diese vier größten Staaten an der Schwelle zur Industrienation (Schwellenländer) in russischen Jekaterinburg zu ihrem ersten gemeinsamen Gipfel. Auch Vertreter anderer asiatischer Emerging Markets waren vertreten und verliehen dem Kongress umso mehr Gewicht. Finanzmarkt-Akteure schauten genauso hin, als würde es sich um eine Pressekonferenz der US-Notenbank oder um ein G8-Treffen der acht größten Wirtschaftsnationen handeln.
An Bric kommt keiner vorbei“, stellt HSBC-Ökonom Ou Hongbin fest. Auch Anleger tun gut daran, schon jetzt ihr Portfolio auf die Neue Weltordnung umzustellen und den vier Aufsteiger-Staaten mehr Gewicht einzuräumen. Auch die Währungs-Risiken, die im Depot schlummern, müssen überdacht werden, gerade was den umstrittenen Dollar anbelangt.

Bei jeder Äußerung, die vom Tagungsort nach außen drang, schwankte der Greenback als Leitwährung nervös hin und her. Die Bandbreite im Verhältnis zum Euro war am Dienstag mit 1,3750 bis 1,3935 ungewöhnlich groß. Der russische Rubel und der chinesische Renminbi (Yuan) gewannen während der Gespräche deutlich an Wert. Auch am Rentenmarkt löste das Bric-Treffen größere Bewegungen aus: So legten brasilianische Staatsanleihen stark zu, bestimmte Papiere erreichten sogar einen historischen Höchststand.
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wawidu:

Market Participation Index (1)

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16.06.09 20:17
Dieser bei market-harmonics.com entwickelte Indikator-Index ist wie der Force Index einer der interessantesten Volumen-Indikatoren:

Market Participation Index (MPI)
Developed at Market Harmonics, this chart measures the ratio of upside/downside volume to total volume.  In a sense, it's a relative strength look at cumulative daily upside/downside volume, against total cumulative volume. We provide both a ten year and 3 year chart to compare over different historical periods.  We use total volume as a proxy for participation, and measure whether it is leaning bearish or bullish.  The MPI differs from the Arms Index in that it focuses purely on volume trends without advance/decline data for the calculation.  It also differs from other similar indicators in that it relates the proportion of upside/downside volume to total volume, which I believe helps in defining the overall long-term volume trend.  Percentages are used to represent the relationship of upside/downside volume.
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Market Participation Index (2)

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Stöffen:

Der neue Zimbabwe-Fonds ist da!

3
16.06.09 20:32
Immerhin haben die Cracks 234% in 2008 abgeholt, das ist schon eine Hausnummer ;-))

June 16 (Bloomberg) -- 36 South Investment Managers Ltd., whose Black Swan Fund gained 234 percent in 2008, is raising money for a new hedge fund, betting that government efforts to pump money into economies could result in hyperinflation.

The Excelsior Fund targets returns that will be five times the average annual rate of inflation of the Group of Five economies -- France, Germany, Japan, the U.K. and the U.S. -- should the rate exceed 5 percent, Jerry Haworth, co-founder of the firm, said yesterday. Raising $100 million for the fund would be a “good” amount, he said.

“There is a sharply increased risk of greater than 5 percent inflation starting from now,” Haworth said in a telephone interview from London. “We are in the lag period between when the seeds of inflation are sown and when their off- spring, that is higher prices, are evident for all to see.”

U.S. President Barack Obama is selling record amounts of debt to try to end the steepest U.S. recession in 50 years, while Japanese Prime Minister Taro Aso has unveiled three stimulus packages worth 25 trillion yen ($261 billion) since taking office in September. Governments around the world selling record amounts of debt may devalue currencies against assets and spark inflation.

Most investors are underestimating the risk of inflation, Haworth said. Consumer prices in the U.S., the world’s largest economy, are set to rise 1.7 percent next year, following a 0.6 percent decline this year, according to the median of 70 economists surveyed by Bloomberg.

Inflation Risk

“There is certainly talk about inflation but people might think of inflation at 5 percent or 6 percent,” Zimbabwean-born Haworth said. “We’re talking 5, 10, 15, 20 percent or more.”

Investor Marc Faber said on May 27 he was “100 percent sure” that U.S. prices may increase at rates “close to” Zimbabwe’s gains, and the U.S. economy will enter “hyperinflation” because the Federal Reserve will be reluctant to raise interest rates. Zimbabwe’s inflation rate reached 231 million percent in July, the last annual rate published by the statistics office.

Universa Investments LP, the hedge-fund firm advised by “Black Swan” author Nassim Taleb, is also adding a strategy betting that stimulus efforts won’t prevent deflation or could result in hyperinflation.

Inflation will likely be “very low” through 2010, said Alvin Liew, an economist at Standard Chartered Plc in Singapore. There will only be “a risk of very high inflation” starting in 2011 if governments fail to rein in “those excesses that they did to stimulate the economy in the near future,” he said.

“For now, I will be more concerned about how sustainable the growth recovery path is,” Liew said. “When we move into the later part of 2010, investors should pay more attention to inflation.”

Options

36 South’s Excelsior Fund will buy long-dated options it considers cheap and that “stand a good chance of outperforming in an inflationary environment,” Haworth said. Options are contracts to buy or sell a security by a certain date at a specific price.

The fund will wager on an increase in commodity and equity prices, bond yields and increased currency volatility.

“It’s a very high-risk, high-return fund,” said Haworth, who has been trading derivatives for more than 20 years as the former head of equity derivatives at Johannesburg-based Investec Ltd., and co-founder of Peregrine Holdings Ltd., a South African money manager and stockbroker.

The firm will be marketing the fund in the next three months.

36 South has closed its Black Swan Fund, which bet on risk- aversion events, and returned the money to investors after profiting from last year’s global markets rout.

Returns on the inflation fund “could be even higher than the Black Swan Fund though the likelihood is smaller as options are more expensive than they were when the Black Swan positions were bought,” Haworth said.

www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aku06Rgam3n0
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musicus1:

stöffen und dem bin ich 974129

 
16.06.09 20:36
75 proz. plus bis jetzt........
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