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Anti Lemming:

Maxgreen - zu den gesunkenen "home inventories"

16
24.09.09 16:28
Und was ist mit dem riesigen "shadow inventory" der Banken? Die haben haufenweise Häuser aus Zwangsversteigerungen ("bank owned") an der Hacke, die sie nicht auf dem freien Markt anbieten, weil sie die Preise nicht noch weiter in den Keller drücken wollen. Verkäufe dieser Häuser würden auch Abschreibungen nötig machen, die die - eigenkapital-knappen - Banken lieber unterlassen (einfacher ist es, die Häuser mit dem Einkaufswert zu bilanzieren).

Dennoch drücken die "bank-owned"-Häuser, deren Wert bei längerem Leerstand schnell verfällt und deren Instandhaltung kostspielig ist, auf die Bankbilanzen. Es ist daher realistisch anzunehmen, dass die Banken bei Knappwerden des "offiziellen" Bestands und bei Preiserhöhungen vermehrt ihre  "bank-owned"-Häuser am Markt anbieten.  Daher ist bei den Hauspreisen der Deckel drauf, auch die Bestände werden dadurch automatisch immer wieder aufgefüllt.

Dass der Bestand (inventory) an gebrauchten Häuser zurückgeht, ist daher keine wirklich aussagekräftige Information. Wie groß dieses Inventory ist, hängt auch davon ab, wieviel Häuser aus Zwangsversteigerungen die Banken zum Verkauf stellen.
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Anti Lemming:

Dip-Buyer auf Tauchstation - vorerst

4
24.09.09 16:36
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fkuebler:

AL, #49527: Ja, die Stimmung hat sich höchst ...

5
24.09.09 16:43
... erfreulich eingesäuert... ;-)

Aber als dauergeprügelter Bär muss man dann ja heutzutage immer sofort noch 'ne Tonne von Disclaimern machen...
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Anti Lemming:

Im Gegensatz zu Rev Shark

6
24.09.09 16:46
hab ich das Bauchgefühl, dass die US-Indizes heute wieder nahe ihren Tagestiefs schließen werden. Es geht ja nicht nur um Aktien, sondern auch um den parallelen Unwind aus Öl, Rohstoffen, Gold usw.  Die Commodity-Märkte sind eher Future-lastig. Wenn Hedgefonds da liquidieren müssen, weil es deutlich fällt, dann gibt es kaum Dip-Buying. Man sehe sich dazu nur mal den Rohöl-Chart in der zweiten Jahreshälfte 2008 an. Der fiel wie ein Stein.

Shark könnte Recht behalten, falls die großen Fonds heute noch mal für das Window-Dressing zuschlagen. Die haben ja auch Einiges an "Firepower". Die Schwäche bei hochliquiden Momentum-Lieblingen wie Apple spricht allerdings dagegen. Mit sowas laden Fonds auf die Schnelle gern ihr Boot voll. Sieht ja auch gut aus in den Quartalsauszügen, wenn man so was Tolles wie Apple drin hat. Dass man erst bei 180 Dollar zuschlug und nicht schon bei 90, ist dann nur ein Schönheitsfehler, der aus den Auszügen nicht sofort ersichtlich ist ;-)
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Anti Lemming:

Fed fährt Liquidität zurück

9
24.09.09 16:50
Sept. 24, 2009, 10:45 a.m. EDT · Recommend · Post:
Fed cuts TAF, TSLF loan amounts
By Deborah Levine

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- The Federal Reserve Bank of New York said Thursday it would again reduce the amounts of credit offered under its Term Auction Facility and Term Securities Lending Facility, citing continued improvements in financial market conditions. The amount of some TAF loans will be reduced as low as $25 billion, down from $75 billion in the most recent operations and $150 billion offered during worse periods in the credit crisis. The 28-day operations scheduled through January will continue to be for $75 billion to account for possible year-end pressures. TSLF offerings will be reduced to $50 billion in October and $25 billion in the subsequent three months, after already reducing the frequency of operations and the type of securities accepted for exchange.

www.marketwatch.com/story/...9-09-24?tool=1&dist=bigcharts
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Anti Lemming:

"Parallel-Ausverkauf" bei den Commodities

5
24.09.09 17:00
hier das Beispiel Öl (WTI):

Die Reisesaison ist zu Ende, Nigeria kann die preisstützenden Pipeline-Sprengungen zeitgleich eingestellt...
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Anti Lemming:

Und das sagt "Dr. Kupfer"

6
24.09.09 17:12
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pfeifenlümmel:

Wer das Kupfer nicht ehrt,

4
24.09.09 17:30
ist auch das Gold nicht wert.
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Stöffen:

Wir sehen einen Vorgeschmack

8
24.09.09 17:52
auf das, was sich "Orchestrated Drop" nennt.

Um es mit den Worten eines US-Bloggers auszudrücken:

This bust in the stock markets simply demonstrates that the economy and financial system are extremely fragile and are totally dependent on the Fed and Uncle Sugar being the buyers, lenders, monetizers and nationalizers of first, last and only resort.

And the markets will not tolerate any threat to that paradigm.
Bubbles are normal and non-bubble times are depressions!
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Stöffen:

Wer hat in den letzten 10 Jahren outperformt?

15
24.09.09 18:54
Tscha, wer hätte das gedacht, ähemm, besser gemacht ;-)))
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Bubbles are normal and non-bubble times are depressions!
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fkuebler:

Jemand der weiss wie's geht, aber nix zu sagen hat

10
24.09.09 19:15

Volcker: Obama plans maintain 'too big to fail'

Es ist schon ein Jammer, dass Volcker praktisch darum betteln muss, dass wenigstens die Nicht-Banken nicht mehr "too big to fail" sein sollen. Und die erbetene Unterscheidung zwischen Commercial- und Investment-Banken ist sowieso nur ein Feigenblatt für seine totale Ohnmacht: Ein Blankfein wird nämlich - wie andernorts schon gesagt - vielleicht vor Kameras mal dekorativ in Ohnmacht fallen, aber dann einfach eine Depositkunden-Zweigstelle in Alaska eröffnen und mit treuem Augenaufschlag versichern, dass er jetzt eine reine Commercial Bank ist...

Böse Stimmen sagen sowieso, dass Volcker in Wirklichkeit längst mausetot ist. Aber das PPT hat ihn ausgestopft und Elektromotoren eingebaut. Und so lassen sie ihn ab und zu in Pressekonferenzen drohend die Faust recken, damit die US-Longbonds-kaufenden Ausländer glauben, es gäbe noch eine Stimme für die USD-Seriosität in den Obama-Administration...

Former Fed Chair Volcker says Obama's plans keep 'too big to fail,' may cause future bailouts

  • By Daniel Wagner, AP Business Writer
  • On Thursday September 24, 2009, 12:21 pm EDT

WASHINGTON (AP) -- A top White House economic adviser says the Obama administration's proposed overhaul of financial rules preserves the policy of "too big to fail," and could lead to future bailouts.

Former Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volcker said Thursday that by designating some companies as critical to the broader financial system, the plans create an expectation that those firms enjoy government backing in tough times. That implies those financial companies "will be sheltered by access to a federal safety net," he said.

Lawmakers should make clear that nonbank companies will not be saved with federal money, he said.

Emergency measures by the Fed, Treasury and Congress during last year's financial crisis created the expectation that the government would step in to protect failing companies, their bond holders and stockholders, Volcker told the House Financial Services Committee.

Volcker said he does not differ with the administration on most of its proposals, and takes "as a given" that banks will be bailed out in times of crisis.

But he opposed bailouts of insurance firms like American International Group Inc., automakers' finance arms and others.

"The safety net has been extended outside the banking system," Volcker said. "That's what I want to change." He said the administration's proposal to create a new system for winding down large nonbank companies would make that easier.

The administration should make it clearer that a "safety net" will apply only to traditional banks, not investment companies or others. Investors must understand that if a nonbank company fails, stockholders and bondholders' money would be at risk, he added, while endorsing other options for these companies, including forced mergers or liquidation.

Volcker, 81, has emerged as one of the administration's internal critics. He serves as head of President Barack Obama's Economic Recovery Advisory Board, but has said the administration should take a slower, more methodical approach to overhauling the financial system.

Volcker served as Fed chairman from 1979 to 1987, when he tamed raging inflation, though at the cost of painful interest rate hikes that triggered a recession.

In recent speeches, he has expressed little enthusiasm for some of the initiatives under discussion in Washington, including regulating bankers' compensation. He has said there is "ample justification" for public anger at pay practices that were "wildly excessive" and encouraged risk-taking at the expense of stability. But he warned against too much political involvement.

In his remarks Thursday, Volcker endorsed a stricter separation between banks that hold deposits and investment banks. He said the "safety net" should be limited clearly to commercial banks, while investment banks should be excluded.

"Commercial banks are the indispensable backbone of the financial system," Volcker said, giving consumers safe deposit accounts and financial advice.

Investment banks take on more risk and face conflicts of interest when they combine consumer financial services with major corporate dealmaking. Volcker said it would be logical to prohibit commercial banks from trading in securities and derivatives.

The House committee is leading the effort to pass Obama's financial overhaul. Its chairman, Barney Frank, D-Mass., on Wednesday agreed to scale down a key pillar of the financial overhaul: A new regulator to protect consumers from unsafe financial products and activities.

Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner endorsed the less ambitious plans, which would exempt retailers and other nonbank companies from oversight.

Referring to the meeting of global leaders kicking off Thursday in Pittsburgh, Volcker said, "A lot of what needs to be done really does require a certain consistency internationally, because these problems are global."

Leaders including Obama are expected to take up global financial regulation at the meeting.

Volcker also said he hoped the administration would work to create a national charter for large insurance companies. That would help prevent failures like AIG's, where too many regulators oversaw different pieces of the company.

The White House decided not to take on that issue as part of this year's financial overhaul. Frank said the issue is on the agenda for next year.

Frank and Senate Banking Committee Chairman Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., say they will have a bill on financial regulation ready for the president's signature by the end of the year.

Volcker said he supported the administration proposal to create a council to oversee systemwide risk, "so long as there's someone who's guiding the process."

The administration has proposed that the Fed have ultimate authority over those issues, but would have Treasury chair the council.

Volcker said that power should rest with the Fed. He also supports a proposal to create a new position at the central bank, appointed by the president and responsible for financial oversight.

Former Securities and Exchange Commission Chairman Arthur Levitt said the ability to wind down big companies is more important than who oversees risk.

"It does not matter who serves as the cop on the beat if there are no courts of law to send lawbreakers to jail," Levitt said in prepared remarks.

It's critical that lawmakers respond to the recent financial crisis with "important action," Volcker said. "Memories grow dim, and you want to make a system where you don't have a still bigger crisis 10 years from now."

 

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Palaimon:

Geht schon wieder los mit CDO Trading

9
24.09.09 20:04

In dem Zusammenhang stelle ich gleich mal zwei interessante Videos ein, die ein verständliches Bild darüber abgeben, wie der Credit Default Swap Market funktioniert.

 

CDO Trading Returns as Wall Street Plans $4.3  Billion Auction

By Pierre Paulden and Shannon D. Harrington

Sept. 24 (Bloomberg) -- Babson Capital Management LLC and GoldenTree Asset Management  LP are among investors bargain- hunting in the $650 billion market for  collateralized debt obligations linked to corporate debt as credit markets open.

An estimated $11 billion of CDOs backed by high-yield, high-risk loans or linked to corporate bonds using credit  derivatives, have exchanged hands this year, according to Morgan Stanley and  JPMorgan Chase & Co.

Trading in CDOs that contributed to $1.6 trillion of writedowns and credit  losses at banks worldwide increased after the Federal Reserve doubled its  balance sheet to more than $2 trillion to rescue financial institutions. Prices  have more than tripled since May for some securities tied to company debt as  analysts and investors lowered their predictions for defaults and the economy  showed signs of emerging from the longest recession since the Great Depression.

“CDO trading activity has been huge since May,” said Joseph Naggar, a partner at GoldenTree in New York, which oversees $11  billion and has bought loan CDOs and so-called synthetic CDOs composed of  credit-default swaps. “Access to the capital markets has dramatically improved  for companies. As some of the underlying corporate assets have improved, CDOs  have followed.”

The market for buying and selling CDOs, which repackage assets such as  mortgage bonds and loans used in corporate buyouts into new debt with varying  degrees of risk, was shut down last year in the wake of Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc.’s bankruptcy  filing, Naggar said.

Prices Recovered

Trading has restarted and prices recovered as government support of the  banking system increased liquidity, Citigroup Inc. analyst Ratul Roy said.

The three-month London interbank offered rate, the amount banks charge to  lend to one another, has declined to 0.28 percent, from 4.82 percent on Oct. 10,  when the spread between the lending benchmark and the Fed’s target rate reached  a record following the Lehman collapse.

Victoria Finance Ltd., a structured investment vehicle that defaulted last  year, plans to liquidate $4.3 billion of CDOs tomorrow.

The Victoria auction includes $623 million of corporate- debt backed deals,  according to a list obtained by Bloomberg News. Stone Tower Management LLC, a  New York-based investment firm that took over running the SIV from Ceres Capital  Partners LLC after the vehicle could no longer sell commercial paper, is  overseeing the auction. They are selling $2.3 billion of residential  mortgage-backed securities and almost $500 million of corporate bonds Victoria  held.

‘Watershed Event’

“The liquidation of Victoria Finance will be a watershed event” to show  market appetite, Roy said in a telephone interview. “There is increased risk  appetite for almost all forms of CDOs at the right price. There has been a huge  increase in the amount of secondary trading.”

More than $6 billion of collateralized loan obligations, a form of CDO that  pools high-yield, high-risk loans, have traded publicly since May, according to  JPMorgan. High-yield, high-risk debt is rated below Baa3 by Moody’s Investors  Service and BBB- by Standard & Poor’s.

Morgan Stanley analysts, who in January called the secondary market for CDOs  of corporate credit-default swaps “a $300 billion distressed opportunity,”  estimate $5 billion of the CDO securities have traded this year.

‘Active Market’

“There’s quite an active market now,” said Sivan Mahadevan, a derivatives strategist at Morgan Stanley in  New York. “Every time there’s a seller in the market, these investors will come  in and participate in the auctions or buy them directly.”

Babson has bought more than $200 million of CDOs since April, Matthew Natcharian, the head of Babson’s structured credit  team, said in a telephone interview. The $110 billion investment firm, based in  Springfield, Massachussetts, is among buyers of distressed CDOs such as Elliott  Management Corp. in New York and Bain Capital’s $19 billion debt investment arm  Sankaty Advisors LLC in Boston.

Babson has primarily bought CDOs of loans, Natcharian said. GoldenTree has  purchased mainly CLOs and some synthetic CDOs, Naggar said.

Index Climbs

Loan CDOs have gained as prices on the underlying debt climbed from record  lows and prospects for companies failing diminished, Roy said. The S&P/LSTA 100 Leveraged Loan index has  gained 19.6 cents since the end of March to 86 cents on the dollar as of  yesterday. Loans have gained a record 46.9 percent this year after losing an  unprecedented 28.1 percent last year, the S&P/LSTA index shows.

That’s boosted CLO portions ranked AA, the third-highest level of investment  grade, which have more than doubled in the past four months to as much as 70  cents on the dollar. Securities ranked BBB have tripled to 35 cents, Roy said.

The rise in prices still doesn’t always reflect the gains in the underlying  loans, Natcharian said.

“Buying CLO pieces is an opportunity to buy bank loans at a discount to where  they are trading,” he said.

Synthetic CDOs, which sell credit-default swaps that receive annual premiums  in return for taking on the risk of losses from corporate bond defaults, have in  some cases doubled after values dropped to less than 10 cents on the dollar.

The most common synthetic CDO is a so-called mezzanine tranche, in which  investors take on a thin slice of risk. They may, for example, take losses only  after the first 5 percent of companies in the portfolio default, minus the  recovery value. If the losses reach 6 percent, the mezzanine portion is wiped  out.

Top Ratings

Many of the bonds were given top ratings by S&P, Moody’s and Fitch  Ratings because they were backed by highly rated and diversified companies.  Creators of the deals, though, often loaded the portfolios with financial  companies that either failed during the crisis last year, including Lehman and  three Icelandic banks seized by their government, or were cut below investment  grade, such as bond insurers MBIA Inc. and Ambac Financial Group Inc.

Prices on the most distressed bonds that fell to less than 10 cents on the  dollar may now be approaching 20 cents, Mahadevan said. Bonds less likely to  fail, particularly those with shorter maturities, have rallied more, from a  range of about 30 to 40 cents on the dollar to 60 to 80 cents, he said.

The upfront cost of credit-default swaps guaranteeing the 3-percent to  7-percent slice of risk on the Markit CDX North America Investment Grade Index  Series 9 has dropped by 46 percentage points since March 5 to 12.4 percent of  face value, according to CMA DataVision.

Bondholder Protection

Credit-default swaps are financial instruments based on bonds and loans that  are used to speculate on a company’s ability to repay debt. They pay the buyer  face value in exchange for the underlying securities or the cash equivalent  should a borrower fail to adhere to its debt agreements. A rise indicates  deterioration in the perception of credit quality; a decline, the opposite.

Prospects for corporate debt are improving with Moody’s predicting the global  speculative-grade default rate will rise to a peak of 12.6 percent in the fourth  quarter of this year and then decline to 4.3 percent by August 2010, the New  York-based ratings company said Sept. 21 in a statement. In March, Moody’s  estimated the worldwide default rate would reach 14.8 percent by the end of  2009, falling to 13.8 percent by next February.

The same appetite isn’t returning for CDOs that are backed by asset-backed  securities, said Morgan Stanley analyst Vishwanath Tirupattur.

A rise in prices during May and June also made CLO securities less attractive  to some investors, such as Elliott. As of June 30, the New York-based investment  firm cut its exposure to these securities, which had “traded cheap to the  underlying loans,” Elliott wrote in a letter to its investors.

Elliott spokesman Scott Tagliarino declined to comment.

Many holders of corporate CDOs also are unlikely to sell as prospects for  recovery improve. Some investors also have restructured the bonds they hold by  injecting money into them and making them safer, Mahadevan said.

“Clearly not everyone is going to sell,” he said.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a5KbYLsaKQhU

 

>>>Collateralised Debt Obligations (=CDO) sind Wertpapiere, die durch einen Pool diversifizierter Vermögensgegenstände besichert sind (Asset Backed Securities). Diese Vermögensgegenstände sind entweder ein Pool von Forderungen in Form von Anleihen (in sog. Collateralised Bond Obligations = CBO), Krediten (in sog. Collateralised Loan Obligations = CLO), Credit Default Swaps oder eine Mischung daraus. Die Produktbezeichnung CDO ist der Oberbegriff. Die Finanzierung der Forderungen erfolgt durch die Emission von Anleihe- und sog. "Equity"-Tranchen mit unterschiedlicher Rangigkeit.<<<  www.cecu.de/506+M58a105a3020.html

An der Börse ist alles möglich, auch das Gegenteil.  
André Kostolany

MfG
Palaimon
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Palaimon:

CDF Videos

14
24.09.09 20:14
Zitat Warren Buffett: The Credit Default Swaps Markets are financial weapons of mass destruction

Echt gut gemacht.

Folge I



Folge II

An der Börse ist alles möglich, auch das Gegenteil.  
André Kostolany

MfG
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Palaimon:

Das Fatale daran ist,

14
24.09.09 20:33
dass das Finanzsystem bald wieder vor dem Kollaps stehen könnte, da noch immer keine Verpflichtung besteht,  Reserven oder Sondervermögen anzulegen!

Aus der Krise nix gelernt!
An der Börse ist alles möglich, auch das Gegenteil.  
André Kostolany

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pfeifenlümmel:

Wieso Reserven?

 
24.09.09 21:53
Bestellen mal eben eine neue Rolle frisch gedruckter grüner Scheine, fast zum Nulltarif.
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pfeifenlümmel:

Strukturwandel

6
24.09.09 22:18
ist angesagt. Vor einiger Zeit habe ich die Meinung vertreten ( vor Obama´s Rede ), dass die USA  die Rolle des Konsumsaugers ( Staubsaugerprinzip ) nicht weiter übernehmen können ( wollen ), wollen sie nicht endgültig den Dollar als Leitwährung selbst abschießen.
Wie angenehm war diese Rolle für die Chinesen, die ihren Aufstieg gerade dieser Rolle Amerikas zu verdanken hatten. Aber auch bei uns sieht man immer noch das Heil in der Rolle des Exportweltmeisters, verbunden mit geringen Löhnen, um andere ausstechen zu können, verbunden mit einer beschissenen Binnennachfrage, die mal abgesehen von Aldi, dem Hartz - 4 - Tempel, sich nun bitter rächt, nachdem auch unsere lieben Kunden nix mehr am Hintern haben. Der Lohn der Arbeit ist bei vielen inzwischen so tief angesetzt, dass der Staat duch Zuschüsse die Überlebensfähigkeit der Betroffenen absichern muss. Ein zutiefst krankes System.
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fkuebler:

Wirklich toller Tag heute!... ;-)

7
24.09.09 22:34
Jetzt schnell noch ein Fläschchen aufmachen, bevor morgen die bösen Dip-Käufer wieder Spielverderber spielen... ;-)
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CarpeDies:

wer 8 Minuten Zeit hat,

5
24.09.09 22:38
sollte sich das mal reinziehen.
Ist echt übel: www.zerohedge.com/article/...d-upcoming-inflation-expectations
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Anti Lemming:

Nomura - Japans größter Broker: -16 %

5
25.09.09 08:10
wegen zweiter großer Kapitalerhöhung innerhalb von 6 Monaten. Reißt Nikkei um 2,5 % runter.

www.reuters.com/article/companyNews/idUKTRE58O17Q20090925
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Anti Lemming:

Research in Motion enttäuscht - nachbörslich -11 %

6
25.09.09 08:15
Der Blackberry-Hersteller, einer der Highflyer an der Nasdaq, enttäuschte mit schwachem Umsatz und schwachem Ausblick.

www.marketwatch.com/story/...h-line-to-post-results-2009-09-24
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Anti Lemming:

Reiz-Gas gegen G-20-Demonstranten in Pittsburgh

 
25.09.09 08:56
www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/0,1518,651145,00.html
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Maxgreeen:

Bei CNBC diskutierte man heute früh die

3
25.09.09 09:02
Befürchtung der "Überregulierung" der Finanzmärkte. Seit Beginn der Finanzkrise wurde doch bis auf die Begrenzung der Managergehälter noch nichts geregelt. Der Steuerzahler hat den Banken geholfen und die Banken haben die Märkte mit billigem Geld aufgeblasen.

Ziel der Propaganda: "Seht her die Märkte erholen sich, neue Regeln sind nicht nötig. Der Markt rettet sich selbst"
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fkuebler:

In Pittsburgh: alle Mann an die PUUMMPEENNN!!

5
25.09.09 11:03

Frauen übrigens auch... ;-)

Von AL bekam ich dankenswerterweise den Hinweis:

"NEW YORK (TheStreet) -- Asian markets had an initial attempt to stay in the green just after the opening bell, but the market saw a wide selloff driving most Asian stocks below the break-even line. 
The worst performer of the day was the Japanese Nikkei index, which so far has lost 2.5%. 
...
A report released from the Bank of Japan has shown that corporate service prices have declined at a rapid pace during August. Services such as transportation and rent have decreased by nearly 3.5% in the past year. Deflation is now becoming a threat to the recovery of the Japanese economy"

Tja, in einer Exportnation, deren Exporte im August 36% unter Vorjahresniveau lagen, muss man schon mit einer gewissen Unterauslastung und generell begrenztem Pricing-Power rechnen ;-) 

Solche Situationen, die in Japan zwar vielleicht extrem auftreten, aber gemildert auch anderswo, dürften umgekehrt aber auch dazu führen, dass die Jungs in Pittsburgh jetzt die dringende Anschaffung einer ganzen Flotte von neuen Kohle-Pumpenwagen beschliessen... 

Und sie dürften klammheimlich ganz froh über jedes Mini-Bubble'schen sein, das sich wo immer noch aufblasen lässt. Einfach nur, damit über virtuelle Wealth-Effekte wenigstens einige Löcher auf der Asset-Seite der Bilanzen etwas kleiner werden, damit die Bilanzrezessions-Reparaturarbeiten nicht gar so furchtbar werden. 

Ich fange insofern langsam an zu glauben, dass die Zinsen sehr nachhaltig sehr niedrig gehalten werden und bleiben. Insofern müsste ich eigentlich noch viel mehr Longbonds haben... Ich traue mich aber nicht, noch mehr zu kaufen. 

Und bei dem so vermuteten längerfristigen ultraniedrigen Zinsniveau und der expliziten (und mMn implizit vernünftigen) Absicht der Policymaker zum Aufblasen von Asset-Bubbles (wie hiess es so schön? Es wird alles gekauft, was nicht bei "drei" auf den Bäumen ist :-)  müsste man dann eigentlich einen so starken nachhaltigen Anlagedruck an den Kapitalmärkten erwarten, dass die Chance auf gravierende Kursrückgänge klein scheint und mein gestriges Jubelpost (Wirklich toller Tag heute!... ;-)) eine Rarität bleibt ;-) 

Es gibt aus meiner Froschperspektive nur Aspekte, warum meine Shorts doch eine Chance haben: 
1. schlicht und einfach das Japan-Chart 1990-2000 (es gibt nichts so überzeugendes wie die Realität :-),
2. die Tatsache, dass sich in Pittsburgh einige (Deutschland z.B.) weigern werden, an die Pumpen zu gehen, und dadurch vielleicht so viel an Durcheinander anrichten, dass die Badeseen von Liquidität eben so doch nicht zustande kommen. 

Dem könnte man wiederum entgegenhalten, dass die Nicht-Pumper dann durch stratosphärische FX-Kurssteigerungen derart bestraft werden dürften, dass sie in einer Rettungsaktion doch noch aus Leibeskräften mit an die Pumpen gehen. 

Es bleibt also mal wieder extrem spannend. 

Und ich bleibe trotzdem short (weil mir in meinem Alter einfach nix anderes vernünftiges mehr einfällt :-)... ;-)    

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fkuebler:

"Japan 1990s" wird immer populärer...

2
25.09.09 11:12

Vielleicht sollte ich so langsam mal anfangen, Lizenzgebühren einzutreiben... ;-)

The United States of Japan?

The United States of Japan?

MIKE MISH SHEDLOCK  SEP 24, 2009 8:37 AM

 
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Der USA Bären-Thread 6565715Der USA Bären-Thread 6565715America is following in the country's deflationary footsteps.Der USA Bären-Thread 6565715
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The US is following the footsteps of Japan; it’s now undeniable. Please consider the following chart.

Japanese GDE from the 1989 Peak to Present 
US GDP 1999 Peak to Present


Offset is ten years.

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The above chart is from my friend "BC" who writes:

“The rate shown is the trend rate of growth of GDP at any point from the secular peak rate.

“For example, for the US, the real GDP trend rate in the '90s was 3-4%, whereas since the '99-'00 peak the trend rate has fallen to the 1.5-2.5% range for the '00s (1.6% today).

“For Japan, the real GDE trend rate in the '80s was 4-6%, with the trend rate since the '89-'90 secular peak falling to 1-1.5% to 2% (0.91% today).

“A chart of the trend rate since '97 or '00 in Japan would show an even slower trend rate of real GDP at 0.4-0.5%. Similarly for the US, the trend real GDP rate since '04 and '05 is barely 1% to 0.6% respectively.

“I suspect we will see a further deceleration of the trend real GDP rate hereafter from ~1.5% to 1% or less through the late '10s, including 2-3 more recessions, i.e., ‘multiple dips,’ along the way.

“It’s repeatedly said that we're not Japan; however, in some respects we might be worse this time around, i.e., the depth of our recession today versus that of Japan in '97-'98 (Asian crisis).

“To get back to a trend of 3.3% real growth from '00, the US would have to grow at an average real rate of 5.5% through '14-'15.

“For a 2.5% trend rate from '00 (the current average trend rate since '80), average real growth would have to be 3.5-4% for the next 5-6 years.

“Japan's real GDE grew at just 0.4-0.6% from '97 to '01-'03, with ~1% price deflation, “QE, and ongoing bailouts and government spending.

“So, in the context of the likely secular&#8196;trend, double dips and "recovery" will tend to be moot issues. We’re more likely to have multiple dips, little or no growth, and the only recovery will have been from 10% real&#8196;GDPcontractions along the way.

“We’ll have recovered from nearly having falling off the ledge into the abyss; but our climb from the ledge will be steep, long, and yield little progress."

 

Psychology of Deflation Revisited

In January 2007, someone on the Motley Fool told me "Too even compare the citizens of Japan to the US is stupid, stupid, stupid Forest Gump!"

I was also told "Fannie Mae (FNM) can revive the housing bubble" and that I "ignore an enormous amount of 1990s monetary theory by Bernanke & company about how they’d have dealt with Japans deflation."

Inquiring minds can read Q&A on the Psychology of Deflationto see my replies.

It now seems that Things That "Can't" Happen, did happen.

Deflation, Japanese Style


Some still argue that Japan never went through deflation. One basis for that argument is that "money supply" never contracted over a sustained period. The other argument is that prices as measured by the CPI never fell much. Those are flawed arguments.

Although Japan was rapidly printing money, a destruction of credit was happening at a far greater pace. There was an overall contraction of credit in Japan for close to five consecutive years. Property values plunged for 18 consecutive years. The stock market plunged from 40,000 to 7,000. Cash was hoarded and the velocity of money collapsed. Those are classic symptoms of deflation that a proper definition incorporating both money supply and credit would readily catch. Those looking at consumer prices or monetary injections by the bank of Japan were far off the mark.

Is Bernanke a Wizard?

If Bernanke was such as wizard, why is the US in such miserable shape, and why is Bernanke's Deflation-Preventing Scorecard a big fat zero?

Bernanke isn’t a wizard and neither is Greenspan. The difference is that Greenspan had the wind of consumption blowing briskly at his back. Bernanke is on the backside of Peak Credit with a breeze of frugality blowing briskly in his face.

Attitudes make all the difference in the world.

 

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geldsackfrank.:

Inflation vs DEflation

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25.09.09 11:14
PUNKT 4 unseres Threads spricht natürlich die Inflation an.
Darüber wurde ja schon viel geschrieben und diskutiert. Es gibt ja auch viele Realwerte-Threads (Gold ! etc ), aber mir scheint immer mehr die Deflation näher zu rücken.
Preissteigerungsraten von 0 hatten wir und wir werden aufgrund Basiseffektes in den nächsten Monaten wie bei vielen anderen Indikatoren wieder zunehmende Preise sehen (durch Basiseffekt Öl insbesondere).
Aber was DANN ?
So wie wir es beobachten wird nach der Wahl der Konsument (wieder mal) in D dran glauben müssen wegen höher AL-Zahlen. Irgendwann vielleicht auch der Steuerzahler allgemein.
ICH SEHE noch keine WIRKLICH aufziehende Inflation - LANGFRISTIG schon wegen der Staatsverschuldung...
Aber:
Wie verhaltet ihr Euch bei Deflation ?? Da wäre die Flucht in Realwerte (schnell noch ne Hütte kaufen!) falsch!
Wenn man selbst den Job verliert oder da andere ihn verlieren, man jetzt zu hoch kauft und später die Leute ihre Immos auf den Markt schmeißen (müssen). Dann sollte man erst noch warten.
Also was macht ihr?
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