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China - die Wiege des Bösen (für Aktien?) skunk.works
skunk.works:

..und noch einer...

 
09.09.07 20:10
Billions of dollars lured from overseas investors
2007-9-10
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CHINA had approved the establishment of more than 610,000 overseas-funded companies by the end of July, and those firms poured in US$720 billion in new investment, a Ministry of Commerce official said yesterday.

Overseas investment in China has been expanding since the country began its reform and open-up program in the late 1970s, and overseas-funded companies are playing an increasingly important role in boosting China's overall economic growth, said Assistant Minister Wang Chao.

Wang said China's service industry attracted US$13.8 billion in the first half of this year, accounting for 43.2 percent of total overseas investment that China received in the period.

"The amount represented a 58.2-percent rise over the same period last year," he told a group of more than 200 delegates from investment promotion institutions of 48 countries and regions at a round-table discussion held in Xiamen yesterday.

The country's central and western regions reported a 21.7-percent rise in the receipt of overseas investment in the first six months, 9.5 percentage points higher than the national average, Wang said.

So far, more than 480 of the world's top 500 companies have set up shop in China.

The commerce ministry released the year's China overseas investment report, published annually since 2003, yesterday.
China - die Wiege des Bösen (für Aktien?) skunk.works
skunk.works:

China exposure'' to crisis is ``not significant

 
09.09.07 21:39
China's `Exposure'

In China, financial institutions' ``exposure'' to the U.S. subprime mortgage crisis is ``not significant,'' Zhou said today. ``Unless the situation deteriorates,'' the impact of market turbulence on Chinese financial institutions and the economy is ``up to now estimated to be quite limited.''

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China - die Wiege des Bösen (für Aktien?) skunk.works
skunk.works:

..und noch ein Zeichen

 
10.09.07 07:11
Die Weichen sind gestellt:

-Festlandchinesen dürfen ausserhalb kaufen (noch ein paar Details, dann geht' slos)
-Firmen/Inst. dürfen schon
-Direktinvestition sind zu kompliziert
-ddie Angleichung der Börsen ist still u heimlich weitergegangen
-NASDAQ hat ein Büro in Bejing eröffnet
-es its genug liquidität vorhanden
-die Regeirung willauch investieren
-der Rest der Welt gibt gerade Aktien zum Sonderpreis aus.....
-alles läuft "nach Plan" (5Jahresplan ;-))


viel Glück


der entscheidende Satz:
"""to make it easier for a merger with the Shanghai Securities Exchange"""

Hong Kong Exchanges, operator of the city's stock exchange, jumped 16 percent to HK$183.30, its biggest gain in seven years. The Hong Kong government spent HK$2.4 billion to lift it holding to 5.88 percent on Sept. 7, to make it easier for a merger with the Shanghai Securities Exchange, Ming Pao Daily newspaper reported, citing officials it didn't name.


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China - die Wiege des Bösen (für Aktien?) skunk.works
skunk.works:

..und gleich noch einen

 
10.09.07 08:15
Die Zusammensetzung des HSI hat sich wieder geändert (deshlab auch der elichte Fall von China Mobil, die Tage), der HSI geht mehr und mehr seinen Weg...weg vom Dow Jones.......Fragen?

DJ MARKET TALK: HSI Changes Are Evidence Of HK, US Decoupling
2007/09/10 13:42
1222 [Dow Jones] HSI's resilience (down just 0.2% at 23924.21 vs intraday low of 23578.11) despite Wall Street fall Friday is further evidence of U.S., HK economic, market decoupling. For further evidence, look no further than composition of benchmark HSI: Up until March this year, were only 33 blue chips, a tradition held for decades; but starting today with official inclusion of BoCom (3328.HK), HSI constituent stocks boosted to 40, with 7 of them being H-shares. In index traditionally dominated by HK bank, property stocks, China plays (H-shares plus red chips) now account for 15 of 40, and HSBC's (0005.HK) long-held honor of top-cap status has been wrested away by China Mobile (0941.HK).(RLI) (Delayed by 1 hou
China - die Wiege des Bösen (für Aktien?) skunk.works
skunk.works:

..nun ist es offiziell...

3
12.09.07 11:39
wie schon öfters breitgetreten an dieser Stelle ist es jetzt soweit :
Der C Finanzminister hat erklärt, dass die C Börsen (Festland + HK) in Zukunft zusammenarbeiten werden.
Anm.:So wie ich den derzeitigen Rhytmus sehe, eher früher als später.
Dies erklärt auch das Investment der C Regierung in der hkEx.
Anm: Man kann davon ausgehen, das dies + QDII + die Öffnung des Investmentmarktes HK für mainländer die nächste Zeit (1-2 J) eine riesentriebfeder für die Börse in HK sein wird.....viel Glück

2007-9-12   04:35:00 p.m. HKT, XFNA
Hong Kong bourse to build ties with mainland markets - finance minister



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HONG KONG (XFN-ASIA) - Hong Kong's government has beefed up its share in the city's stock exchange to help speed up integration with mainland bourses, financial secretary John Tsang said.

Tsang also raised the long-term possibility of swapping government-held shares in the bourse with those held in mainland markets, including Shanghai.

The government here announced Friday it had increased its stake in Hong Kong Exchanges Clearing (HKEx), prompting shares in the stock market operator to surge 20 pct initially on hopes of closer ties with China.

Tsang said the government had actually been topping up its stake in the exchange since 2000. It now owns 5.88 pct.

""The reason why we have increased our shareholding in the Hong Kong exchange is to help promote the work of the stock exchange in a more organized manner,"" he told an audience at the Foreign Correspondents' Club.

He added that the move is part of a long-term strategy to ""have greater integration of Hong Kong's market with that of the mainland.""

Tsang said the share increase is part of a wider strategy between Beijing and the territory to increase cooperation between the markets. .

This includes the proposal for individual mainland investors to buy Hong Kong-listed equities, which was announced last month but has yet to be introduced.

The move is also part of a long-term strategy for Hong Kong to take in a stake in mainland bourses

""Perhaps someday there will be share swaps between Hong Kong exchange and those in the mainland, for example Shanghai,"" he said.

""That is possible and that is something we need to look into.

""Without any shareholding we probably won't be able to do any swaps, so that (holding shares in HKEx) is quite important for us.""

The share increase has led to some criticism.

Shareholder activist and HKEx director David Webb said the move goes against the free market principles that investors have always welcomed in Hong Kong.

Hong Kong's exchange has benefited enormously from China's boom and welcomed some of the biggest initial offerings ever in recent years, as investors clamor to get a piece of Chinese state enterprises.

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China - die Wiege des Bösen (für Aktien?) skunk.works
skunk.works:

..merger des A und B Marktes

 
17.09.07 06:49
China B-shares end morning higher on follow-through interest - UPDATE



(Updating with prices, comment) -

SHANGHAI (XFN-ASIA) - China B-shares ended the morning session higher, extending Friday's more than 4 pct gain after reports that authorities are looking at reforming the B-share markets, with one proposal said to include a merger of the A-share and B-share markets, dealers said

Investors shrugged off China's latest interest rate hike and continued to buy machinery and textile stocks, they added.

The central bank announced after market close Friday that it is raising benchmark lending and deposit rates by 27 basis points, in the fifth rate hike this year.

The Shanghai B-share Index ended the morning up 4.00 points at 355.42 and the Shenzhen B-share Index was up 14.71 points at 783.20.

""Recent strong performance in the hard-currency B-share market is mainly due to the merger anticipation,"" a Shanghai analyst who asked not to be named said. ""The firmer A-share market also encouraged the B-share market.""

In Shanghai, Shanghai Zhenhua Port Machinery Co Ltd (SHB 900947; SHA 600320) rose 0.133 usd to 2.605, following a 10 pct surge on Friday.

Inner Mongolia Eerduosi Cashmere Products Co Ltd (SHB 900936; SHA 600295) added 0.076 usd to 1.199.

In Shenzhen, Chengde Dixian Textile Co Ltd (SZB 200160) rose 0.28 hkd or by the 10 pct daily trading limit to 3.03.

Bengang Steel Plates Co Ltd (SZB 200761; SZA 000761) added 0.50 hkd to 9. 90.

The FTSE/Xinhua China B 35 Index was up 188.82 points at 12,007.74.

The benchmark Shanghai Composite Index ended the session up 59.17 points or 1.11 pct at 5,371.35.
China - die Wiege des Bösen (für Aktien?) templer
templer:

IPO CCB

 
19.09.07 09:17
Wirtschaftsnews - von heute 08:08
Hongkong: China Construction Bank vor IPO auf Rekordhoch


Hongkong 19.09.07 (www.emfis.com)
Am 25. September wird die China Construction Bank (CCB) an Shanghai Stock Exchange gehandelt. Dazu gibt sie 9 Mrd. A - Shares zu einem Preis von 6,45 Yuan heraus, welche 58 Mrd. Yuan (7,7 Mrd. USD) in die Kasse bringen.
Damit überrundet sie die Industrial Commercial Bank of China in ihrem IPO Volumen und wird zum größten in der chinesischen Börsengeschichte.
Die ICBC hatte an der Shanghaier Börse im vergangenen Oktober 46,64 Mrd. Yuan (6,13 Mrd. USD) eingenommen.
Auch im Bereich der Zeichnung mit einem Ordervolumen von 2,26 Bio. Yuan schlägt sie alle Rekorde. Sie übertrumpft damit das Ordervolumen der heute an die Börse gegangenen Bank of Beijing von 1,89 Bio. Yuan.
Die Anleger in Hongkong erwarten für die CCB ebenfalls ein fulminantes Börsendebüt wie bei der Bank of Beijing, welche mit einer Kursverdoppelung startete.
Die CCB kann an der Hongkonger Börse um 4,2 Prozent zulegen und erreichte mit 7,15 HKD ein neues Allzeithoch.


Quelle: EMFIS.COM, Autor: (il)
China - die Wiege des Bösen (für Aktien?) templer
templer:

Hang Seng 30.000

 
20.09.07 07:54
Wirtschaftsnews - von heute 07:33
Lee Shau-kee: Hang Seng bis 30.000 Punkte möglich


Hongkong 20.09.07 (www.emfis.com)
Der Chairman von Henderson Land Development, eines der größten Immobilienentwickler Hongkongs, Lee Shau-kee geht davon aus, dass der Hang Seng Index bis Ende des Jahres die Marke von 28.000 Punkten erreichen könnte und bis zum chinesischen Neujahr unter Umständen die 30.000 Punkte. Auch wenn es volatil zu geht und immer wieder mit Abschlägen zu rechnen ist, sollte der Aufwärtstrend bestehen bleiben. Im Augenblick tendiert der Index um die Marke von 25.500 Punkte und hat seit Jahresbeginn um fast 30 Prozent zulegen können.

Vor allem die boomende Wirtschaft Chinas stütze die Börse, so Lee. Der H – Share Index sollte im kommenden Jahr die 20.000 Punkte schaffen ist sich Lee sicher. Zur Zeit steht er im Bereich von 15.400 Punkte. Zum Jahresbeginn tendierte er bei 10.000 Punkten.


Quelle: EMFIS.COM, Autor: (il)
China - die Wiege des Bösen (für Aktien?) skunk.works
skunk.works:

Aufkaufen....

 
01.10.07 06:57
2007-9-30   06:34:00 p.m. HKT, XFNA
China's Ningbo Huaxiang in tentative talks to buy German auto parts maker



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BEIJING (XFN-ASIA) - Ningbo Huaxiang Electronic Co Ltd (SZA 002048) said it is holding tentative talks to buy a German auto parts maker for between 1 bln and 1.5 bln yuan.

In a statement filed with the Shenzhen Stock Exchange, Ningbo Huaxiang said it was not sure whether it would reach a final agreement on the acquisition, adding that the deal was still awaiting relevant governmental approvals.

The German firm, which was not not identified by Ningbo Huaxiang, posted profit of 25 mln eur on sales of about 250 mln eur last year, the statement said.

(1 euro = 10.63 yuan)

jianlin@xfn.com

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China - die Wiege des Bösen (für Aktien?) skunk.works
skunk.works:

China exchanges may link up

 
05.10.07 13:33
Wall Street, beware: Hong Kong, China exchanges may link up




HONG KONG  -- As Chinese companies displaced U.S. firms in fund-raising activities, stock-market regulators in China have confronted a unique problem: how to restructure financial markets to take advantage of the astonishing changes underway.

In response, Beijing appears to be dusting off the one-China principle, weighing plans to super-size markets in the mainland and Hong Kong into a single trading platform.

Recent signs of closer links suggest the idea might not be so farfetched, though there's no official word that any plans are in the works, either.

Merging the stock markets of Hong Kong, Shenzhen and Shanghai makes sense from a number of economic and strategic perspectives, market professionals say, and it may one day usher in a system that would rival the trading power of exchanges in London and New York.

China is already topping the league tables by several measures.

Mainland companies raised more than $62 billion through share sales in the first three quarters, accounting for more than one-quarter of initial public offerings globally, according to Thomson Financial.

During the fourth quarter alone, companies in mainland China are expected to raise $39.5 billion through IPOs, pushing the year's total past the $100 billion mark and making China one of the world's hottest markets for the second year running.

At those rates, the idea of merging the exchanges is catching on.

"With so much money flying around, they would be fools not to do it," said Francis Lun, research director at Fulbright Securities in Hong Kong.

One country, one system?

Pulling it off, however, could be difficult.

China strictly controls capital flows across its borders -- unlike Hong Kong, which has thrived as an open financial center where international funds are free to come and go.

And any such merger seems likely to run into resistance from shareholders of Hong Kong Exchanges & Clearing Ltd. (HKXCF), the local exchange operator also known as HKEx. Theyfear closer ties with the mainland could leave the exchange vulnerable to political interference from Beijing.

What's more, stock markets located in the northeastern coastal city of Shanghai and the south inland industrial city of Shenzhen hail from a regulatory culture distinct from Hong Kong, the former British territory that's governed with a high degree of autonomy from the rest of China.

HKEx Chairman Ronald Arculli, speaking in an interview with Hong Kong media in September, hinted that a merger was being explored, but he conceded any tie-up would have to overcome issues involving the non-convertibility of China's currency and other structural differences between the exchanges.

Still, Arculli saw benefits to the concept of a single market for China. Aside from enabling investors to buy and sell shares on all three exchanges, a single platform for listing and trading would give rise to new investment products. And in tong term, it could help foster development of a home-grown banking industry.

"It's a basic market necessity," said Dong Tao, Credit Suisse's chief China economist in Hong Kong. He added that a single China market would be in keeping with the trend toward consolidation in financial markets.

"The IT revolution made is unnecessary to have more than one stock exchange per country," Tao said.

If share price moves are any indication, investors appear to favor the notion. HKEx's shares have risen by almost half since Sept. 7, and are up 167% in the year to date.

Indeed, based on its recent close of HK$244.20, HKEx's market capitalization of $32 billion is more than that of the London Stock Exchange, the Nasdaq Stock Market Inc (NDAQ) and the New York Euronext (NYX) combined.

Flexing muscle at HKEx

About $1.03 trillion worth of shares changed hands on exchanges in Hong Kong, Shanghai and Shenzhen in the first seven months of the year. If they were counted together, they'd represent the eighth largest in the world.

Recent gains follow newspaper reports from the Times of London that Beijing may be building stakes in HKEx, using either its National Social Security Fund or its $200 billion strategic investment fund, launched last week.

In September, the Hong Kong government revealed it had acquired a 5.8% stake, making it HKEx's largest shareholder. Although the government didn't offer an explanation for the acquisition, investors heralded the move as a signal that some sort of exchange consolidation was inevitable.

The Hong Kong government effectively controls HKEx through the appointment of six of the 13 board members. Becoming a major shareholder will boost its influence over the rest of the board, analysts say, and help assuage mainland authorities, who are wary of HKEx's independently elected directors.

China's central government owns the stock exchanges in Shanghai and Shenzhen, and it exerts regulatory control over them via the China Securities Regulatory Commission.

"By increasing its stake in HKEx, the government can have a vote on electing the shareholders' elected members and hence raise the government control over the board," wrote DBS Vickers Securities analyst Jasmine Lai in a September research report.

It may be a first step toward a swap that analysts say would enable state bodies in Hong Kong and Shanghai to hold strategic stakes in each other's markets. If closer ties materialize, it could foster new business alliances, thereby giving momentum to market integration.

HKEx chief Arculli suggested it was possible the three exchanges could have different shareholdings and regulatory structures but operate a single listing and trading platform.

"Trading on each other's exchanges could give a boost to each other's volume," said Louis Wong Wai-kit, research director at Phillip Securities in Hong Kong.

Awakening giant casts a shadow

What's emerging is broadly in line with proposals set forth by advisers last year after the Hong Kong government turned to the financial industry for ideas on how to keep up with its fast-transforming neighbor.

A first step might see a platform for trading in the shares of companies that are already listed in Hong Kong under so-called Class-H shares and in Shanghai under Class-A shares.

It is widely believed markets in Shanghai and Shenzhen could be shifted into limited-company structures and listed in relatively short order. Any such revamp would likely wait until at least March, ahead of key political meetings in the spring.

Self preservation is thought to be behind support in Hong Kong for change on the exchanges: Officials have become increasing worried the city's role as a gateway to China is under threat as mainland markets displace the former colony as a preferred destination for Chinese IPOs.

Fund-raising activities by Chinese companies in Hong Kong declined dramatically after mainland authorities began to push firms to list A shares, which are denominated in yuan, earlier this year.

And media reports in Hong Kong this week suggested mainland regulators may be further tightening the screws.

Regulators reportedly plan to ban simultaneous listings in the mainland and Hong Kong, potentially choking off lucrative investment-banking fees and knocking trading volume. Under the new proposal, mainland companies would also be required to sell shares at home before listing on another exchange, such as Hong Kong.

Mainland markets accounted for $40.51 billion of the $54.69 billion raised by Chinese companies in Hong Kong and China during the first nine months of this year, according to Thomson Financial. Last year, $39.17 billion was raised by mainland companies selling shares in Hong Kong, while $21.09 billion was raised through A shares.

"There is this fear our exchange is being marginalized by an increasingly stronger and bigger Shanghai exchange," Wong added. "The ultimate objective is to bring about a closer cooperation between the two exchanges."

Chinese companies are able to raise funds at home on more favorable terms. Firms selling shares in Hong Kong have also recently run afoul of foreign exchange regulators trying to fend off further inflows of capital into an economy already glutted with liquidity.

In August, for example, China Railway Engineering Group, a state-owned railway builder, was reportedly given permission by mainland regulators to issue $2 billion worth of Hong Kong shares on condition it did not send any proceeds from the listing to China -- a condition at odds with the company's growth strategy. Outside of China, it had only limited investments in Indonesia.

"Our future lies in helping the mainland export capital," Shirley Yam, a markets columnist with the South China Morning Post, wrote in a recent editorial. "The role of Hong Kong as a fundraising center for Chinese enterprises is nearing the end, if not already there."

Hong Kong is already benefiting as China lets down barriers to capital outflows.

China unveiled a program in August that will enable its citizens to invest directly in Hong Kong stocks. The start date for the scheme has been rolled back, but many expect it to be given the green light later this month.

By late September, Beijing had approved $23.8 billion in fund outflows under another program, known as the Qualified Domestic Institutional Investor program. Announced in April, the scheme enables individuals to invest in offshore stocks and bonds using specialized funds.

DBS estimates Chinese capital outflows into Hong Kong of $90 billion under QDII and $77 billion under the individual investor scheme next year.

Fears for market freedoms

Not everyone is convinced the idea of a single trading platform would fly. Some say the concept of a single China exchange violates the spirit of free markets and undermines the principles that have made Hong Kong so successful.

Shareholder activist and HKEx director David Webb criticized the Hong Kong government for failing to make clear it intentions, adding the stake purchase undermined the enclave's reputation as a financial center free from government intervention.

It showed Hong Kong was moving toward regulation at a time when China was moving away from it, Webb asserted.

"It sends a very negative signal to the market as a whole and increases uncertainty," Webb wrote in a note published on his blog. "Until now, the government has not visibly intervened in the market since 1998."

Citi Investment Research analyst Bob Leung said there's also a conflict of interest emerging. "The Chinese government's ultimate interest is to develop China's own exchanges and financial markets and not really to look after the interests of HKEx shareholders," Leung said.

Others worry the stake purchase would scare off potential suitors, leaving Hong Kong -- which ranks as Asia's third-biggest regional market -- out of the running when it comes to forging alliances with other regional markets. Tokyo and Sydney, the two largest regional markets, have no government stakes.
China - die Wiege des Bösen (für Aktien?) Stöffen
Stöffen:

Investiert China massiv in Brasilien?

2
07.10.07 10:35
Strategisches Investment der chinesischen Handelsüberschüsse?

The Smartest Thing China Could Do Right Now: Invest US$ 200 Billion in Brazil

The Brazilian and Chinese governments should sign a long-term agreement (35 to 50 years) regarding these long-term Chinese investments in Brazil including schedule of interest payments and so forth. Brazil would create a new Brazilian government agency to be in charge and to be accountable for the flow of Chinese money of these various investments into Brazil.
The new agency would operate with complete transparency to avoid scandals and misappropriations of funds, on both sides of the deal; on the Chinese and on the Brazilian side, related to all aspects of this new type of financing of very large projects.
The investments would be done taking into consideration both the Brazilian and Chinese long-term strategic needs, and here are the main areas for China to invest in Brazil. I would suggest that China invest at least US$ 170 billion in five major areas in Brazil plus another US$ 30 billion in a mutually beneficial space program as follows:
1) Nuclear power plants - US$ 60 billion
2) Strategic infrastructure - US$ 40 billion
3) High-speed broadband infrastructure - US$ 20 billion
4) High-speed rail networks - Bullet Trains - US$ 30 billion
5) Mortgage market - US$ 20 billion
6) Space development and exploration - US$ 30 billion
www.brazzil.com/content/view/9979/1/
China - die Wiege des Bösen (für Aktien?) skunk.works
skunk.works:

China SUPERmarket

 
07.10.07 19:31

Hong Kong, China weigh 'super-market' tie-up


It may be a first step toward a swap that analysts say would enable state bodies in Hong Kong and Shanghai to hold strategic stakes in each other's markets.

If closer ties materialize, it could foster new business alliances, thereby giving momentum to market integration.
HKEx chief Arculli suggested it was possible the three exchanges could have different shareholdings and regulatory structures but operate a single listing and trading platform.
"Trading on each other's exchanges could give a boost to each other's volume," said Louis Wong Wai-kit, research director at Phillip Securities in Hong Kong.
Awakening giant casts a shadow
What's emerging is broadly in line with proposals set forth by advisers last year after the Hong Kong government turned to the financial industry for ideas on how to keep up with its fast-transforming neighbor.
A first step might see a platform for trading in the shares of companies that are already listed in Hong Kong under so-called Class-H shares and in Shanghai under Class-A shares.
It is widely believed that markets in Shanghai and Shenzhen could be shifted into limited-company structures and listed in relatively short order. Any such revamp would likely wait until at least March, ahead of key political meetings in the spring.
Self preservation is thought to be behind support in Hong Kong for change on the exchanges: Officials have become increasing worried the city's role as a gateway to China is under threat as mainland markets displace the former colony as a preferred destination for Chinese IPOs.

Fund-raising activities by Chinese companies in Hong Kong declined dramatically after mainland authorities began to push firms to list A shares, which are denominated in yuan, earlier this year.
And media reports in Hong Kong this week suggested mainland regulators may be further tightening the screws.
Officials reportedly plan to ban simultaneous listings in the mainland and Hong Kong, potentially choking off lucrative investment-banking fees and knocking trading volume. Under the new proposal, mainland companies would also be required to sell shares at home before listing on another exchange, such as Hong Kong.
Mainland markets accounted for $40.51 billion of the $54.69 billion raised by Chinese companies in Hong Kong and China during the first nine months of this year, according to Thomson Financial. Last year, $39.17 billion was raised by mainland companies selling shares in Hong Kong, while $21.09 billion was raised through A shares.
"There is this fear our exchange is being marginalized by an increasingly stronger and bigger Shanghai exchange," Wong added. "The ultimate objective is to bring about a closer cooperation between the two exchanges."
Chinese companies are able to raise funds at home on more favorable terms. Firms selling shares in Hong Kong have also recently run afoul of foreign exchange regulators trying to fend off further inflows of capital into an economy already glutted with liquidity.
In August, for example, China Railway Engineering Group, a state-owned railway builder, was reportedly given permission by mainland regulators to issue $2 billion worth of Hong Kong shares on condition that it wouldn't send any proceeds from the listing to China -- a condition at odds with the company's growth strategy. Outside of China, it had only limited investments in Indonesia.
"Our future lies in helping the mainland export capital," Shirley Yam, a markets columnist with the South China Morning Post, wrote in a recent editorial. "The role of Hong Kong as a fundraising center for Chinese enterprises is nearing the end, if not already there."
Hong Kong is already benefiting as China lets down barriers to capital outflows.
China unveiled a program in August that will enable its citizens to invest directly in Hong Kong stocks. The start date for the scheme has been rolled back, but many expect it to be given the green light later this month.
'The Chinese government's ultimate interest is to develop China's own exchanges and financial markets and not really to look after the interests of HKEx shareholders.'
— Bob Leung, Citi Investment Research
By late September, Beijing had approved $23.8 billion in fund outflows under another program, known as the Qualified Domestic Institutional Investor program. Announced in April, the scheme enables individuals to invest in offshore stocks and bonds using specialized funds.
DBS estimates Chinese capital outflows into Hong Kong of $90 billion under QDII and $77 billion under the individual investor scheme next year.
Fears for market freedoms
Not everyone is convinced the idea of a single trading platform would fly. Some say the concept of a single China exchange violates the spirit of free markets and undermines the principles that have made Hong Kong so successful.
Shareholder activist and HKEx director David Webb criticized the Hong Kong government for failing to make clear it intentions, adding the stake purchase undermined the enclave's reputation as a financial center free from government intervention.
It showed Hong Kong was moving toward regulation at a time when China was moving away from it, Webb asserted.
"It sends a very negative signal to the market as a whole and increases uncertainty," Webb wrote in a note published on his blog. "Until now, the government has not visibly intervened in the market since 1998."
Citi Investment Research analyst Bob Leung said there's also a conflict of interest emerging. "The Chinese government's ultimate interest is to develop China's own exchanges and financial markets and not really to look after the interests of HKEx shareholders," Leung said.
Others worry the stake purchase would scare off potential suitors, leaving Hong Kong -- which ranks as Asia's third-biggest regional market -- out of the running when it comes to forging alliances with other regional markets. Tokyo and Sydney, the two largest regional markets, have no government stakes.
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China - die Wiege des Bösen (für Aktien?) lech1000
lech1000:

Guten Abend

 
07.10.07 19:58
Kann mir bitte jemand erklären was es mit der Deregulierung in China aufsich hat, sprich damit Ausländische Investoren auch in Hong Kong invstieren dürfen?!

Wann kann man mit einer Entscheidung rechnen?

Vielen Dank im Voraus
China - die Wiege des Bösen (für Aktien?) Anti Lemming
Anti Lemming:

Der Februar-"Crash" im Rückblick

2
09.10.07 07:06
Für Sehbehinderte: Im unteren Drittel des Chart, etwa in der Mitte, befindet sich ein kleines rotes Kästchen.
(Verkleinert auf 71%) vergrößern
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China - die Wiege des Bösen (für Aktien?) Anti Lemming
Anti Lemming:

"China, pass auf!" (Economist)

5
13.10.07 10:33
In China klafft der Lebensstandard der reichen Mittelschicht in den küstennahen Städten und den 700 Mio. bettelarmen Bauern im Landesinnern immer stärker auseinander, was Unruhen schürt (1989 sogar militante Proteste, die von der Armee zusammengeschossen wurden). Dabei ist die regierende kommunistische Partei - ein Haufen bestechlicher und selbstsüchtiger Bürokraten - überwiegend um ihren eigenen Machterhalt besorgt. Anpassertum innerhalb der Partei verhindert, dass kritische Stimmen laut werden, so dass sie immer stärker den Bezug zur sich rasch wandelnden Realität verliert. Um die Missstände (dazu zählt auch starke Umweltverschmutzung) und ihre eigenen Defizite zu kaschieren, unternimmt die Partei immer stärkere Anstrengungen, um das "nationale Image" des Landes aufzupolieren. Nun soll sogar der erste Chinese zum Mond fliegen. Auch der Militärhaushalt wird von Jahr zu Jahr verdoppelt, vermutlich um Taiwan mit Waffengewalt "heim ins Reich" zu holen. Dafür werden Milliarden investiert - während die Infrastruktur noch immer brach liegt: 40 % der Bevölkerung haben kein fließendes Wasser.

Bei den verkrusteten Strukturen besteht mMn die Gefahr, dass Probleme im Finanzsektor (Aktienblase, wackelige Banken) nicht mit dem nötigen Überblick und der erforderlichen Entschlossenheit angegangen werden.

"Der Markt" regelt das dann typischerweise selbst -> siehe Saudi-Arabien 2006 (Eingangsposting).



The party congress in China
China, beware
Oct 11th 2007

The country's rulers care too much for their own welfare, and too little about the rural peasants

BASKING in its 2008 Olympic glow, no longer shy at counting itself among the world's greats and blessed with a still booming economy, China looks the coming power. And so it is, up to a point. Yet as the Communist Party's bigwigs assemble behind closed doors in Beijing for their five-yearly congress, it is China's frailties [Schwächen], not its strengths, that preoccupy them.

Not for the first time, Hu Jintao, the party's boss and China's president, rightly picks out two big problems: the widening gap between China's mostly urban rich and its mostly rural poor, and the party's lack of “internal democracy” — comrade-speak for accountability and the courage to question and debate. In other words, neither China's Communist Party nor its village dwellers are keeping up as the rest of China changes fast. None of the 1.3 billion ordinary Chinese gets a vote in the party's secretive conclaves. But among more than 700m left-behind peasants, frustrations are building (...)

As in any fast-developing economy, for all its successes China's breakneck growth masks a multitude of problems, from rampant corruption and devastating pollution to a frail banking system and the lack of independent courts to uphold the rule of law. Meanwhile, three decades of “get rich quick” advice from party central have left the country divided between a richer coast and still impoverished interior, between upwardly mobile city dwellers and stagnating rural communities. These days, the income disparity between China's richest few and poorest many (peasants, migrant workers, pensioners) would make many a modern capitalist blush.

From communism to carpet-baggers

Mr Hu has tried to accommodate some demands for change. Most recently, a law was passed that for the first time enshrines private property rights — a huge ideological leap for a party with its origins a long march back in Mao's communes. But like much else in China, these new rights will benefit mostly city-dwellers; a growing urban middle class will now be able to buy and sell their homes or businesses. In the countryside, where peasants are able only to lease their land, not own it (and not even use it as collateral for loans), the new law will do nothing to rectify the landgrabs orchestrated by venal local officials, who turf people off the land so as to do lucrative deals with carpet-bagging developers.

In this and other ways, the reforms that Deng Xiaoping first launched in China's countryside 30 years ago have now left its peasants in the ditch. But village dwellers have not only seen their city compatriots get richer quicker; increasingly, their own concerns have also been neglected. Since 1989, when disgruntled workers joined student democracy protesters and it all ended in bloodshed on Beijing's Tiananmen Square, a ruling party fearful of any further challenge to its power has paid better heed to the grievances of China's urban masses. Urbanites have won greater freedom to spend their rising incomes as they wish, while much ballyhooed experiments in greater village democracy have gone nowhere. With access to the internet and mobile phones, China's middle classes can organise themselves to oppose, say, the siting of an unwanted chemicals factory and thus draw government attention. Despite many thousands of village protests each year against corrupt officials, poor medical services and bad schools, China's peasants — more dispersed, less organised and therefore more easily ignored or suppressed — can usually do little but seethe [vor Wut kochen].

Mr Hu bemoans China's widening inequalities, but has so far done little to bridge them. In fact there is much that could improve the peasants' lot. Growth at any cost has led to a tax system that unduly favours the wealthy regions that generate their income through industry. Central government could adjust that. It could help further by shouldering a much bigger share of the costs of basic health care and education in the rural areas. Of the five tiers of government, a couple could be stripped away and not be missed. Indeed, thinning the ranks of idle cadres with their fingers in the coffers would ease the financial burden on China's hard-pressed villagers.

Shooting for trouble

Are such reforms too extensive and costly for a still developing country such as China? No longer. Four years ago, China put its first man in space (only the third country to do so, after Russia and America), at what true cost the government will not say. Now it is aiming for the moon, at a cost of many more billions: its first (unmanned) moon-shot is expected to take place soon. Like the Olympics, China's space programme is an expensive publicity stunt, designed to encourage nationalist fervour in a population — and a party — long since bored with the maxims of Marx, Lenin and Mao.

Another way in which Mr Hu and his comrades could help the peasants would be to divert some of the double-digit annual increases in defence spending to help the estimated 40 % of China's villages that have no access to running water. The trouble is that China's military build-up has become the measure of the party's commitment to another nationalist cause that it has stoked in an effort to bolster its tattered credentials: the eventual recovery, by persuasive hook or military crook, of the island of Taiwan, which China claims as its own.

So far the combination of this appeal to nationalism and the pursuit of economic growth at almost any price has helped the party maintain its grip. But just as China's periodic shrill threats to Taiwan threaten the stability of the wider region, so the plight and growing anger of China's peasantry are a harbinger of potential trouble ahead at home.

It is trouble that China's Communist Party is increasingly ill-prepared to deal with. For all Mr Hu's rhetoric about greater internal democracy, the party is too fearful for its own survival to open itself up to a genuine clash of ideas. Although a few brave voices have called for that..., there has been no open debate in the run-up to the congress about how to address any of China's pressing rural problems. To add to their burdens, China's peasants are saddled with a ruling party that is too worried about its own survival to spend more than a little lip-service on theirs.
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China - die Wiege des Bösen (für Aktien?) Stöffen
Stöffen:

How High can Shanghai Red-chips Fly?

3
13.10.07 11:14
Ein gewohnt interessanter und ausführlicher Artikel von Gary Dorsch, zur kompletten Einsicht bitte dem Link folgen.

How High can Shanghai Red-chips Fly? October 11, 2007
The Greatest Bull Market in History - Chinese Red-chips

“There is a bubble growing. Investors should be concerned about the risks,” warned Cheng Siwei, the vice-chairman of the National People’s Congress in an interview with the Financial Times on January 31st. “But in a bull market, people will invest relatively irrationally. Every investor thinks they can win. But many will end up losing. But that is their risk and their choice,” warned Cheng.

…. the next questions are, “how high can the Shanghai red-chips fly?” Is Shanghai a major bubble about to burst, or can the market stay elevated, after a bout of profit-taking? Would a sharp decline in Shanghai red-chips undermine China’s economy and commodities?

sirchartsalot.com/article.php?id=70
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Anti Lemming:

Dann wird es doch Zeit

 
13.10.07 11:29
dass die Banken endlich mal massiv China-Turbo-Fonds auflegen - mit dem Kleingedruckten, dass "vergangene Gewinne keine Garantie für zukünfige" sind.

Ideal wären Fonds, die am Wachstum mit einem Hebel von drei bis fünf partizipieren. Sonst wird man nicht schnell genug reich damit.
China - die Wiege des Bösen (für Aktien?) Anti Lemming
Anti Lemming:

Rückblick

 
13.10.07 11:37
Seit dem Eingangsposting (Feb. 07), als erste Blasenwarnungen laut wurden (auch aus China selbst), hat sich der China-Index SSE verdoppelt (siehe Chart in # 239).

Dies bestätigt wieder einmal die alte Börsenweisheit:

"Never short a dull market."

(Ich konnte der Versuchung bislang zum Glück widerstehen. Hab aber den US-ADR "FXI" auf meiner Beobachtungs- und potenziellen Abschussliste)

Chart des China-Indexfonds FXI
(Verkleinert auf 73%) vergrößern
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Anti Lemming:

Puts vs. Bear-Spreads auf den FXI

3
13.10.07 11:47
Die Puts auf den FXI (iShares China-Index) sind wegen der hohen und allgemein bekannten Absturzgefahr extrem teuer. Mit Put-Spreads kommt man etwas günstiger weg. Allerdings droht auch damit Totalverlust, wenn der FXI bzw. der SSE sein Wachstum wie bislang fortsetzt.

Putten bleibt so oder so schwierig. Wer in den Aufwärtstrend hinein shortet, verbrennt sich vermutlich das Bärenfell. Auf einen Bruch des Aufwärtstrends zu warten und DANN erst Puts zu kaufen ist ebenfalls brandgefährlich, weil selbst nach dem damals "haushoch" scheinenden Februar-Einbruch die Dip-Buyer in Scharen kamen und Alles im Nu  wieder hochkauften.

Dennoch hier die auch aus technischer Sicht interessant Put-Spread-Strategie:



Steven Smith Blog
FXIing Put Protection
By Steven Smith
Street.com - Senior Columnist
10/12/2007 12:01 PM EDT

I have a few quick comments on Thursday's excellent and timely column by Adam Olienis on using put options to protect profits on stocks, especially those that have gone parabolic such as the Chinese market as represented by the iShares FTSE/Xinhua China 25 Index Fund (FXI). Adam's suggestion [Details: nächstes Posting!] to buy at-the-money puts against long stock, also known as a married put, is certainly one of the simplest and most effective forms of protecting profits.

The Cost of Protection

But it does come at a relatively high cost. In his example of buying the November $195 put for about $10.50 contract when the FXI is trading at $200 a share seemingly translates into a 5.25% premium for only six weeks of insurance.

And remember, an at-the-money option has a delta of 0.50, meaning if you want to be fully hedged from the get-go you'd need to buy two puts for every 100 shares you own. That jacks up the cost to more than 10%, or nearly 55% on an annualized basis.

Of course, an options delta increases as it moves deeper into-the-money. In this case the delta will approach -1.0 (note that a put's delta is often expressed as a negative number) if the FXI drops below $165 share. At that price, the $195 put fully hedges 100 shares no matter how much more the stock falls. But if a decline beyond 20% doesn't worry you, here is a alternative approach for establishing similar downside protection at a reduced cost.

Spread Instead

Instead of buying puts outright, consider using a vertical spread. A vertical spread is the simultaneous purchase and sale of two separate options that have the same expiration but different strike prices.

Sticking with the FXI when it was trading $200 a share, one could buy the November $200 put for $12 a contract and sell the November $160 put for $4 a contract. That's a net debit of $8 for the spread. If the FXI does decline to $155, the spread will be worth $40, or a $32 profit -- the width between strikes minus the cost of the spread (40 - 8 = 32). This compares favorably to owning the $195 put, which would also be worth $40, delivering a profit of $29.50, or 6% less on the same $40 decline.

And when I say "the same $40 decline," it should be noted the numbers profits on the spread are based on where the shares close on the Nov. 16 expiration. This highlights one of the main disadvantages of a spread vs. owning options outright: Due to the time premium embedded in the strike sold short, the spread's maximum profit cannot be realized until expiration or if it goes deep, and I mean really deep, into-the-money.

For example let's assume shares of the FXI are trading $160 on Nov. 1, the $195 put will be worth at least $35 a contract, the $200/$160 put spread will be trading around $33 due to the $7 of time premium remaining in the $160 put. Not a huge deal in this, especially considering the spread cost $2.50 less than the put, but it is something to be aware of and has greater implications the longer the time period until expiration date.

Control the Variables

The other item to be aware of that Adam mentioned is that if the shares suffer a sharp decline, implied volatility is likely to increase. A change in IV will have a greater impact on the price of a single strike position than the spread because the increase or decrease in the value of the option owned will be mostly offset by a similar change in the short leg of the spread. Implied volatility's effect on an option's price is referred to and defined by the Greek term vega.

But remember, vega can work both ways. A decline in IV can cause a dramatic drop in the price of an option. Spreads tend to mitigate the impact of vega. Anytime you can control one of the variables that affects the price behavior of an option position, especially one that is being used for hedging purposes, do so.
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Anti Lemming:

Alternative Strategie für China-Bären

 
13.10.07 11:53
Interessant am China-Chart (FXI bzw. SSE) ist, dass er selbst in logarithmischer Darstellung einen parabolischen Anstieg aufweist (unten).



How to Hedge Bullish Exposure
By Adam Oliensis
Street.com Contributor
10/11/2007 3:53 PM EDT

Technical Analysis

   * The FXI China ETF has run 111 to 200 in a little more than six weeks.
   * If you were long, buying puts would be a way to protect some of the gains you  
       have made.
   * The downside of buying put protection is the amount spent doing so.

On Wednesday, Doug Kass wrote about "A Bear in a China Shop" and his decision to short the iShares FTSE/Xinhua China 25 Index Fund (FXI) based on an interaction he had with a Chinese tourist in Italy. That note piqued my interest, so I thought I'd take a look at the FXI chart to see how it looked, as it may provide a good example of hedging some of your long exposure.

Currently, (as of 11:00 am EDT on Thursday) global markets are being jacked higher by numerous factors, depending on whom you ask. Risk appetite has definitely improved, abetted by the Fed's Sept. 18 rate cut, as well as by the Bank of Japan's decision last night to leave their overnight interest rate at 0.5%.

The uptrends in just about every market you can find (U.S. stocks, global stock markets, gold, oil, you name it) are robust and sustained. But we're probably getting to the point where things are frothy, and as mentioned above, you may want to hedge some of your bullish exposure.

One way to do that is to buy puts on a chart that's just gone mad to the upside. If the whole world remains bullish on everything, owning a put will keep your losses in a bearish position limited (you can only lose what you pay for the put, where with short stock positions or short calls you can theoretically lose an unlimited amount).

This is where FXI comes in. The top pane of this chart shows the ETF, which has risen from about 111 on Aug. 16 to 200 today.

The second pane in this chart shows the logarithm of the FXI price. I'm looking at this pane today to see how the stock is performing relative to its parabolic uptrend. On a logarithmic chart, parabolic (or geometric) gains look linear. So, we eliminate the distortion that can happen when a chart moves from a low level to a high level. (E.g., a 50% gain from $5 to $7.50 looks very different than a 50% gain from $50 to $75 on an arithmetic chart, but those gains would look similar on a logarithmic chart.)

Now, on the FXI chart, even the logarithmic chart (unten) shows that the stock has soared far above its dominant trend zone. The stock has just gone ballistic to the upside, no two ways about it.

In my view, this chart is a kind of super extreme expression of what's going on everywhere else in the world. It's the global markets to some exponential degree.

So, if I want to hedge myself against the possibility that things have become too frothy, buying a put on FXI makes sense to me.
How to Do It

The vertical/horizontal filter (VHF) (21) indicator, which measures the chart's "trendingness" relative to its daily volatility, is dropping down from a very high level, as it has done at previous upside extremes. And the moving average convergence/divergence (MACD) indicator is at an unprecedented height and losing momentum.

With the stock right around $200, the November 195 put (FVUWZ) is trading at $10.50 x $10.90.

The downside on buying the put is the amount you spend buying it (in this case roughly $10.90). The upside is that if the stock pulls back to, say, $155, the point from which it broke into its parabolic sprint in mid-September, the put will be worth $40 or more.

...

Of course, over time, this put suffers some time decay (theta). On the other hand, if the stock begins to decline, the implied volatility on the put will almost certainly rise significantly, which would work to offset the negative theta.  
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Anti Lemming:

Problem bei FXI-Shorts

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13.10.07 12:15
FXI ist der China-Index SSE als in USA notiertes Dollar-ADR. Wenn der Yuan freigegeben wird und zum Dollar steigt, steigt FXI mit.

Ob China-Aktien bei der Yuan-Freigabe steigen oder fallen, ist schwer vorherzusagen. Ich tippe eher auf fallen, da Exporte in die USA dann für die Amerikaner (deutlich) teurer würden, was typischerweise die Nachfrage drückt und somit die China-Wirtschaft dämpft.

Womöglich halten sich währungsbedingte Anstiege (FXI würde in Dollars teurer, was Puts schadet) und die durch den teureren Yuan ausgelösten SSE-Kurs-Verluste (die Puts nützen) sogar die Waage.
China - die Wiege des Bösen (für Aktien?) heavymax._cooltrader
heavymax._co.:

spätstens nach der Olympiade ist Schluß !

2
13.10.07 13:28
bis dahin wird die staatliche Macht Ihre Interessen im Vordergrund halten und da hinein passt kein Börsenchrash! Aber wenn danach die "Blase platzt", könnte dies womöglich in eine Asienkrise münden und hoffentlich nicht in einem "globalen Crash- Szenario" enden!
Dies ist meine persönliche Einschätzung,    Gruß von heavymax._cooltrader
ps.:dh.allerdings auch, daß "vorläufig" die Rally erst mal munter weitergeht!  
China - die Wiege des Bösen (für Aktien?) Timchen
Timchen:

Kein vernünftiger Investor geht jetzt short auf

2
13.10.07 14:34
chinesische Aktien.
Die Wirtschaft wächst locker zweistellig.
China hat riesige Importüberschüsse.
Devisenreserven von über 1000 Mrd USD, weiter wachsend
Prestigeveranstaltungen wie Olympia 2008 und Expo 2010 stehen vor der Tür

Am Aktienmarkt bildet sich eine Blase, ein klassischer Kerzenchart.
Keiner weiss wie weit er noch steigt, bzw. wann er fällt.

Aber wenn er mal fällt, dann wird er abstürzen.

Die Strategie ist doch einfach: Mit grosszügigen Stoploss' dem Trend folgen
und wenn der Stopploss irgendwann mal greift, dann erst short gehen mit dem Trend nach unten. Da dürften 50 - 80 % Luft nach unten drin sein.

Die Stoplossverluste sind dann allemal wieder drin.
China - die Wiege des Bösen (für Aktien?) Anti Lemming
Anti Lemming:

Dann sind die Autoren von Street.com

 
13.10.07 17:44
für Dich also keine "vernünftigen Investoren", Timchen? Es sind zugegeben kurzfristig orientierte Trader. Beim erwähnten Put-Spread (# 244) endet der Trade ja taggenau mit dem Optionsverfallstag im November 2007 - also in ca. 5 Wochen - und die Position soll bis dahin durchgehend gehalten werden. Der maximale Verlust sind 8 Dollar (falls FXI über 200 Dollar schließt), der maximale Gewinn 40 Dollar (falls FXI bei oder unter 160 Dollar schließt). Dazwischen sind beliebige Zwischenwerte möglich. Diese Gewinne sind jeweils zu multiplizieren mit der Stückzahl der gekauften Kontrakte x 100.

Die Position verspricht daher im Erfolgsfall einen bis zu fünf mal höheren Gewinn als im Misserfolgsfall, hat also ein passables Chance/Risiko-Verhältnis. Selbstverständlich muss man den Totalverlust (max. 8 Dollar) von Vornherein mit einkalkulieren und die Position entsprechend klein halten.
China - die Wiege des Bösen (für Aktien?) Timchen
Timchen:

Nein das sind keine Investoren,

 
14.10.07 00:01
das sind Zocker, die entweder richtig oder falsch liegen.
Die Wahrscheinlichkeit ist vermutlich auch 5:1, dass der chinesische Markt die nächsten
vier Wochen so weiterläuft wie das ganze letzte Jahr. Das haben Blasen so an sich.
Anzeichen für eine Trendumkehr in den nächsten Wochen sind für mich nicht erkennbar.

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