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The U.S. Bankruptcy Court approved Washington Mutual's motion, pursuant to Sections 105(a) and 363 of the Bankruptcy Code, (I) authorizing Washington Mutual to surrender and terminate certain insurance policies and (II) authorizing Pacific Life to distribute the policy proceeds. According to the motion, the Company's decision to exercise its ownership rights, prospective or otherwise, under the Policies at this time is an exercise of sound business judgment, is undertaken in good faith, and is in the best interests of WMI's estates and creditors. Surrendering the Policies will lead to monetization of approximately $3 million, ensuring that such funds are readily available to distribution to WMI's creditors upon confirmation of a chapter 11 plan."
www.bankruptcydata.com/BankruptcyDataNewsNEW.asp

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Purchase and Assumption Agreement (2.44 MB PDF File - PDF Help)
  ATTENTION: The reference to "Schedule 3.1a" in Article III, Paragraph 3.1, (page 9) of the
  WAMU P&A Agreement is a scrivener's error—there is no Schedule 3.1a

www.fdic.gov/about/freedom/Washington_Mutual_P_and_A.pdf

www.fdic.gov/bank/individual/failed/wamu.html

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ZItat Civil War General:
Why would the NOLs decrease after Jan 1, 2012?
Last time the NOLs substantially increased after Jan 1, 2011 and I thought delaying until next year was good for us in that same respect.
Increased NOLs increases the value of the estate when it exits BK and affects the potential waterfall to the preferred and commons, which in turn helps decide who gets to own the NewCo.

The HedgeHogs wanted the Hs to be the final "impaired" class so they would get money and the NewCo.
More NOLs increase the value of the WMI/Debtor as it exits BanKruptcy and more money flows to equity.

Maybe I am wrong about the NOLs increasing again after Jan 1, 2012.
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Zitat LargeGreen:
CWG, yes you are correct the NOL's grow HUGELY in the new year and they are the highest in value on 1/1/2012 and then start decreasing in value for every day thereafter. They are prorated kind of like when you were born, you started dying that very day.
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Law360, New York (November 22, 2011, 3:36 PM ET) -- German bank Bayerische Landesbank sued JPMorgan Chase & Co. in New York state court on Monday for alleged fraud in the sale of nearly $2.1 billion in residential mortgage-backed securities.

BayernLB argues in its complaint that JPMorgan and subsidiaries of Bear Stearns Cos. Inc. and Washington Mutual Bank, both of which JPMorgan acquired in 2008, concealed the truth about the poor quality of the loans behind those securities and provided false information to credit-rating agencies to secure investment-grade ratings.
www.law360.com/articles/287872/...ts-jpmorgan-over-2-1b-in-mbs

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Zitat myh1668:
1) The prices of the stock = buying opportunity
The lower it gets, the more shares we can buy.
2) No bad news to the drop of the prices
There is absolutely no news to make the price of the stock drop that much, on some 850 shares volume, dropped 10%, manipulation does not equal bad news.
3) We are in good hands
Susman and EC will not take a lowball settlement, we are going to get paid, just be patient.
4) Head we win, tail we win
If there is a settlement, the stock will jump. If there is no settlement, we can go for all inclusive party of disallowance and everyone love to hear the details of how Rosie helped negotiated the tainted GSA. Negotiation of a settlement means we settle for a portion of money, no deal means we go for all of it and that's $3 Billions according to Team Sus.
5) Delay away, we love delays
Say hello to $5 Billions of NOLs and can't wait for the coming appeal.
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Zitat charliendud...:
This is all controlled ... pushing the prices down for about a week before we got Susman's billing and then pushing it up. Now they are pushing it down again .... yes, buying opportunity.

If you do like some investors here, if you play the game with the MMs, you can make a little extra cash off it when they push it up 25% to 30% over a couple of days!! Just keep your core shares!


Couple more positives ... remember mediation was ordered by the Judge to mainly resolve the IT issue between EC and SNHs and Debtors and to also deal with all other issues as there are "too many issues to resolve" before she can confirm a POR as it stands.

1) As MaryM stated ... doubt there would be a delay unless all (((that includes our EC/Susman team))) are working toward an agreeable resolution. Waiting is good because I agree with Mary that the EC team would most likely have walked away if it doesn't come closer to what they are asking for. WHY give up anything to the SNHs when the IT claims litigation discovery could open up even more damning information against a lot more parties .... like JPM and FDIC. So these up and down pps are just part of the wait.

2) Since mediation is about resolving issues WITHOUT litigation, the ECs have to look at what they could get from litigation versus negotiation. Max to EC would be SNHs disallowance and subordination of their claims. That's pretty much a given in the BK law that deals made unlawfully on MNPI would get bumped to the bottom. So that scenario moves Equity up the waterfall with a fair amount of money.

So what can EC get SNHs to give up in mediation? I don't know. Why should EC give up anything in mediation when they seem to have plenty of evidence to prove their IT claims and they have expanded discovery if the prosecute the claims?? So what does no criminal charges cost SNHs? Will they finally concede to the EC demands or take their chances having those claims litigated?


3) With the overall market uncertainty, WMI has a lot of positives in this BK position with a TON of cash!! As this is resolved out there are no physical assets that require a lot of cash infusions. The debts will be clear and in today's economy that put WMI miles ahead of a lot of other companies and even a lot of governments.
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Zitat juicyjuice1..:
Agree with you. See the reaction in TRIBUNE prices after the POR gave the litigation rights to the shareholders. Trying to settle the litigation claims in a court of bankruptcy is just nothing but illegal creation of minds of legal firms like WGM who think they are smarter than others and above the law.
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MfG.L:)

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@schwarzwälder: mir hat die meinungsbreite in diesem forum immer sehr gefallen, und ich gestehe auch jedem das recht zu, seine meinung darzustellen. wir haben hier im forum einige, die ich als rechts, und einige, die ich als links einordnen würde. und manchmal haben wir auch sehr extreme beiträge.

wenn aber 9 von 10 beiträgen aus der extremen rechten ecke kommen, wird es zuviel. da stellen sich bei mir dann die haare auf, und da so eine häufung statistisch eher unwahrscheinlich ist, frage ich mich dann, wer wohl interesse haben könnte, dieses forum in diese nische abgleiten zu lassen.

unser heissgeliebter ex us präsident bush und unsere ebenso heissgeliebte berliner politikerin künast haben mal von der selbstbeschränkung geträumt (hat zwar nie funktioniert, klingt aber gut, grins), ich bin sicher, dass ich und die meisten anderen hier keinerlei einwände gegen ein gelebtes beispiel dafür hätten.

wenn ihr eingaben beim konkursgericht macht, und nicht wollt, dass eure addresse und andere daten von euch veröffentlicht werden, schickt ein exemplar eurer eingabe mit geschwärzten teilen mit. namen muss zwar immer drauf sein, aber alle anderen persönlichen daten könnt ihr schwärzen. es funktioniert nicht immer, bei mir hat zweimal funktioniert, einmal nicht, aber meistens scannt dann der gerichtsdiener die geschwärzte version ein.

und im übrigen, wenn es schon mal veröffentlicht wurde, und ihr da noch was löschen kassen wollt, dann probierts mit einem anruf oder einer email bei kccllc.

www.kccllc.com/about-us/contact/

die email addresse findet ihr auch auf der kccllc seite

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Zitat AUSretired:
They are rooting for DIMEQ to lose on the u board. Isn't the money set aside for DIMEQ and not included in the recovery for Wamuq?
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Zitat es1:
u's are not really hoping for a dimeq loss. Most wamu holders of any class want to see all classes win but it is pretty obvious that if DIME loses Us are that much closer to the money.

Just like you guys the Us are at the mercy of your ruling but we need it to go the other way. I personally just want the criminals to go to jail. I would vote for all classes to lose if we could put the people who created this mess in prison.

In the end we are all in the same boat. We should all just push the lawyers over the edge and there would be plenty for everyone.

I think it is pretty ironic that if you took all the lawyers fees and put them into the estate we would no longer be bankrupt.
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Zitat MrchntDeth:
es1,

What you say is sort of true:

" . . . but it is pretty obvious that if DIME loses Us are that much closer to the money."

Well, that is somewhat akin to saying that both Dime and the U's are driving on their way home, and Dime is 337 miles away from home, and WAMUQ's, on the other hand, are 7,620.39 miles away from home.

Yeah, you are correct to say that if you siphoned off the gas that is in Dime's car, you will be that many miles closr, true enough . . . but you're still a long, long ways from home. In fact, you've barely scratched the surface, although they do say that the journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step. But that's a lot of tanks full of gas left to steal and an awful lot of walking before you are anywhere remotely close to home.

And if you want to do some "comparative ethics," I promise you that if anybody here held equal dollar amounts in both the U's and the Dime Ltw's, I think that you would be hard pressed to find a single person that would be crossing their fingers for a Dime loss, so that your other vehicle can be 337 miles "closer to home."

If you look at it in terms of that last paragraph, you can appreciate the dilemma that the U's are facing. There are simply not enough tank fulls of gas left to steal, no more Dime Ltw Goodwill Litigation lawsuits pending on the horizon for the U's to hi-jack.

2 Questions:

a) is it worth giving up one's ethics to say that because someone stole something from me 3 years ago, I am going to start to make it right by stealing someone else's property? Put differently, do 2 wrongs ever make a right?

b) if the answer to "a" is "Yes," do you still feel the same way if you have all of the dollars you hold are stolen out of your left (Dimeq) pocket, only to go into someone else's (preferred) right pocket?

I can guarantee you that a Q "victory" of keeping $337 million (or even 357 miilion . . . it put you that much closer to home . . . it gives you that much more bang for the buck), out of the hands of the Dimeq's will NOT be going into the U's pockets. Do the math. Preferreds may appreciate it, a little. Maybe. But I can assure you that a Dime loss will be as noticeable to the U's as an ant on an elephant's butt.

So, I can safely conclude that the only U holders that are not hoping/rooting for a Dime loss are those that also own Dime Ltw's. The ones that hadn't diversified away from just U's alone will be sorely disappointed to learn that a Dime loss did not get them much closer to home.

It might leave them with a sore thumb, from still having to hitch-hike several thousand miles home, but a Dime loss is NOT going to get them anywhere near the finish line.

That's just a matter of simple math.
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http://www.ariva.de/forum/...93906News-364286?page=6757#jumppos168949

ICH: ", wird es auch eine Möglichkeit geben Steuergutschriften auf zukünftige Gewinne zu beschlagnahmen"

DU: "@bottleneck: bei den nols hat das finanzamt einen gewissen spielraum. das bedeutet, sie können durchaus eine konstruktion, wo wmineu eine andere firma erwirbt, als steuersparmodell ablehnen. d.h. eine beschlagnahmung ist gar nicht notwendig."

Verständlicher wird es vielleicht durch eine inhaltliche Verifizierung ",wird es auch eine Möglichkeit geben Steuergutschriften auf zukünftige Gewinne "LEGAL" geltend zu machen"

Danke faster & GN8!

9088   Thirty-First Monthly Application of Elliott Greenleaf, Special Litigation and Conflicts Counsel to the Debtors for Compensation and Reimbursement of Expenses for the Period ctober 1, 2011 Through October 31, 2011

www.kccllc.net/documents/0812229/0812229111122000000000012.pdf

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This is why I don't converse on here as much as I used to.. You get people who think this Judge should unilaterally do whatever they need her to do.. The rules, codes and laws are written by Congress, if they wanted BK Judges to unilaterally do things, they would have put in the code.. A bankruptcy judge is not a criminal judge, this judge is bound by the rules and procedures of bankruptcy law, so she can not say "settle this or else!" she has to coax the parties to the table. She is using a mediator because parties to the case are much more willing to discuss their issues privately with a disinterested party than publicly with a judge. As you will all recall when she has had chambers meetings, they have been "in-camera" and many parties have been present.

This is what is wrong with all of the naysayers on this board.. If THJMW (The Honorable Judge Mary Walrath) had not called out the concerns of Nate Thoma in her Jan 7 opinion, we would have all lost our investment and be doing something else by now. Many of you "investors" would have been crying in your bourbon, but that did not happen, she threw equity a bone and put the insider trading allegations into the opinion.. Making sure to point out the court can not release the SNH's because of these allegations and no consideration was being obtained for the releases. She is now protecting equity from the debtors (the adversaries she personally called out from the bench) because it is the debtors in possession who are in charge of administering the estate, not the Judge. She found their behavior suspect and ruled to appoint an examiner, reversing herself on the previous denial. If you guys remember, the examiner also pointed to a "litigation morass" and "difficulty with collection" when he concluded the GSA was fair and reasonable.. He saw alot more than us, yet he still said "the ability of the parties to litigate the claims will cost the estate more, than the recovery they may hope to get." In other words, JPM and FDIC have way to many resources and funds when it comes to litigation and will bog the estate down in a mess that could drain the estate money before it drains theirs.

A BK judge is basically a referee and will step in when it is necessary to rule on something. However, you have to understand most of the issues in BK are settled prior to coming up to the bench and very few ask the Judge for a "clarification of the law!" If you have an issues with investing in BK's and want to bash the Judge who is keeping us alive,

I say "GROW UP AND GO READ SOME BANKRUPTCY LAWS AND BOOKS!"

In Feb 2010 because she is bound by the rules of procedure, she asked each party to the GSA whether they were ready for her to rule. The FDIC said "we would like some more time your honor." She asked JPMC and Debtors counsel if they had any objections to FDIC requesting more time and they said "NO!" They all walked back in the courtroom on March 4th, went straight to chambers and this time it was the debtors who wanted more time. She was going to rule on March 12th, but Rosen stopped her because they had a GSA that stopped the claims process from being adjudicated. As we all are quite aware 27B from each party JPMC and FDIC-R were never adjudicated, but the GSA settles them. How are we supposed to know what those claims are, maybe the FDIC-R is wanting the estate to pay for the WMB Bondholders, we do not know and many have speculated on what the claims can mean. She made a point to make sure that the procedure of 9019 would be followed at the EC's request. con't below

As we move forward with the mediation process, we have to understand exactly who was sent to mediation. It wasn't JPMC or FDIC-R, no it was [all] the other parties who want the cash and scraps that are left. The GSA clears the claim docket on the JPMC/FDIC-R side and puts a veil over the parties to it. However, the 7B in cash that is coming back to the estate, has to go somewhere and that my friends are the parties who were sent to mediation.

EC has done a superb job of adjudicating their IT claims, because it has shown a "bright light at the end of the tunnel." The SNH's have over 3B in creditor claims against this estate and THJMW colored them on IT. That means her ruling of disallowance and possibly even disgorgement could effectively ruin not only their careers, firms and possible freedom, it sets a new precedent in the way the hedge funds who want to buy up debtor debt will need to operate if they elect to be a part of the process. We all know March 12th was no fluke, it was insider trading, and it harmed every shareholder of all 3 series of stocks. The insiders knew what Rosen was going to do, so they traded early to kill the stocks with very small volume and made big money doing it (disgorgement). They are guilty of many more instances and new discovery order against them will lay it all to bare.

So, for the naysayers who want to keep bashing this Judge, I say go to some other courtrooms and see how other judges are punting issues. Settlement is part of court, in any court, and in law it is used 90% of the time. Why would any of you think it would be any different in here? She gave us a bone, she could easily have wiped us out; we know how long the Appeal process is in BK courts. She left us alive and breathing, so we can live to fight on and that is exactly what Susman Godfrey (Parker/Edgar/Seth/Justin) have been doing...

THEIR JOB!!! WHAT ELSE DO YOU WANT ?????

Everything has a process !!! You have to understand the way things work before you can finally "see the light thru the trees!"

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As a prelude to tomorrow’s closing arguments in the LTW Adversary Proceeding let’s frame the case in its most simple terms. It is a tale of two stories, one centered on the contract and buttressed by additional salient statements made by those who commissioned its construct and the other centered on discordant, shifting and concocted threadbare arguments with privation of right, subrogation and defeasance at their core.

At issuance, Dime Bancorp made the following statement within its S-3;

“Why are we distributing the LTWs?
We are distributing the LTWs in an effort to pass along the potential value of our claim against the government to our existing stockholders in the form of tradeable securities. The distribution is part of our effort to improve returns and provide enhanced value to our stockholders.”

This statement provides further support outside of the 4 corners of the Warrant Agreement which provides for the transfer (an obligation by contract) of 85% of Dime’s economic interest in the Anchor Litigation to the LTW Holders. Section 4.4 of the Warrant Agreement also discusses the “essential intent and principles” of the agreement and if the essential intent and principles of the agreement were something other than (1) conveying 85% of the Anchor Litigation and (2) preserving the LTW Holder’s right to receive such value, then the contract itself has no purpose or meaning.

When one reads all of the Debtors pleadings and views their case “Holistically” and “In Totality” the Debtor is asking the Court to reach the following inapposite conclusion:

The essential intent and principles of the LTW Agreement (drafted by Sullivan and Cromwell) was to convey 100% of the economic interest in the Anchor Litigation to JP Morgan (represented by Sullivan and Cromwell), free and clear of the nonexistent obligations to the LTW Holders in a 2-year backdated §363 sale more than a decade after the drafting of the contract , so that Washington Mutual Inc. in its infinite wisdom, armed with the sword and shield of Debtors Business Judgment could receive valuable consideration in exchange for such and then expunge the nonexistent obligation to the LTW Holders in favor of certain other members of its creditor constituency replete with blocking positions and tainted by colorable claims for insider trading.

Die US - Notenbank Fed will u.a. sechs Großbanken auf ihre Widerstandsfähigkeit
gegen eine mögliche Verschlimmerung der europäischen Schuldenkrise testen.

Wegen ihrer Investmentbanking - Tätigkeit müssen die Banken einen besonderen,
umfassenden Test bestehen. Dazu zählt auch ein massiver Wertverlust bei europäischen
Staatsanleihen.

An dem Streßtest sollen u.a. die Bank of America, die Citigroup, Goldman Sachs,
J.P. Morgan Chase, Morgan Stanley und Wells Fargo teilnehmen.

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Um den neuen Streßtest der Europ. Bankenaufsicht EBA zu bestehen, fehlen der Commerzbank etwa € 5 Milliarden, sie müßte daher erneut vom Staat unterstützt werden.
Der Deutschen Bank fehlen hierzu ebenfalls Milliarden, sie beabsichtigt deshalb evtl. einen Teilbereich ihrer Geschäftstätigkeit zu verkaufen.

Quelle: NTV 23.11.2011

Es ist alles beim alten u doch irgendwo stimmt mich das ganze Szenario oder besser gesagt Verschiebungs/Verlängerungsmarathon er positiv. Nach dem am gestrigen Tag 22.11.11 der Status Report des Mediators Lynch eigentlich im hearing behandelt werden sollte und die Spannung wie so oft ins unermessliche gestiegen war. Wurde kurzerhand das hearing dazu nochmal um 2,5Wochen verschoben auf den 8.12.11, nach dem ein Brief des Mediators ans Gericht eingegangen war siehe folgendes Doc.
www.kccllc.net/documents/0812229/0812229111122000000000007.pdf

In meinen Augen steht das ganz klar dafür, das da rege verhandelt wird u man vor einer Einigung steht den sonst würde man nicht nochmal verlängern wenn die Fronten zu weit auseinander liegen würden u keine Chance auf eine Einigung bestünde. Wiederrum kann man daraus eine Schlussfolgerung ableiten das das EC u S&G hier eine knallharte Linie verfolgen u die unsere Commons nicht wertlos absaufen lassen.
Den eins muss jedem von uns bewußt sein eine Einigung kommt nur zustande wenn das EC u die TPS´ler mit einwilligen. Mary will/wollte durch das Mediationsverfahren eine Einigung ALLER*!!!* Parteien also führt dieser Weg nur über unser EC. Spannend ist die Frage wie wird diese aussehen, va. würde mich intressieren was da alles hinter verschlossenen Türen auf den Tisch kommt an Fakten die einfach nicht für die Öffentlichkeit bestimmt sind*g*. Es wäre natürlich auf für die amerikanischen Aktionäre sowie Politik hier ein segen wenn zu thanks giving hier die hammermeldung käme die Aktionäre haben sich geeinigt es wird ein Settelment geben wo alle einzelnen Klassen fair berücksichtigt werden.
So long euer Intuition

Zu den 4 Mrd: MW wollte darüber entscheiden, tat es aber auf Bitte von BR nicht, obwohl selbst JPM zugegeben hat, dass das Geld der WMI gehört und es schon zurück geben wollte (hätte ja Zinsen und somit mehr Guthaben für die WMI bedeutet. Außerdem hätte das BOD arbeiten und Rechenschaft über die Anlagestrategie ablegen müssen). Also, hier muß ich Dich korregieren. Hierüber ist noch keine Entscheidung gefallen. Ihr Wortlaut war auch so ungefähr: Wenn sie darüber entscheiden würde, würde wahrscheinlich eine weitere Bank in Schieflage geraten. Kurz danach hat dann JPM Boni in Mrd-Höhe ausgeschüttet. Das zeigt mir wiederum, dass MW Ihre Bank JPM deckt und schützt und somit in diesem Verfahren nicht ganz rund läuft und mindestens DREI FEHLENTSCHEIDUNGEN, die JPM geholfen haben, getroffen hat.
Zum Ersten die TPS-, zum Zweiten die 4 Mrd- und zum Dritten die GSA-Entscheidung.
Wer dann noch sagt, dass diese Dame alles für uns tut (mit diesen Entscheidungen für uns wären wir schon längst aus CH11 raus und hätten eine neue Firma oder eine gute Entschädigung für unsere Aktien), irrt in meinen Augen gewaltig. Sie ist nur darauf bedacht, keine so gravierenden Fehler zu machen, dass Sie und Ihre Urteile angreifbar wären und Sie in den Fokus der Parteinahme rücken könnte.

Gruß
Cliff

Ich glaube nicht das es zu einer Einigung kommen wird. Die werden uns ausbuchen,oder geben uns ein paar Peanuts,wo es aufs gleiche raus kommt.Die werden für uns nicht einen Cent locker machen.Dieses Rechtssystem wird man glaube ich nie verstehen.Obwohl alles eindeutig erscheint und die  Beweislage  klar ist,wird trotzdem auf Seiten der Richterin weitergespielt und gepokert. Warum in Gottes Namen lässt sie dieses Spielchen von Rosi überhaupt zu.Ich lese hier immer .Es sah noch nie besser aus für uns ,wo bitte sieht es denn besser aus.Wir stehen genau da ,wo wir vor einem oder zwei Jahren gestanden haben.Die lassen uns bis zum sankt Nimmerleinstag schmoren und dann wird bekannt gegeben,das es nichts mehr zu holen gibt,da die Reserven für unsere Rechtsanwälte aufgebraucht sind.

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

...würde mal wieder der pessimismus um sich greifen
immer wenn's nicht so läuft wie geplant *schade*

kritisch muss man das ganze auch mal sehen,es its halt nicht alles friede freude eierkuchen!!!!

Niemand kann,stand heute sagen,ob ausbuchung settelment oder eine wiederbelebung des unternehmens kommt.alles was hier geschrieben wird ist reine spekulation--die sich mit manchen fakten mischen bzw.durch zusammenhänge begründet werden-leider kann niemand sagen ob das jetzt pos. ist das verlängert wird,vielleicht bastelt rosen an ner neuen gemeinheit und er hält susi hin-wer weis das schon???

die meinen, vor dem thanksgiving day wird eingekauft, weil niemand weiss, was so ein thanksgiving noch schönes parat haben könnte ;-))

Kurs ist unwichtig.
Mary ist unwicht.
Und Rosen am Ende auch.

Letztes Jahr waren die Erwartungen genauso wie jetzt. Jeder hat gehofft das an Thanksgiving sich etwas Außergewöhnliches ereignet. Aber eine positive Nachricht blieb leider aus und der Truthahn ist mehr oder weniger mit einem großen "Bang" implodiert. Wie letztes Jahr wird sich nix ereignen, was uns zufriedenstellen wird. Das ist natürlich nur meine Meinung.

Glückauf

Bitte beachten !


MfG.L:)

befürchte ich auch...hier wird hinausgezögert, verschleppt...bis man sagen kann...es ist nischt mehr da...ich komm mir aber sowas von verarscht vor...hier werden die aktionäre, die öffentlichkeit, mary für blöd verkauft...und mary ist zu schwach und unfähig, dem ganzen schmieren-theater mal einhalt zu gebieten bzw. mal eine scharfe, strenge linie in dem geeier hier reinzubringen..es tut mir leid...aber ich sehe den prozess seit spätestens vorgestern nur noch als witz....

paketix...hut aber...dass du so gelassen bleibst...und der meinung bist...abgerechnet wird am schluss...

mir ist das ganze aber mittlerweile zu eindeutig....und richtig...es wird am schluss abgerechnet....was aber dabei herauskommen wird....ich befürchte...nicht mehr (wenn überhaupt) viel...hab meine shares zwar  immer noch...sehe meine persönlichen chancen auf erfolg aber nur noch bei 20:80...da ich ja optimist bin .-)