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odin10de:

@rezo25:

5
14.04.11 09:34
Hoffentlich liest Pfandbrief das nicht ;-)
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rezo25:

eher...

 
14.04.11 09:41
einer von den amerikanischen freunde, zb bobfan....
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odin10de:

@rezo25

 
14.04.11 09:52
Wäre nicht schlecht, der/die kenne die Materie.
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Rabbit59:

St. Jean

7
14.04.11 10:00
Ja der Kadavergehorsam - wie sagte schon Keith Richards in seiner Bio "Die Schule dient nur dazu, die Menschenkinder auf ein Leben in einem Industriesystem anzupassen, damit sie dort gut funktionieren". Da hat er Recht der gute Keith. Alle anderen haben ADS oder sonst eine Krankheit - genannt "Querdenkertum" Mehr Selbstbewusstsein, mehr Selbstbestimmung - täte jedem gut. Aber die vom System erzeugte Existenzangst, stoppt viele Menschen, ihren eigenen Weg zu gehen. Man stelle sich vor - jeder ginge seinen Wünschen nach - dann wäre jedes System am Ende. Jeder muss sich selbst "befreien" - mit er Angst geht es los, schmeisst sie in die Tonne,  leiht kein Geld von der Bank - der erste Schritt in die "Knechtschaft".  Und bei Wamu? Alles im grünen Bereich - last euch nicht nervös machen - bleibt drin. Das waren die Ausdünstungen aus dem "Hasenstall".
Wenn du was besonderes kannst und du auch davon träumst, beginn es.
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C_P_:

Ich bin eher für Ilovestocks, SlyOne oder

7
14.04.11 10:01
Lawrence, denn die haben ja auch die genialen Objections verfasst und das tun sie schon seit Monaten, andererseits müsste dann jemand anderes die Objections verfassen.

Ach so, guten Morgen allerseits.
LG CP

PS: das gestrige Treffen (5 UIE-Stuttgart-Mitglieder) war wieder sehr angenehm und aufschlussreich.
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Rabbit59:

CP

2
14.04.11 10:05
Bin ganz neidisch - möchte auch mal ein paar Wamuaner treffen - wer kommt aus dem Raum Koblenz? Übrigens dort beginnt morgen die BUGA - ist eine schöne Stadt geworden.
Wenn du was besonderes kannst und du auch davon träumst, beginn es.
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St-Jean-Cap-F.:

@affliction: Hat mich sowieso gewundert, ...

 
14.04.11 10:15
http://www.ariva.de/...KN_893906_News_t364286?page=5220#jumppos130511

... dass man das EC so gelassen hat.

Gruss, St. JCF
Ich denke gerne das Undenkbare
Meine Meinung. Keine Handelsempfehlung

Suchmaschinen ohne google-Kontrolle
excite.de, dmoz.org, ixquick.com, yahoo.de,askjeeves.de,ecosia.org,lycos.de,fireball.de!
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Affliction:

EC Staff

9
14.04.11 10:26
Entweder ist HoPham nach Pitsker nun auch schon wieder abgesprungen und der US Trustee sucht nun nach einem neuen Mitglied, damit auch die Vorzugsaktionäre im Committee vertreten sind (Willingham hat nur Commons) oder es gibt tatsächlich Bedarf das EC zu vergrössern. Vielleicht kommt heute schon was aufs Docket.  

Lg,
Affliction


ps: wenn diese/r BOPFAN ins EC einsteigt, wäre dies ein Grund für mich die Aktien sofort zu verkaufen
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paketix:

@affliction

 
14.04.11 10:49
wieso denn?
was hast denn gegen BOPFAN...(?)
so looong
/paketix
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mcpomm:

OT aber so kann es gehen liebe Basherfraktion

2
14.04.11 10:52

Börsenberater zu Bewährungsstrafe verurteilt

aufgrund rechtlicher Belange muß selbst geklickt werden

http://www.bild.de/home/telegramm/home-telegramm/...7421746.bild.html

 

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lander:

The Real Housewives of Wall Street

2
14.04.11 11:21
www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/...-bailout-20110411?page=2

ZItat:

The Real Housewives of Wall Street

Why is the Federal Reserve forking over $220 million in bailout money to the wives of two Morgan Stanley bigwigs?

In August 2009, John Mack, at the time still the CEO of Morgan Stanley, made an interesting life decision. Despite the fact that he was earning the comparatively low salary of just $800,000, and had refused to give himself a bonus in the midst of the financial crisis, Mack decided to buy himself a gorgeous piece of property — a 107-year-old limestone carriage house on the Upper East Side of New York, complete with an indoor 12-car garage, that had just been sold by the prestigious Mellon family for $13.5 million. Either Mack had plenty of cash on hand to close the deal, or he got some help from his wife, Christy, who apparently bought the house with him.

The Macks make for an interesting couple. John, a Lebanese-American nicknamed "Mack the Knife" for his legendary passion for firing people, has one of the most recognizable faces on Wall Street, physically resembling a crumpled, half-burned baked potato with a pair of overturned furry horseshoes for eyebrows. Christy is thin, blond and rich — a sort of still-awake Sunny von Bulow with hobbies. Her major philanthropic passion is endowments for alternative medicine, and she has attained the level of master at Reiki, the Japanese practice of "palm healing." The only other notable fact on her public résumé is that her sister was married to Charlie Rose.

It's hard to imagine a pair of people you would less want to hand a giant welfare check to — yet that's exactly what the Fed did. Just two months before the Macks bought their fancy carriage house in Manhattan, Christy and her pal Susan launched their investment initiative called Waterfall TALF. Neither seems to have any experience whatsoever in finance, beyond Susan's penchant for dabbling in thoroughbred racehorses. But with an upfront investment of $15 million, they quickly received $220 million in cash from the Fed, most of which they used to purchase student loans and commercial mortgages. The loans were set up so that Christy and Susan would keep 100 percent of any gains on the deals, while the Fed and the Treasury (read: the taxpayer) would eat 90 percent of the losses. Given out as part of a bailout program ostensibly designed to help ordinary people by kick-starting consumer lending, the deals were a classic heads-I-win, tails-you-lose investment.

So how did the government come to address a financial crisis caused by the collapse of a residential-mortgage bubble by giving the wives of a couple of Morgan Stanley bigwigs free money to make essentially risk-free investments in student loans and commercial real estate? The answer is: by degrees. The history of the bailout era reads like one of those awful stories about what happens when a long-dormant criminal compulsion goes unchecked. The Peeping Tom next door stares through a few bathroom windows, doesn't get caught, and decides to break in and steal a pair of panties. Next thing you know, he's upgraded to homemade dungeons, tri-state serial rampages and throwing cheerleaders into a panel truck.

It was the same with the bailouts. They started out small, with the government throwing a few hundred billion in public money to prop up genuinely insolvent firms like Bear Stearns and AIG. Then came TARP and a few other programs that were designed to stave off bank failures and dispose of the toxic mortgage-backed securities that were a root cause of the financial crisis. But before long, the Fed began buying up every distressed investment on Wall Street, even those that were in no danger of widespread defaults: commercial real estate loans, credit- card loans, auto loans, student loans, even loans backed by the Small Business Administration. What started off as a targeted effort to stop the bleeding in a few specific trouble spots became a gigantic feeding frenzy. It was "free money for shit," says Barry Ritholtz, author of Bailout Nation. "It turned into 'Give us your crap that you can't get rid of otherwise.' "

The impetus for this sudden manic expansion of the bailouts was a masterful bluff by Wall Street executives. Once the money started flowing from the Federal Reserve, the executives began moaning to their buddies at the Fed, claiming that they were suddenly afraid of investing in anything — student loans, car notes, you name it — unless their profits were guaranteed by the state. "You ever watch soccer, where the guy rolls six times to get a yellow card?" says William Black, a former federal bank regulator who teaches economics and law at the University of Missouri. "That's what this is. If you have power and connections, they will give you a freebie deal — if you're good at whining."

This is where TALF fits into the bailout picture. Created just after Barack Obama's election in November 2008, the program's ostensible justification was to spur more consumer lending, which had dried up in the midst of the financial crisis. But instead of lending directly to car buyers and credit-card holders and students — that would have been socialism! — the Fed handed out a trillion dollars to banks and hedge funds, almost interest-free. In other words, the government lent taxpayer money to the same assholes who caused the crisis, so that they could then lend that money back out on the market virtually risk-free, at an enormous profit.

Cue your Billy Mays voice, because wait, there's more! A key aspect of TALF is that the Fed doles out the money through what are known as non-recourse loans. Essentially, this means that if you don't pay the Fed back, it's no big deal. The mechanism works like this: Hedge Fund Goon borrows, say, $100 million from the Fed to buy crappy loans, which are then transferred to the Fed as collateral. If Hedge Fund Goon decides not to repay that $100 million, the Fed simply keeps its pile of crappy securities and calls everything even.

This is the deal of a lifetime. Think about it: You borrow millions, buy a bunch of crap securities and stash them on the Fed's books. If the securities lose money, you leave them on the Fed's lap and the public eats the loss. But if they make money, you take them back, cash them in and repay the funds you borrowed from the Fed. "Remember that crazy guy in the commercials who ran around covered in dollar bills shouting, 'The government is giving out free money!' " says Black. "As crazy as he was, this is making it real."



By
Matt Taibbi
April 12, 2011 9:55 AM ET

Zitatende


MfG.L:)

"Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens"
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Affliction:

Bopfan

24
14.04.11 11:35
@Paketix: lange war ich diesem User neutral gegenüber eingestellt. Bei mir jedenfalls hat sich dieser Schreiberling seinen Kredit mittlerweile gänzlich verspielt. Zu viele Fehlprognosen sind eingetroffen, ohne dass Bopfan danach überhaupt erst Stellung genommen hat. Und dass es sich bei diesem User um einen ehemaligen Konkursanwalt handelt, wage ich zu bezweifeln. Da sind Fehlprognosen eingetroffen, die sich ein angeblicher Konkursanwalt meiner Meinung nach einfach nicht leisten kann. Da halte ich weitaus mehr von Leuten wie Ben Mason, Nate Thoma, Ilene Slatko, Michael Rozenfeld oder James Berg. Das sind wenigstens Leute, die aktiv etwas unternehmen, anstatt sporadisch im Yahoo Board aufzutauchen und nichts als heiße Luft versprühen.

Lg,
Affliction
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lander:

weiter zu #130519

2
14.04.11 11:35
investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=62055270

Zitat jackfburns:

That sounds great... but it is predicated on this: "there is a mandatory mediation process before anyone appeals a judge's ruling."

I'm not a legal eagle either... does anyone know that the above statement is true? If so, your analysis would seem very plausible.

Thanks.

Jack
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ZItat tdmd:

Mandatory Mediation for Appeals with link

Link: www.ded.uscourts.gov/Announce/MedAdminOrder.pdf

Text:
IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE DISTRICT OF DELAWARE

In Re: ::
Procedures To Govern Mediation Of :
Appeals From The United States :
Bankruptcy Court For This District.

O R D E R
WHEREAS, this Court has jurisdiction to hear appeals from the Bankruptcy Court for this
District, 28 U.S.C. § 158;

WHEREAS, the Judges of this Court have determined that, in order to more efficiently and expeditiously administer justice and assist the parties to amicably resolve the disputes which are the subject of appeals before the Court, it is appropriate and necessary for there to be mandatory mediation of all appeals to this Court from the Bankruptcy Court;

NOW THEREFORE, this 23rd day of July, 2004, it is hereby ordered that the following mandatory mediation procedures shall apply to all appeals to this Court from the Bankruptcy Court:

1. Appellate Mediation Panel

(a) The Judges of the Court shall designate a panel of mediators who meet the criteria contained in 1(b) (the “Appellate Mediation Panel” or “Panel”). Panel members will serve at the pleasure of the Judges of this Court.

(b) Persons seeking to be members of the Panel must submit a letter requesting same. Said letter should state the regular hourly rate charged by that person and be accompanied by a Curriculum
Vitae which demonstrates the person’s experience, competence and acceptability to serve on the Panel.

(c) Following selection, the mediator’s relationship is solely with the parties to the appeal, except that mediators are subject to certain reporting requirements to the Judges and Clerk of this Court.

2. Referral to Panel

Appeals in bankruptcy cases shall be referred to the Appellate Mediation Panel to facilitate settlement or otherwise to assist in the expeditious handling of the appeal. The Clerk of this Court shall establish and manage the Appellate Mediation Panel. Mediations will be conducted by members of the Panel. In all cases, the Clerk will assign the matter to a mediator on a rotating basis.

3.Initial Submissions to Mediator And Deferral of Briefing

The Clerk will provide the mediator with a copy of the judgment or order on appeal, any opinion or memorandum issued by the Bankruptcy Court, any relevant motions, and all statements by the parties of the issues to be presented on appeal.

Briefing shall be deferred during the pendency of mediation unless the Court determines otherwise. A referral to mediation, however, shall not defer or extend the time for ordering any necessary transcripts.

If a case is not resolved through mediation, it will proceed through the appellate process as if mediation had not been considered or initiated.

4. Referral of Pending Appeals to Mediation

At any time during an appeal pending as of the date of this order, the assigned Judge may refer the appeal to the Panel for mediation. The procedures set forth in paragraph 5 below are applicable to
matters referred for mediation pursuant to this paragraph unless otherwise directed by the mediator. Documents, including but not limited to those specified in paragraph 5(a), may be required.

5. Proceedings After Selection of the Mediator

(a) Submission of Position Papers and Documents

Within fifteen (15) days after the selection of the mediator, each counsel shall prepare and submit to the mediator a confidential position paper of no more than ten (10) pages, stating counsel’s
views on the key facts and legal issues in the case, as well as on
key factors relating to settlement. The position paper will include a statement of motions filed in this Court and their status. Copies of position papers submitted by the parties directly to the mediator should not be served upon opposing counsel. Documents prepared for mediation sessions are not to be filed with the Clerk’s Office and are not to be of record in the case.

(b) Mediation Sessions

The mediator will notify the parties of the time, date, and place of the mediation session and whether it will be conducted in person or telephonically. Unless the mediator directs otherwise, mediation sessions must be attended by the senior lawyer for each party responsible for the appeal and by the person or persons with actual authority to negotiate a settlement of the case. If settlement is not reached at the initial mediation session, but the mediator believes further mediation sessions or discussions would be productive, the mediator may conduct additional mediation sessions in person or telephonically.

(c) Confidentiality of Mediation Proceedings

The mediator shall not disclose to anyone statements made or information developed during the mediation process. The attorneys and other persons attending the mediation are likewise prohibited
from disclosing statements made or information developed during the mediation process to anyone other than clients, principals or co-counsel, and then, only upon receiving due assurances that the
recipients will honor the confidentiality of the information. Similarly, the parties are prohibited from using any information obtained as a result of the mediation process as a basis for any motion or argument to any court. The mediation proceedings shall be considered compromise negotiations under Rule 408 of the Federal Rules of Evidence. Notwithstanding the foregoing, the bare fact that a settlement has been reached as a result of mediation shall not be considered confidential.

(d) Settlement
No party shall be bound by statements or actions at a mediation session unless a settlement is reached. If a settlement is reached, the agreement shall be reduced to writing and shall be binding upon all parties to the agreement, and counsel shall file a stipulation of dismissal of the appeal. Such a stipulation must be filed within thirty (30) days after settlement is reached.

(e) Fees of the Mediator

One-half of the mediator’s fees shall be paid by the appellant(s) and one-half of such fees shall be paid by the appellee(s).

FOR THE COURT:
Sue L. Robinson
SUE L. ROBINSON
CHIEF JUDGE

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There you go...Mandatory mediation which the debtors wanted with the EC. And like Steinberg said, they gotta be offering something, otherwise, there's no point in mediation.
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ZItatende


MfG.L:)
"Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens"
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Pfandbrief:

@mcpomm

6
14.04.11 11:43

Du weißt schon, dass das ein Pusher war und kein Basher? Mit Pushen verdienste Geld, die dumme Masse ist immer long.

Jedenfalls ist der nette Herr verdammt billig weggekommen. Ich mag einen Satz in der FTD heute:

In den USA etwa greift die Justiz härter durch. Dort gilt  Marktmanipulation ganz und gar nicht als Kavaliersdelikt. Myron G.,  einer der US-Hintermänner im Fall (von mir zensiert, da dieser Name auf Ariva nicht gepostet werden darf), wurde im vergangenen Jahr zu  sechseinhalb Jahren Haft verurteilt.

Wohin muss man eigentlich die Bananen wirklich schicken, hm?

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elmoxis:

@ mcpomm #130537

2
14.04.11 11:44
sry, aber Bild lesen und Börse?

Nichts gegen Blinde Hühner und der Sache mit dem Körner finden, aber Bild lesen, oder eben nicht, ist wie eine nett aussehende, intelligente, liebevolle Junge Frau zu lieben und zu ehren( nicht Bild ) oder eine knallig krass übertriebene, in Ihrer Wahren Gestalt verfälschte Prostituierte zu Heiraten(Bild), weil die ja voll bunt und fabig und hübsch anzusehen ist, was für den Gaffer im Menschen. Ich mein ok, mal in einem Moment der endlosen langeweile, über ne(r) Bild zu (f)liegen, kann einem ein lächeln endlocken, aber lesen? - Ernstnehmen? - Verbreiten? ?? - Sry, aber das ist echt nicht die richtige Presse für analysen und fakten. Sensationsgeilheitsausnutzung am Mensch praktiziert, nicht mehr und nicht weniger.

Schaust du noch hin, oder blickst dus schon?
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lander:

Watchdog: Treasury risks overpaying law firms

 
14.04.11 11:57
news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110414/ap_on_bi_ge/us_bailouts_oversight

Zitat:

Watchdog: Treasury risks overpaying law firms

By DANIEL WAGNER, AP Business Writer – 2 hrs 37 mins ago

WASHINGTON – The Treasury Department paid out more than $27 million to law firms overseeing the financial bailouts without requiring detailed bills or questioning the incomplete records that the lawyers provided, a government watchdog says.

Treasury's "current contracts and fee bill review practices create an unacceptable risk that Treasury, and therefore the American taxpayer, is overpaying for legal services," the Special Inspector General for the Troubled Asset Relief Program said in a report issued Thursday.

Treasury could not have adequately gauged whether the fees were reasonable because the records are so sparse, the report says.

The report criticizes so-called "block billing," in which law firms submit "vague and inadequate descriptions of work, and administrative charges — all of which should have been questioned before payment," the report says.

Treasury staff failed to question the charges for work that was described vaguely, the report says.

For example, SIGTARP staff found potential problems with two-thirds of bills submitted to Treasury by the law firm Venable LLP — invoices totaling $676,840.

Venable said in a statement that it fully cooperated with the special inspector general's review. "We have not had the opportunity to read the full report, however, we are confident that Treasury received fair value for the services that we provided," the firm said.

In a separate instance, several lawyers who attended the same meeting billed Treasury for varying numbers of hours for that meeting, it says.

The problems identified in the report go beyond legal contracts, Acting Special Inspector General Christy Romero said. She said Treasury's light-touch review of bills and weak oversight affect hundreds of millions in contracts that the agency signed just as its authority to create new bailout programs was about to expire.

"What we saw was that this wasn't just an issue related to the Venable fee bill," Romero said in an interview. "This is an issue throughout the bills" submitted by other contractors working on the bailout programs.

Romero said the report was finalized quickly because the problematic billing procedures still are in place, and Treasury continues to pay contractors without requiring detailed billing.

"We really felt like we needed to make a difference right now," Romero said.

Treasury responded mostly favorably to the SIGTARP report's recommendations. Acting Assistant Secretary for Financial Stability Timothy Massad said in written comments that Treasury's contracting procedures won praise from other oversight bodies, including the Government Accountability Office and the Congressional Oversight Panel.

His office "has implemented strong and effective processes in regard to all of its contracts, including those for legal services," Massad wrote in response to the draft report.

Still, Treasury agreed to tighten its reviews of contractors' billing in line with SIGTARP's recommendations.

The watchdog suggested that Treasury implement billing procedures similar to those used by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp., which frequently contracts with outside law firms to rescue or wind down banks. It said the office should supplement new contracts with detailed requirements about billing procedures, create internal guidelines for the staff who review those bills, and review already-paid bills to make sure the payouts were proper.

The report says Treasury already has started to implement all of those recommendations.

ZItatende


MfG.L:)
"Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens"
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lander:

aus dem I Hub

3
14.04.11 12:00
investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=62055688

Zitat michael laurino:

Catz........tdmd's observations make sense to me......How do you feel about the significance of this mediation???TIA
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ZItat Catz:

The EC is seeking "relief" from Mediation. Eg, the EC sees no value in mediation. It's a different issue there. The EC wants to skip mediation and go to briefing/trial of the appeal issues. The debtors are using mediation as a 'delay' tactic.

Remember, DimeQ is wanting to mediate to settle their claim against the estate for money.

Reemmber, Equity is being forced (for now) to mediate whether or not their appeal has merit, or there is another resolution to the appeal. The Debtors are using the standing policy for mediation before appeals proceed as a delay tactic.

Apples/Oranges.

Docket # 14 03/14/2011 REPLY to Response to Motion re 8 MOTION for (I) Relief from the District Court's Standing Order Referring Appeals from the Bankruptcy Court to Mediation and (II) Establishment of Briefing Schedule MOTION for (I) Relief from the District Court's Standing Order Referring Appeals from the Bankruptcy Court to Mediation and (II) Establishment of Briefing Schedule MOTION for (I) Relief from the District Court's Standing Order Referring Appeals from the Bankruptcy Court to Mediation and (II) Establishment of Briefing Schedule filed by Official Committee of Equity Security Holders. (Taylor, Gregory) (Entered: 03/14/2011)

From docket # 14 of Case #11-158 (GMS)
See: www.mediafire.com/?jr05cv6e3ex7zqj

The Equity Committee Writes:

"The Debtors fail to identify a single issue that could be resolved through mediation. There is none. ... There is simply nothing to mediate:

the Debtors will not agree to jettison the Court's ruling -- indeed, they may be powerless to do so -- and the Equity Committee will not agree to abandon its appeal. The Debtors know this and do not pretend otherwise."

_____________________________

{A re-post of mine from Y!}

My two cents. The appellate courts try to force parties to mediation - as we have seen in the standing orders by the appellate court. Mediation is a 'normal' part of the process.

The EC is arguing, IMHO correctly, that Mediation in their appeal is a delay tactic, and not likely to prove any worth since both parties are not going to budge on their desire for the appeal.

I would believe the same is occurring in the TPS situation.

DimeQ has a different motive. I believe their situation is much more likely to be in their favor, they know it. This is why they want to have a mediator - instead of fighting for a long time with WMI/JPM, etc.

IMHO, I read the 'mediation' in different lights depending on the circumstance. In the case of the EC and TPS -- I view mediation, in the context of the appeals, as negative. It is not an indication of anything positive, just a hurdle and a perfunctory thing that is required by the appellate courts.

On the other hand, in the DimeQ scenario -- that 'mediation' may very well be beneficial to them. If WMI/JPM feels that they are on the loosing end of that stick, through mediation they may be able to come to a solution that costs them less monies than going to trial, etc.

ZItatende

MfG.L:)
"Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens"
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C_P_:

@Affliction

23
14.04.11 12:04
Da muss ich etwas korrigieren. Bopfan war Diejenige, die hinter der Motion von Daniel Hoffman stand, sie hat ausserdem Ilene Slatko und andere Aktionäre meines Wissens vor diversen Hearings gebrieft. Also ganz so untätig ist Bopfan nicht gewesen. Allerdings stelle ich Bopfan in die gleiche Kategorie wie fsshon. Überschwengliche Euphorie mit teilweisem Realitätsverlust gepaart mit außerordentlich viel Sachverstand.

Hier zählt nicht müsste, wäre, könnte, sondern das es Fakt und unumstößlich ist, genau das ist unser Ziel, denke ich. Vor Gericht zählen nur die Dinge, die ans Licht kommen und dafür sorgen u.a. UIE-Mitgieder wie auch kompetente Board-Mitglieder von hüben wie drüben.

LG CP
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Rabbit59:

Pfandbrief

18
14.04.11 12:30
werde mal locker - du scheinst an einer Zwangskrankheit zu leiden - hier sind fröhlich pfeifende und singende Kult-Zocker investiert..die geben einen Pups au dein ach so analytisches Denken - auf gut Deutsch - geh uns nicht auf den "Sack"..
Wenn du was besonderes kannst und du auch davon träumst, beginn es.
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Wilhelm2006:

Na so was...

3
14.04.11 12:32
der *****arsch ist wieder da .... mir fällt nur im Moment nicht der Vorname ein ...




hahaha
WMI = största bankrån genom tiderna
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Gumoe:

EC Mitglieder...

4
14.04.11 12:40
Ich würde nochmal nachkaufen wenn Faster
ins EC kommt...
Keine Handelsaufforderung!
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Affliction:

@CP

5
14.04.11 12:41
Dass Bopfan über ein ausserordentlich grosses Sachwissen verfügt, streite ich nicht mal ab. Nur sollte man die Beiträge von diesem User mit Vorsicht geniessen, da Bopfan in der Vergangenheit eben meist daneben lag und Thesen in einer überaus überzeugten Art aufstellte. Am besten macht sich jeder selbst (s)ein Bild über Bopfan. Ich habe mir meines gemacht.

Ilene werde ich bei Gelegenheit mal fragen, was es mit diesem Briefing von Bopfan auf sich hat.

Lg,
Affliction
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whiskyandcok.:

@Affliction:

4
14.04.11 12:52

 Bopfan in der Vergangenheit eben meist daneben lag

 

bis jetzt liegen wir alle daneben....

Geld wird an der Börse nicht mit dem Kopf, sondern mit dem Hintern verdient.
                                                                                                    A.Kostolany.
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OWDiver:

@Rabbit59

 
14.04.11 12:55
wenn du eine BUNGA BUNGA Party meinst, wäre ich gerene dabei ;-).
Gruß
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Affliction:

daneben liegen

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14.04.11 13:07
@whiskyandcoke: Das mag sogar stimmen. Jedoch sollte man das etwas differenzierter betrachten. Es gibt "daneben liegen" Und "daneben liegen".

Meiner Meinung nach ist es ein grosser Unterschied, ob Leute wie Du oder Ich daneben liegen oder aber wenn uns ein "Konkursanwalt" mit einem überdurchschnittlich grossen Fach- und Sachwissen im Yahoo Board unmittelbar nach der POR-Ablehnung erzählt, dass das GSA nun endgültig tot sei und nun endlich die Zeit gekommen ist, wo JPMC & FDIC direkt mit dem EC verhandeln kann und auch wird, weil ihnen die Releases der Shareholder $ XX-Milliarden wert seien und dies mit einer für Viele überzeugenden Art. Dass das GSA seither erneut verlängert wurde, brauche ich nicht zu erwähnen, oder?

Und das war weiss Gott nicht das erste mal, wo Bopfan daneben lag. Aber lassen wir Bopfan. Wie schon erwähnt, soll sich am besten jeder selbst sein Bild machen. Nur gehört Bopfan für mich keineswegs ins Equity Committee.

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