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Schwarzwäld.:

"Wie man den letzten Postings entnehmen kann.....

14
02.04.11 12:37

ist die Wamu-Sache ja -zumindest- "quasi" ja schon fast gelaufen und die Mega-Party naht !"

Zu diesem Anlaß will ich mich jetzt offenbaren - oder wie der Schwob sagt..... o u t e n  !
In (Un-)Wahrheit bin ich nämlich Fotograf !  

Es begab sich zu der Zeit, als sich viele Aktien-Girl`s, teil`s hemmung´s - u. vereinzelt
teilhüllenlos als Neu-Wamulantinnen in dieses Abenteuer stürzten. In den Wirren der
damaligen Zeit stöberte ich sie auf und fragte sie, "lebt ihr noch - oder besteht ihr
auf ein gemeinsames Background - Gruppenfoto als Erinnerung in den Hot-Stock / Wamu-
Einstieg ? Die Begeisterung der Damen und meines Zelluloid`s war groß und so entstand
das (obere der beiden) Foto`s !

Jetzt, einige Jahre danach, kurz vor dem großen Finale - sprich Auszahlung größter Summen, setzten sich die selben Damen mit mir in Verbindung, um erneut ein Gruppen-
Abschlußfoto, -zwischenzeitlich waren einige neue Damen hinzu gekommen-, welches aus Anlaß der nun unmittelbar bevorstehenden Wamu-Mega- "Winner2011" -Party unter allen
Aktionären bzw. Ex-Illussionisten als Erinnerung an eine nervenberuhigende Zeit
-da ja jeder wußte es klappt-, verteilt werden sollten.
Man kann sagen, ein mahnender Hinweis, wie schnell doch aus hot Stripes bei zu langer
Zwischenlagerung, could Pancake`s werden können. Deshalb gibt`s jetzt bald als
-man könnte sagen- Trostpflaster bzw. Überwindungsbeihilfe unter dem Gesichtspunkt
eines sozialen Aktes, von J.P.M. die ganz große Kohle !

Alle sind somit zur Mega-Party herzlich eingeladen, es gibt unter anderem gebratenen
"(Mac)" - sorry Pit "Bull" auf chinesische Art, "Schwarzwälder" Schinken, gegrillten
"Rabbit (Jahrg.) 59" in Weinsoße, dazu einen 57-er "Pinot_Grigio" und "was-wes-ich"
noch alles ! Auch unser Freund "ercoan" aus der Türkei hat sich ebenfalls angekündigt !
Der Moderator -aus Funk, Forum und Fernsehen gut bekannt ist "Peter Lustig" !

Ps. Einen kleinen Wermutstropfen kann ich Euch leider nicht ersparen :
     Mr. Rosen ist leider wegen Schädelbruch verhindert, er wollte, so unbestätigte
     Berichte, die Pilzsuppe beim letzten Gala-Dinner von J.P.M. wohl nicht essen !
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@eigeninitiative

23
02.04.11 13:58
ich habe diesen satz gerade bei yahoo gelesen:

"Another expert, University of California law professor Lynn LoPucki, put it succinctly: "If you get a committee, and the committee gets a lawyer, you're going to get something.""

kurz übersetzt:" irgendein eierkopf (nn) hält fest: " wenn die aktionäre ein komitee bekommen, und das komitee einen anwalt, dann bekommen die aqktionäre auch etwas ..."

wenns blos so einfach wäre, grins.

ich werde dem ec und seinen anwälten vertrauen, aber das wird mich nicht hindern, selbst etwas zu unternehmen. nur für den fall der fälle, grins. schliesslich gehts hier gegen jpm, und deren schmiergeldkasse ist wahrscheinlich grösser als das budget des saarlandes.

deswegen sollten wir weiterhin auch selbst aktionen starten. für die europäischen aktionäre wären momentan zwei sachen zu beginnen. erstens sollten wir alle versuchen, unsere aktien für die abstimmung so aufzustellen, dass auch beim angenommenen korruptionsgrad in den usa (sehr hoch) der gewinn maximiert und der verlust minimiert sein sollte.

in den us foren werden da die verwandtenlössung diskutiert, sprich ein konto für jedes kind, und da von jeder aktie 10 stück rauf.
oder, zwei oder mehrere depots bei verschiedenen banken.

ich habe zwei depots bei verschiedenen banken, auf einem liegt meine kernposition, und auf dem zweiten habe ich von wahuq, wamkq, wampq, wamuq und dimeq jeweils kleine mengen, mit welchen ich abstimmen werde.
und ich halte für einen verwandten ein depot, wo ebenfalls für die abstimmung kleine mengen von wahuq, dimeq und wamkq liegen.

ausserdem würde ich mit euch gerne darüber diskutieren, ob eine registrierung von einzelnen aktien möglich und sinnvoll ist. mit registrierung meine ich, dass direkt bei wmi, oder deren beauftragten, eine anmeldung (ich würde jeweils 10 aktien von jeder sorte nehmen, grins) erfolgt, und eventuell sogar eine echte aktie zugestellt wird. damit könnte möglicherweise eine abstimmungsteilnahme direkt erfolgen, und nicht über die jeweilige bank. nichts gegen meine bank, aber wer garantiert mir, das der lagerhalter in newyork oder frankfurt meine stimme nicht verfälscht?

und, wir solten uns eine standardisierte vorbemerkung für geplante einsprüche zulegen. wgm hat sowas bei jedem einspruch und antrag vorne dabei. das wäre etwas, was wir gemeinsam erstellen könnten.

eventuell sogar in varianten, grins.

eine, wo dann drinsteht, was man von obama und seiner beihlilfe zum raub der wamu hält, und eine ohne.
eine, wo was über killingers frau drinsteht, eine ohne.
eine, wo das projekt west erwähnt wird, oder die irrwitzige forderung des finanzamtes (nur für diejenigen geeignet, die garantiert keine steuerschulden haben, grins) usw.....
"ein silber panda oder ein silber kookaburra kann die welt verbessern, grins" crasht jpm
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@nachtrag

5
02.04.11 14:00
der link zu:"Another expert, University of California law professor Lynn LoPucki, put it succinctly: "If you get a committee, and the committee gets a lawyer, you're going to get something.""

www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1292511/posts
"ein silber panda oder ein silber kookaburra kann die welt verbessern, grins" crasht jpm
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Veyron1001:

WO

 
02.04.11 14:22
bleibt die LOW-BALL-OFFER ?

Rosen schert sich einen Dreck darum!
Langsam wird es Zeit für das EC Farbe zu spielen.

Drück den Rosen aus dem Gerichtssaal raus.

Susman + Nelson muß es richten, spätestens am 2. Mai am 13. April, ist mir persönlich lieber.

AUF HOCHE KURSE IN ZUKUNFT !!!
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Pfandbrief:

Die Große Abstimmung

4
02.04.11 14:32

und auf dem zweiten habe ich von wahuq, wamkq, wampq, wamuq und dimeq jeweils kleine mengen, mit welchen ich abstimmen werde.

Mit WAMKQ und WAMPQ kannst Du gerne abstimmen, es ist nur völlig belanglos, weil

a) die Klasse sowieso ablehnen wird

b) es bei interests (also z.B. preferred equity) keine Regelung bezüglich der Köpfe gibt, und nur die Kapitalmehrheit entscheidet. Dabei werden Deine "kleinen Mengen" nichts ausmachen.

WAMUQ bekommt überhaupt kein ballot, also wirst Du damit nicht abstimmen.

DIMEQ stimmt auch nicht über den Plan ab, da der Plan Totalverlust für DIMEQ vorsieht, und die Klasse daher deemed to reject ist, wie WAMUQ. DIMEQ erteilt lediglich konditionale Releases und nimmt eine bedingte Aktien/Cash Wahl vor.

Die einzige der genannten Papiere wo die -- hm -- Idee überhaupt eine theoretische Berechtigung hat, ist WAHUQ.

Übrigens, es ist hoffentlich inzwischen klar, dass jedes Papier das abstimmt (oder Releases erteilt oder nicht erteilt) nicht mehr handelbar sein wird.

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Realstock:

wenn..

2
02.04.11 14:55

ja wenn die grosse Hausfrauen Euphorie wieder kommt werd ich aufjeden mein kapital verdoppelt rausnehmen und nen teil drinne lassen aber wie gesagt ... wenn....

 auf gute zeiten natürlich

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Andrej12683:

Als erstes Pfandbrief muss ich dir Recht geben :-(

9
02.04.11 15:57
Dass faster nur paar von Dimeq,Wahuq,pq,kq.hält und damit nur paar Sandkörnchen des Strandes besitzt.
Vergis aber nicht ich halte auch noch ein paar Wampq's und Wamuq's ;-)
Und ich bin mir sicher, dass noch ein paar uns unterstützen werden.
Und somit unsere Körnchen zur Sandburg summieren ;-)
Und wer weiss, vielleicht gehört uns bald der ganze Strand ;-)

LG und einen wunderschönen Samstag
Andrej
Nichts ist härter als das Leben, nur der Drang zum Überleben.

www.unzensiertinformiert.de
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Polytour:

Achnee, der Pfandbrief muß noch SENF abgeben!

3
02.04.11 16:02
...konnte ja nur negative sein, Ihr Habts auch schon wieder erahnt!
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Hotstockrunn.:

bei den

5
02.04.11 16:25
zu erwartenden exorbitanten gewinnen schwankt man wirklich im wunsch des dann erfüllbaren
entweder einen veyron oder eine vereinfachte rechtschreibreform(bundesratsentscheidungsabhängig(wieviele stimmen kann ich kaufen))
und um manchen unmoralischen angeboten in nichts nachzustehen
ja meine holde hat mich gebeten  mal wieder mein büro aufzuräumen
schönes restwochenende
ich bin dann vom rechner weg:-)
I really need to buy a bigger bike.
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Winner2010:

@Polytour....du meinst

7
02.04.11 17:14
"Achnee, der Pfandbrief muß noch seinen SENF abgeben.."

wie bereits hinlänglich bekannt, kocht chef de cuisine pfandbrief doch vorwiegend sein
eigenes süppchen....und das gleich an mehreren arbeitsstellen (w.o und ariva)

nur sollte unser suppenkoch irgendwann mal einen menüwechsel andenken.....

denn ständiges "boeuf ala bash" (nicht verwechseln mit boeuf stroganoff).....
schmeckt mit der zeit sehr fad und erzeugt nur noch brechreiz !!

winner
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Pfandbrief:

@andrej @poly

7
02.04.11 17:18

Vergis aber nicht ich halte auch noch ein paar Wampq's und Wamuq's ;-)
Und ich bin mir sicher, dass noch ein paar uns unterstützen werden.
Und somit unsere Körnchen zur Sandburg summieren ;-)

Wie gesagt, WAMUQ ist deemed to reject und stimmt nicht ab. Und niemand zweifelt daran, dass Ihr mit den preferred die Abstimmung "gewinnt". 92 % gegen den POR waren es letztes Mal, es wird diesmal ähnlich sein. Nur die Wahlbeteiligung wird massiv fallen, eben weil man nach der Wahl nicht mehr handeln kann.

Achnee, der Pfandbrief muß noch SENF abgeben!   konnte ja nur negative sein

Weiss jetzt nicht was daran negativ war. Es waren ein paar Tatsachenfeststellungen zum Voting. Eine Serviceleistung, mehr nicht -- man kann es alles in der DS-Order nachlesen. Wäre das Posting von Affliction oder einem der anderen Helden gleichlautend gekommen, es hätt mindestens 20 x interessant ausgefasst.

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Godssun:

@Pfandbrief

9
02.04.11 17:51
Gäääääääähnnnn!!

Du langweilst mich/uns so sehr sehr sehr sehr... ich kann gar nicht mehr auf hören "sehr" zu sagen! Bitte tu uns endlich nen gefallen und verdiene dein Geld woanders! Können wir dir vielleicht jeder 5 € überweißen und du schleichst dich dann für immer? das wäre denke ich jedem 5€ wert. (war nur ne Scherz Anfrage, nicht ernst nehmen)


VERZIEH DICH
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Feldberg58:

Report to Detail Subprime Underside

4
02.04.11 18:15
By LIZ RAPPAPORT, CARRICK MOLLENKAMP And SERENA NG

A report by a Senate subcommittee investigating the subprime implosion is likely to cast a harsh spotlight on Wall Street's mortgage machine and detail bad blood between Goldman Sachs Group Inc. and Morgan Stanley over one of the most controversial pools of bonds, according to people familiar with the report.

The Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations is expected to release the report soon, and the panel's findings are expected to include previously undisclosed emails obtained from securities firms that developed, sold or bet on subprime mortgages and financial vehicles such as collateralized debt obligations, or CDO. A CDO is an investment backed by a pool of mortgage bonds, loans or other assets.

People familiar with the matter said Goldman and Deutsche Bank AG are expected to draw much of the scrutiny in the Senate report. Both of those firms have been criticized for sometimes creating securities and selling them to one set of investors, while advising others to bet against them.

A spokesman for the German bank said it is waiting to review the report before it decides whether to comment on the conclusions. A Goldman spokesman declined to comment on the report. A Senate Permanent Subcommittee spokesman declined to comment.

In addition to a new round of public embarrassment, emails and other documents that are expected to be released by the subcommittee could expose Wall Street firms to more litigation over their behavior before and during the crisis. The report also is likely to include new facts about mortgage-related bets and losses by firms such as Morgan Stanley, according to people familiar with the situation.

Last year, Goldman Chief Executive Lloyd Blankfein and other executives at the New York company faced tough questioning from lawmakers on the subcommittee about whether Goldman placed its own interests ahead of clients. After an eight-month review, Goldman announced in January a total of 39 changes to reduce conflicts with clients and enhance its disclosures of financial information.

The coming report is likely to be much more detailed than aspects of the Senate probe that were made public last year. The panel, led by Sen. Carl Levin (D., Mich.), held hearings on the role that ratings firms and lenders such as Washington Mutual Inc. played in the financial crisis.

The report is likely to zero in on financial vehicles such as the ones Goldman created in 2006 and 2007 as it became more worried about its exposure to the U.S. housing market. The Senate subcommittee scrutinized a CDO called Hudson Mezzanine Funding 2006-1 for evidence that Goldman created pools of bonds to make large bets against the housing market aimed at shielding the firm from losses, even as it underwrote similar debt pools for clients and actively sold bullish positions in the CDOs to institutions that didn't expect the housing market to sink.

In the Hudson deal, Goldman sold credit insurance on the $2 billion CDO, meaning that if the loans backing the deal began to default, Goldman would make money. To make the deal work, though, someone else had to be on the other side of the trade. That counterparty has remained a mystery since the deal was done in the fall of 2006.

The Senate report is expected to disclose that Morgan Stanley, one of Goldman's biggest Wall Street rivals, was a large counterparty in the Hudson deal, according to people familiar with the matter. Morgan Stanley made about $1.2 billion in bullish bets on Hudson, while helping Goldman choose the bonds underpinning the deal, these people said. Morgan Stanley declined to comment.

After the housing bubble burst, the top-rated slices of the CDO were downgraded to "junk" levels, causing their value to plunge. Goldman issued margin calls to Morgan Stanley, demanding that the firm put up cash to cover its losses, people familiar with the situation said. Morgan Stanley rejected the margin calls as too high.

The dispute escalated to the highest levels of the two companies, with Goldman President Gary Cohn defending the firm's valuations, these people said. The Hudson deal was one of the bad mortgage bets that forced Morgan Stanley to record a $9 billion trading loss in 2007.

In 2008, Morgan Stanley came close to filing a lawsuit against Goldman over its role as liquidation agent in the Hudson deal, according to people familiar with the situation. The CDO was being liquidated because defaults on the bonds underpinning the CDO piled up and the deal became too damaged to pay its investors. Lawyers for Morgan Stanley drafted a suit but never filed it in court, said the people.

Morgan Stanley alleged that the Hudson agreement didn't allow Goldman to decide when to liquidate, according to a synopsis of the draft suit written by Goldman's lawyers that was reviewed by The Wall Street Journal. Morgan Stanley believed Goldman was obligated to liquidate when certain triggers were hit, the draft suit said. The draft alleged that the foot-dragging over the liquidation helped Goldman because the firm was shorting the assets in the CDO, or betting they would go sour. The delays hurt Morgan Stanley, which was betting the assets would hold their value, the draft said.

Morgan Stanley claimed it had an agreement in the deal that the Hudson liquidation would be "mechanical" and like "clockwork," the draft suit said.

A person familiar with Goldman's involvement in the deal said the firm realized it was in a potentially conflicted role as both liquidation agent and holder of the largest negative bet on Hudson. Goldman tried to offer the job of liquidator to another firm, as it did for four other CDOs, this person said. But Morgan Stanley rejected the idea because of the time needed for a new agent to liquidate the CDO, the person said.

Goldman's lawyers believed that the draft lawsuit by Morgan Stanley had no merit because no other Hudson investors objected to the liquidation, according to the synopsis. Goldman also claimed that the Hudson documents gave Goldman the power to use its discretion when liquidating the CDO, including a 12-month period to do so, according to the synopsis.

Executives at Goldman have said numerous times, including at last year's hearing by the Senate subcommittee, that the firm made deals like Hudson in order to bet against the housing market after the firm decided it had too many bullish bets on housing.

Goldman's mortgage division lost $1.2 billion in the two worst years of the crisis, 2007 and 2008, according to the company.

online.wsj.com/article/....html?mod=rss_whats_news_us_business
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Schwarzwäld.:

@ Veyron1001 - 129699 v. 2.04.11.

18
02.04.11 18:48
Hallo Veyron1001,

ob die 30-33 Mrd. $ letztendlich tatsächlich "ziehen" -im Sinne von auch durchgesetzt- werden, muß, denke ich, schon bezweifelt werden ! Sicher ist dieser Bewertung ein wichtiger Baustein eines möglichen Erfolges etwas aus den Jung`s heraus zu holen, ich vermute `mal, es ist sogar ein notwendiger Meilenstein auf dem Weg zu überhaupt "einem" endgültigen, größeren oder kleineren Erfolg, vielleicht sollte man auch besser sagen Durchbruch !

Grundsätzlich -zu Ihrer Aussage-, vermute ich `mal eher, daß man sich irgendwo zwischen den 6,8 und den 33 Mrd. $ in sehr zähen Auseinandersetzungen in vielen Sitzungen über die Bewertungsmaßstäbe und somit über die entsprechenden Werte verständigen wird, denn Rosen wird die gegnerischen Argumente -in welcher Form auch immer diese vorgebracht werden-, Doc`s, Papiere, Gutachten oder sonst. Belege welchen dann ja eine deutlich andere Bewertung als seine eigene zugrunde liegt, schon aus Prinzip nicht so einfach anerkennen (denn das ist ja u.a. auch seine Aufgabe, Teil seines Mandates) und damit erneuten Einspruch -wenn auch nur zunächst nur proforma-, gegen eine aus seiner Minimalperspektive überhöhtem Bewertungsergebnis, einlegen.
Diese Vorgehensweise würde dann wieder erneut eine weitere Verzögerung des
Abschlusses der Sache und für Rosen erneuten Zeitgewinn -ganz im Sinne seiner üblichen
Taktik-, bedeuten.
Grundsätzlich bin ich jedoch der Ansicht, daß es sich so langsam herausschält, daß auf

jeden Fall   e t w a s   an alle Klassen -vielleicht auch nach dem Wasserfallprinzip oben mehr unten prozentual weniger-, bezahlt werden wird (J.M.W. hatte ja wohl schon mehrfach betont, daß  a l l e  etwas bekommen sollen - vielleicht auch aus dem Kalkül heraus daß hernach niemand mehr klagt) und mit der Assetliste liegen doch an sich schon genügend offensichtliche Angriffspunkte vor, im weiteren natürlich auch durch die Bewertungskontroversen welche, -und da bin ich mir sicher-, noch für genügend Zündstoff
sorgen werden und im weiteren noch zu einigen brisanten Auseinandersetzungen zwischen den Parteien führen werden. Unterstützt wird diese Theorie dadurch, daß Mr. Rosen ja schon allein durch das Zugeben von, aus seiner Sicht 6,8 Mrd. $ an seinerzeit übernommenen Vermögenswerten J.M.W. zu verstehen gab, daß J.P.M. zum Zeitpunkt der Übernahme extrem wenig, d.h. nur einen Bruchteil des realen, tatsächlich zu veranschlagenden Wertes der W.M. bezahlt hatte und damit Nachforderungen einen rechtfertigenden, legitimen Nährboden bzw. Charakter gegeben.

Wie immer nur meine unmaßgebliche Meinung !

Frdl. Grüße an alle und noch schönes Rest - WE.,
Schwarzwälder
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maverick40:

All

6
02.04.11 20:55
Gebt Pfandgedöne ein witzig.
Er hat es sich verdient.
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jopel:

am 14.04.

13
02.04.11 21:02
sind alle positiv gestimmten eingeladen:ich bin dann 25 Jahre Landarzt in einem Land nördlich der Elbe ,in einem Dorf 33 km von Hamburg und 33 km von Lübeck, ich bin gleichzeitig Mirakulix, Obelix (192 cm, 114 kg Lebendgewicht), und Troubadix ( Vorsänger Gorch Fock 1964), und.. Susman siegt für uns.
In der Ruhe liegt die Kraft.
jopel
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Polytour:

Jopel Du hast recht, liebe Grüße!

 
02.04.11 21:11
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Memory193:

Nabend Jopel.....

2
02.04.11 21:41
....die Adresse für den 14.04. wäre nicht schlecht..........:-)
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Memory193:

maverick.....Posting 129717

3
02.04.11 21:43
....ich finde eher, das er wegbleiben und uns nicht mehr nerven soll......
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MacBull:

Hallo Jungs, bleibt doch mal alle cool!! Ich gehe

21
02.04.11 22:38
mal davon aus, dass ihr alle ein vernünftiges Finanzmangement betreibt!! Dann kann es euch doch egal sein, dass ihr hier vielleicht ein wenig Kohle ggf. in den Sand setzt, isch doch richtig oder ?

Was ein Herr PF schreibt ist doch völlig egal, entweder habt ihr KLONKS in der Hose oder ihr kauft Pfandbriefe!!!

Fakt ist doch, das durch den Verkauf von Wamu nicht alles ganz koscher verlaufen ist und sich nun die Käufer und Verkäufer sich streuben das anzuerkennen und sich auf "Teufel komm raus" wehren....

Ist ja auch verständlich, würde ich auch an deren Stelle tun!!

Und wie die Gegenseite tickt, lesen wir doch alle wundervoll aus den Postings von Herrn PF!! Lassen wir ihn doch und UNITED kann entsprechend agieren!!

Allen ein schönes WE

und

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

MacBull
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Teras:

FDIC - Die angekündigte Verklagung...

14
03.04.11 00:20
Die vollmundig angekündigte Verklagung dreier WaMu-Execs durch die FDIC könnte diese Institution auf etwas größeren Abstand zu ihrer Lieblings-Bank JPMorgan CHASE & Co. zwingen. - Dieser Eindruck jeden Falles beschleicht mich, wenn ich mir die Kurz-Bio des Stephen ROTELLA anschaue, der von Bloomberg's "Businessweek" allerdings nicht unter WMI oder WaMu, sondern unter "Waste Management" aufgeführt wird:

BACKGROUND:

"Mr. Stephen J. Rotella served as President of Chase Manhattan Mortgage Corporation. Mr. Rotella served as Chief Executive Officer of Chase Home Finance, LLC and Executive Vice President of JP Morgan Chase since 2001. He served as the Chief Operating Officer and President of Washington Mutual Inc. from January 10, 2005 to October 2008. He served as the President of Retail Banking at Washington Mutual Inc. from June 2008 to October 2008. Mr. Rotella was responsible for ... oversight of the retail, commercial and mortgage lines of business as well as Washington Mutual Inc.'s technology group and day-to-day administration. He was also responsible for JP Morgan Chase's Community Development Group. He served as an Acting Head of Home Loans Division of Washington Mutual Inc. from March 2005 to June 2005. He served as Chief Operating Officer of Chase Home Finance from 1998 to 2001. Mr. Rotella served as Head of Chase Home Finance of JPMorgan Chase & Co. since July 16, 2003. He served as an Executive Vice President of Servicing at Chase Manhattan Mortgage Company from 1991 to 1998. He held various positions with Chase's mortgage business including Senior Vice President of Marketing, Finance and Product Development from 1987 to 1991. Prior to joining Chase, he worked in the retail brokerage, mutual fund, and systems consulting industries. He served as president of the Consumer Mortgage Coalition. He served as Chair and Director of a large regional arts company in Columbus, Ohio called BalletMet. He serves as Chair of Chase's Housing Advisory Council, which focuses on increasing lending to underserved communities and a Member of the Board of Directors of the Mortgage Bankers Association. He served as Member of Consumer Mortgage Coalition. Mr. Rotella attended State University of New York in Stony Brook, and received his Bachelor's degree in Economics in 1975. He earned his MBA in Finance and Information Systems from State University of New York in Albany in 1978".

SOURCE / LINK / QUELLE  dieses "Background's":
investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/...amp;ticker=WM:US
Gold kauft den Wagen; Silber füttert die Pferde & füllt Dir den Tank.
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Digital-Tiger:

...OTS-Fact Sheet on WMB 25.09.08...

7
03.04.11 00:27
...30.June 2008: total assets     $307 bln
                         total deposits  $188 bln...

files.ots.treas.gov/73002.pdf

...falls schon gepostet, sorry - oder war das vielleicht doch meine Absicht ?  ;-)

Gruss an WAMUaner
DigiTig
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Feldberg58:

WaMu suit may be tough to prove

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03.04.11 08:00
Accusing the top executives of Washington Mutual of gross negligence in the nation's largest bank failure undoubtedly plays well among the many people hurt by its collapse.

But the lawsuit filed last month by federal regulators against former WaMu Chief Executive Officer Kerry Killinger and two of his lieutenants could face a long, difficult slog in court, some attorneys say.

"There are a lot of scalp-hunters in the public that would like to see these three from WaMu get skinned," said Jeffrey Tisdale, a Los Angeles lawyer defending executives of another failed bank who face a Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. (FDIC) negligence claim.

He counters that "it's not like the regulators didn't know what kinds of loans were being made ... I think the FDIC has got problems with its case."

But a former FDIC lawyer says he's heard the blame-it-on-lax-regulators argument before.

"That defense has been shot down many times," said retired FDIC deputy counsel Jack Smith, who oversaw the agency's lawsuits in the 1980s and '90s against executives at failed savings-and-loans. "You can't blame the policeman for not stopping you."

Regulators seized WaMu's banking operations in September 2008 and sold its assets to JPMorgan Chase for $1.9 billion. Shareholders were wiped out, and thousands of WaMu employees were laid off.

The FDIC says WaMu's failure and sale came at no cost to its deposit-insurance fund. But as receiver for the failed bank, the agency is entitled to sue the former directors and officers if it believes WaMu was harmed by their actions. Moneys recovered would help settle claims by the bank's creditors.

Unlike the shareholders and others who've sued WaMu and its former management, the FDIC has the benefit of deep pockets and access to all of WaMu's records.

"You find smoking guns oftentimes, and they improve your case," said Smith, who teaches at George Washington University's law school.

Kevin LaCroix, an Ohio attorney who tracks such lawsuits on his "D&O Diary" blog, said the FDIC will have to show the executives failed to exercise "appropriate care" in their duties.

"Did (the WaMu executives) see a housing bubble?" LaCroix asked. In pursuit of profits, "did they drive through a stoplight, or even a yellow light?"

The FDIC says the executives did. Its 63-page lawsuit, filed March 16 in federal court in Seattle, is the highest-profile case filed so far by the agency against former bank officers and directors following the recent financial crisis.

Washington Mutual is the biggest of the roughly 350 banks that have failed since 2008. The FDIC has said it plans to sue 158 former directors and officers and seek at least $3.57 billion in damages. The FDIC has sent letters to them demanding they pay millions of dollars to satisfy negligence claims — or face litigation. It has filed only six lawsuits so far.
We're all sitting here, waiting," Tisdale said.

None of the six lawsuits has been tried or settled. Kirby Behre, a Washington, D.C., attorney who represents sued executives, says the new wave of FDIC negligence lawsuits against directors of failed banks will be tough to prove.

"They (the FDIC) are on very, very thin ice," he said. "Nobody, not even the Fed or Treasury, in any way predicted a cataclysmic event as we saw a few years ago."

Although both sides in the WaMu lawsuits have staked out aggressive positions, outside attorneys from all perspectives agree the vast majority of such cases are settled before going to trial.

One unique aspect of the WaMu suit: It's the only one in the new crop of lawsuits where the FDIC asked to freeze executives' personal assets — those of Killinger and Stephen Rotella, WaMu's former chief operating officer.

The agency alleges they tried to "hinder, delay or defraud" their creditors by transferring money and property to their wives and into irrevocable trusts.

"That's grotesquely misleading and grotesquely unfair," said Barry Ostrager, a New York attorney who represents Rotella. Ostrager called the asset transfers "ordinary family planning."

Naming the two wives makes the case "more sensational" but "is not something one expects a government agency acting responsibly to do," he added.

Reckless conduct alleged

The complaint filed by the FDIC casts Killinger as a greedy banker who ignored risks he was well aware of, instead catering to Wall Street's expectations for rapid growth. Rotella and David Schneider, former chief of WaMu's home-loans division, are portrayed as subordinates enthusiastically carrying out the architect's plans.

The suit says they "gambled billions of dollars" and pursued a high-volume lending strategy that rewarded them financially, but they disregarded warnings by regulators and internal risk officers.

The FDIC cites internal correspondence that indicates Killinger saw the housing bubble years before the collapse.

In a March 2005 email to WaMu's top risk officer, Killinger wrote, "I have never seen such a high risk housing market as market after market thinks they are unique and for whatever reason are not likely to experience price declines. This typically signifies a bubble."

Yet instead of pulling back from riskier loans, Killinger advocated the bank take on even more credit risk, according to the suit.

The executives ignored guidance from federal regulators as early as 2005 about managing inherently risky loan products such as option ARMs (adjustable-rate mortgages initially offering low minimum payments) and other nontraditional loans, the FDIC alleges.

Regulators told banks that made nontraditional loans to avoid piling on more risk with stated-income or low-documentation loans, loans to borrowers with high debt-to-income ratios, and loans to speculators and second-home buyers with little equity in the property, according to the lawsuit.

But Rotella, who was aware of the bank's increasing exposure to such loans, chose to strip the bank's central risk-management group of its independence and neglected to fix known weaknesses in the bank's technology for monitoring credit risks and fraud, the FDIC alleges.

WaMu's top risk officer told superiors the level of high-risk loans in its portfolio was worrisome: "A severe 'twin shock' of sustained housing price decline and rising interest rates could cause a 3x increase in mortgage charge-offs," he wrote in a report cited in the lawsuit.

Killinger nonetheless said he wanted the bank to pursue more such loans with "good underwriting and monitoring processes and controls" — partly because Wall Street rewarded companies taking on greater credit risk, the FDIC lawsuit alleges.

By the end of 2006, nonperforming loans in WaMu's subprime-mortgage portfolio had nearly quadrupled compared with a year earlier, the lawsuit alleges.

Still, it claims, in early 2007 Schneider asked his national subprime production manager how soon WaMu could "double" its subprime-loan business.

Even as the executives recognized the run-up in home values was unsustainable, WaMu wrote $42 billion in new option ARMs in 2006 and $24 billion in 2007, the FDIC says.

By September 2008, the FDIC says, WaMu carried more than $51 billion in option ARMs, accounting for nearly half its prime single-family loan portfolio.

Defense pokes holes

Defense attorneys for the former executives say the FDIC is attacking them with the benefit of hindsight.

"The reality is, all (three) worked to significantly reduce Washington Mutual's exposure," said Ostrager, the attorney for Rotella and Schneider. According to Rotella, WaMu sharply cut back on writing option-ARM loans after 2005.

In a statement, Killinger said WaMu's loan portfolio "reflected a proper and good-faith business judgment balance between continued U.S. government initiatives to extend mortgage loans to the underserved, while at the same time preserving the safety and soundness of the Bank."

His attorneys did not respond to requests for comment. The three executives have not formally answered the lawsuit in court yet.

Defense attorney Ostrager said the federal watchdog agencies — including WaMu's primary regulator, the Office of Thrift Supervision (OTS) — may have issued some warnings, but they didn't take enforcement actions against WaMu until it was too late.

"If what the individuals were doing was grossly negligent, why didn't anyone at OTS or FDIC say anything in 2005, 2006, 2007 or 2008 when they were on the premises?" Ostrager asked. "I think it's a showstopper," he said.

Indeed, a subsequent report from the FDIC's inspector general concluded that while OTS examiners "identified numerous concerns with WaMu's high-risk lending strategy," the regulator's headquarters rated the bank satisfactory "until WaMu began encountering significant financial losses in 2008."

Following criticism it was too cozy with the troubled financial institutions it was overseeing, the OTS was abolished and folded into another agency under last year's Dodd-Frank financial-reform legislation.

Tisdale said that could play to the defendants' advantage before a jury.

OTS "was parked in WaMu's headquarters all along. If they thought these option ARMs were risky and doomed for failure, they should have said something," he said.

Personal assets sought

In discussions before filing the lawsuit, the FDIC sought more than $900 million from Killinger and the other two former executives, according to a person familiar with the matter. The lawsuit doesn't specify the damages sought.

Behre, who is defending two former officers of IndyMac Bank, says individuals sued by the FDIC rarely have pockets deep enough to pay what the agency seeks in damages.

"All of these cases are filed against individuals for one reason, and that is to access insurance money," Behre said. "These individuals become pawns in a larger game of getting access to insurance coverage when the bank that has failed and is in trouble has no assets."

But especially in the WaMu case, any potential insurance proceeds are being eroded by legal defense costs in multiple lawsuits, including shareholder class-action suits.

"I don't think there's any chance" WaMu had $900 million in liability insurance for directors and officers, said attorney and blogger LaCroix, who runs Oakbridge Insurance Services, a specialty insurance broker. The federal government recovered $4.5 billion from 1990 to 1995 from claims connected to the savings-and-loan crisis. About $1.3 billion came from claims against former bank directors and officers, according to the FDIC.

Even if the FDIC recovers only a fraction of the alleged losses at banks in the recent financial collapse, retired FDIC attorney Smith said its lawsuit also reminds all bankers the agency can hold them accountable.

"Everybody who takes on a job as a director needs to take it seriously," he said. "I think a lot of them didn't."

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03.04.11 09:08
I think that shareholders do not realize that just because they believe they found one avenue of attack that there might be either a fact or law that negates taking that route which is the reason you may not be seeing the ec join in and take that route. For example, there is the contention that FICA corporate is being released without contributing compensation for those releases ...which is against Walrath's view. So say shareholders are victorious and have FICA corporate removed from the releases. It may not matter, because there is a whole area of the law which involves the question of whether the written release of one joint tortfeasor also releases the remaining joint tortfeasors. So the law could operate to release FICA corporate anyway , although not a named party in the release. I haven't researched the issue to the facts at hand, so I do not know the answer in this specific instance. But I am using it as an example to show that an issue cannot be looked at with horse blinders on. Other things have to be considered which might make something look like a sure thing not be so certain at all. My thinking about no valuation evidence at the first hearing by ec, is simply this. They thought they could defeat that por without it, and technically they did. In the meantime they kept their valuation information secret so they could go about getting interested buyers or capital , so they could create a workable alternative por. The senior note holders have to be paid off someway or another , before the litigation against fdic and jpm could ever continue imho. JMHO. I think silence means settlement is near.
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OK Mordicai … since you let the cat out of the bag by saying: “In the meantime [SG] kept their valuation information secret so they could go about getting interested buyers or capital, so they could create a workable alternative por. The senior note holders have to be paid off someway or another , before the litigation against fdic and jpm could ever continue imho” … I dug into my archives to find a very interesting post from a wonderful contributor, Patience360, who wrote, on this very board, way back on December 27th, the following:

"NOLs, EC Knows It Fully Well pt. 1 27-Dec-10 05:05 pm
There is something people on this board largely ignored or paid no attention to. There is a little “secret” I was hesitate to tell before. When I wrote the post “Trial!!!” (11/30) in which the first half of the post was based on Susman October billing statement, I left out one little intriguing item from the billing on purpose. I noticed people who read the billing made no mention of that “item” at all, which made me quite perplexed at the time.

To call it a “little secret” is a stretch. It’s in the open and on the record. On Susman October billing statement, there is a line item dated on October 20th, recording Mr. Seth Ard had a 90 minutes conversation with A. Sole regarding “marketing reorganized company” (SS Oct. Billing Statement, pdf. p. 25). Above the line item, there is another line item “reviewing latest plan and settlement”. It’s clear the “latest plan” was referred to POR v.6; and since the “settlement” can mean many things and we got burnt by speculating on its meaning so many times before, we can toss it aside in this discussion. However, “marketing reorganized company”, what’s that about? If, per the GSA/POR, all equities are supposed to be cancelled and will have no role in the reorganized WMI, so why equity attorneys took hours to even talk about “marketing” the reorganized company among themselves? Besides, EC legal counsel is not the debtors’ marketing consultant after all.
The reason that I didn’t raise the issue earlier was I didn’t want to get people hyped up unnecessarily and for the wrong reasons (regarding our prospects in WMRRC) but only have our hope crashed if things do not turn out our way later. More importantly, I needed to see further evidence to clarify or re-enforce my thinking. Of course, I could be totally wrong in my reading so I remained salient on the information. Even now, I still urge caution against reading too much into the information other than a routine event of discussing the debtors’ marketing plan among our lawyers in order to better understand the value of reorganized company. In a fuller context we are now aware of, it’s most likely that (Ard-Sole) discussion was about the likelihood of “marketing (or perhaps selling) reorganized company” (no matter who owns it) for valuation purpose, and its potential implication to the overall case.

No matter what, I think EC has laid its eyes on reorganized WMI long ago, and knows the inner workings of NOL tax attributes and their potential values all along. Both PJS and EC Chairman Mr. Willingham are forensic accountants. They had cooperated in Mirant and other bankruptcy cases in the past. They understand, in my view, the most valuable asset of reorganized WMI will be its tax attributes that can yield a potentially astonishing amount of future tax benefits. There is no way for professionals like PJS, Willingham, and EC legal experts to overlook the potential tax benefits of NOL carry forwards. I think they knew this issue fully well even before debtors’ motion to abandon and Tricadia motions."

I tip my hat you (again) Mordicai ... and especially to Patience360, who may have well written the single greatest post in the entire history of iHub. IMO: This is the route that SG has taken. And this is why everyone has been stunned into respectful silence.

So, who's the buyer? Can you say Black Horse?
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