in class18?
oder ist MARTA da der einzige claim ...(?)
danke für aufklärung
/paketix
oder ist MARTA da der einzige claim ...(?)
danke für aufklärung
/paketix
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Ich denke der Martha Claim ist Geschichte
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Rosen meint das die MBSler sich entschieden haetten ihren Anspruch eher in der Consolidierten Class Action vorm District Court durchzusetzten , als in unserem Fall.
( Und da gab es vor ein paar Monaten ein Settlement, das war im unteren 2stelligen ( 17 Millionen ?)Millionenbereich, also sehr viel weniger als die geforderten 435 Millionen, war )
Das war jetzt alles recht grob beschrieben , und Ich hoffe Ich habe das halbwegs richtig wiedergegeben. Korrekturen und Erweiterungen waeren erwuenscht.
Hallo,
nun ja, der fett unterstrichene Satz ist Deine persönliche Meinung, die sich meines Wissens nach jedoch nicht mit der Realität deckt. Ich möchte das Thema nicht "totreiten" und denke ohnehin, dass der Claim wenn überhaupt nur Chancen auf ein Settlement im geringeren Millionen-Bereich hat, aber in dem von Dir verlinkten Doc sagt Rosen selbst:
"...and every dollar that the MBS Plaintiffs might recover in the Consolidated Class Action will reduce the Amended MBS Claim asserted against the Debtors..."
Wenn also eine etwaige Recovery in der Class Action (es wurde am Ende für 26 Mio. $ gesettelt, davon gingen aber schlappe 8,5 Mio. $ an die Anwälte, weshalb Du mit 17 Mio. $ schon ziemlich richtig lagst) den MBS Claim gegen WMILT nur REDUZIERT, bedeutet das ja im Umkehrschluss, dass der Claim weiterhin existiert, oder...?
Dass diese Überlegung m.E. korrekt ist, kannst Du im Settlement-Agreement nachlesen, in dem der MBS Claim vor Walraths Court von den released Claims der Class Action am District Court EXPLIZIT AUSGENOMMEN wurde (Seite 8 des folgenden Docs): assets.bizjournals.com/seattle/WaMUmortgagebackedsecuritiessettlment.pdf
Schöne Grüße und viel Spaß beim Lesen,
staylong
p.s. Wir sollten uns hier nicht so viel über die ungelegten "MBS-Eier" unterhalten. Diese Diskussion können wir weiterführen, wenn die Piers ausbezahlt worden sind, vorher machts keinen Sinn... ;-)
welche claims gibt es noch nebst MARTA
in class18?
oder ist MARTA da der einzige claim ...(?)
danke für aufklärung
/paketix
Ich kann Dir die Frage "beantworten", was aber wenig hilft, denn die Höhe der Claims ist nach wie vor unbekannt. Ich zitiere aus dem DS (nicht erschrecken, die "Chicago-Gauner" tauchen natürlich auch wieder auf, lol):
"...Thus, pursuant to the Seventh Amended Plan, all Allowed Subordinated Claims must be satisfied in full prior to redistribution of Liquidating Trust Interests to holders of Equity Interests. The ultimate amount in which Subordinated Claims in Class 18 will be allowed is unknown and any estimate at the current time would be highly speculative. Claims that are or potentially will be classified in Class 18 include, among others, the following: Certain Claims filed by holders of WMB Notes. For example, pursuant to the Motion of Debtors for an Order Pursuant to Section 105(a) of the Bankruptcy Code and Bankruptcy Rule 9019, Approving Stipulation and Agreement by and Among the Debtors and the G&E Group, dated December 28, 2011 [D.I. 9279], the Debtors seek approval of a stipulation with certain holders of Misrepresentation Claims related to WMB Notes pursuant to which the Debtors have agreed that such holders will be deemed to hold Allowed Subordinated Claims in the amount of $15 million.
(See Section V.B.5.g hereof.) The hearing on said motion is scheduled for January 19, 2012. Certain additional Claims either are or could be classified in Class 18, but are disputed on the basis of, among other things, validity, amount, and/or appropriate classification. For example, pursuant to that certain Stipulation Resolving Debtors’ Amended Thirty-Second Omnibus (Substantive) Objection With Respect to Claim Nos. 3812 and 2689 [D.I. 6068], dated November 23, 2010, by and among, among others, the Debtors and the Policeman’s Annuity and Benefit Fund of the City of Chicago
(defined in Section V.B.6.g below as “Chicago PABF”) and Doral Bank Puerto Rico (defined below as “Doral Bank”), as lead plaintiffs, on behalf of a putative class, in the consolidated putative securities class action entitled Boilermakers National Annuity Trust Fund v. WAMU Mortgage Pass Through Certificates Series ARI, Case No. 09-0037 (MJP) (the “Boilermakers Plaintiffs”), the parties thereto agreed that certain Claims filed by and on behalf of the Boilermakers Plaintiffs would be withdrawn, without prejudice to the re-filing of such Claims in the event that a plan was filed that would provide recovery to holders of Allowed Subordinated Claims. Certain Boilermaker Plaintiffs argue that they are now permitted to refile their Claims because the Seventh Amended Plan provides for a conditional distribution to holders of Allowed Subordinated Claims. In the Boilermaker Plaintiffs’ objection to this Disclosure Statement [D.I. 9316], filed January 4, 2012, the Boilermaker Plaintiffs asserted that they are entitled to re-file their Claims as General Unsecured Claims rather than as Subordinated Claims. In said objection, the Boilermaker Plaintiffs argue that their proposed re-filed claim, if allowed, “will be in the hundreds of millions of dollars.” In addition, certain directors and officers filed indemnification Claims against the Debtors that the Debtors have objected to, arguing that such Claims should be disallowed and, in the alternative subordinated to Class 18. (See Debtors’ Sixtieth Omnibus Objection (Substantive) to Claims (Claim Nos. 2108, 2240, 2241, 2246, 2247, 2248, 2604, 2606, 2631, 2633, 2634, 2635, 2636, 2637, and 3242) [D.I. 5970], dated November 17, 2010.) In the context of the Estimation Motion (defined and discussed in Section V.B.5.h hereof), pursuant to which the Debtors have asserted that $0 should be reserved for said director and officer indemnification Claims, certain director and officer claimants have argued that at least $100 million must be reserved for such claims. In addition, the Creditors’ Committee has filed a motion [D.I. 9301], in which the Debtors have joined [D.I. 9302], requesting that the Bankruptcy Court alter or amend its December 20, 2011 opinion and order, discussed in Section V.B.6.k hereof, ruling that the Debtors have not stated a basis for subordination of the Claim filed by Tranquility (defined below), which Claim was filed in the amount of approximately $49.6 million. In addition, pursuant to the Order Approving Stipulation Between Claimants Credit Suisse Securities (USA) LLC, Goldman, Sachs & Co., and Morgan Stanley & Co., Inc., and the Debtors Resolving the Twenty-Ninth Omnibus Substantive Objection to Claims Pursuant to Section 510(b) of the Bankruptcy Code [D.I. 6687], dated February 4, 2011, the Bankruptcy Court approved a stipulation pursuant to which the Debtors agreed that certain underwriters’ Claims are classified in Class 18 as Subordinated Claims, but reserved the right to object to such Claims..."
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