weiter zum Escrow Thema von User Kinged / Boarddork:
Zitat boarddork:
I personally wouldn't want them to speculate publicly on anything until all claimants are outta the way or claim reserves set aside with a court approved maximum limit. And ultimately, there is no real number to hang your hat on until the FDIC's calculator hits the = button.
If MW or the SG crew is ever hanging out downtown Seattle with some free time, I'd love a cocktail chat off-the-record, on the house. Just drinks and talk shop. The game played by all was 1000% brilliant! I feel so Fricken lucky to have a small piece of it.
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Zitat kinged:
I sent you a PM. Yes, it makes sense to keep your mouth shut until everything else is resolved. Even then, it may never be discussed and we will only see things taking form in the way of transactions.
If all this goes down the way AZ, you and some others see it, this could mean serious money for WMI-LT equity interests. In addition, I will feel terrible for some of those that I told to invest here that sold just prior to emergence and are holding no LTIs or WMIH stock and may have missed out on what could turn into an incredible return.
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Zitat Scott Fox:
I agree. Although we all would like some numbers for our sanity's sake I like the fact that our leaders are tight-lipped. We get info when it's needed. No reason to screw things up so close to the end after all of this time. Won't be long now. German chocolate cake OK?
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Zitat tdmd99:
Glad to see your change of heart and mind. Now as for your question. If WMI-LT were the only entity involved, it wouldn't matter and assets can be discussed. After all, escrow shares are signed, sealed and delivered...no trading. However, if you discuss assets when other entities BESIDES WMI-LT are involved, especially entities that trade on a market....well that's material information right which amounts to INSIDER trading right? Pretty hard to put up walls when you're chairman of the board and sitting on the LT too right? That's why MW's lips are tightly sealed. (ask AAOC, they weren't so good at putting up walls). The connection is there, just a matter of taking advantage of it. KKR and CITI are betting $600 million+ not on WMIH, or its NOLs, despite what anyone else says.
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Zitat dixdeau:
I hope that you are removing assets from your projections which need to be liquidated to meet FDIC-R's responsibilities to creditors superior to escrows.
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Zitat kinged:
Well, I am definitely not sure who may be superior to the escrows within the WMI-LT which represents the estate. WMB bondholders likely have a claim to the $1.9b payment by JPM. Beyond that, I am not sure. If assets are deemed to be outside the reach of BK claimants and end up with the estate (that is, the WMI estate after BK emergence), it may be that these assets are outside the reach of WMB bondholders. The only creditors that remain may be those within the payout matrix which is going to be a minor amount before reaching equity.
If there are even only $40b in mortgage value held in portfolio that are still left from the seizure, where will it go if JPM did not get it (as many of us believe now.) It sure looks like it comes back to the estate. What about the rest of those mortgages that may have been paid off, foreclosed upon, refinanced, etc. Even if you call the rest even with no available cash, you are still talking about $40 BILLION. This $40b could be $50b in total mortgages outstanding with $10b paid and $40b still owed on those loans.
Assuming limited liquidity, the fair value of those mortgages could be $30b (that is only 75% recovery rate on the balance of those loans.) This could mean that WMIH issues notes to WMI-LT for $30b taking possession of assets that could be worth as much as $40b. Plus, WMIH will be collecting interest on those loans as they mature. Just taking this one example, WMI-LT escrows will likely get $30b over time from WMIH as the loans are converted to cash and WMIH itself stands to gain as much as $10b on the remainder plus interest.
In this "too good to be true" example, WMI-LT interests are looking at an unbelievable return. This would amount to something like $3000 per P preferred share if my numbers are correct. 1000 P shares gets $3mm over time. 5000 P shares gets $15mm over time. WMIH could end up with $5-10b just from this one transaction to handle these mortgages. Even with 600mm shares outstanding, that is over $8 per share not considering WMIH operations otherwise.
I am having a difficult time processing this like many others. Where are all those WMI mortgages held in portfolio. If JPM did not "purchase" the actual mortgages, then they must be with FDIC-R. Since we know that the mortgage industry recovered significantly and we have seen it first hand in WMMRC's performance as a reinsurer, we can be sure that this bundle of mortgages are worth quite a bit. Can WMB bondholders lay claim to any value from these mortgages? Remains to be seen. If these mortgages are with FDIC-R as many of us suspect, then they must be returned to the estate in some way. If the FDIC-R cannot liquidate them, then I am sure WMI-LT will gladly take them and shift them to WMIH in some kind of transaction that benefits both. Enter KKR and others to provide liquidity to support these mortgages within WMIH and the expertise necessary to take WMIH to another level.
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Zitat dixdeau:
Claims that WMI as a creditor had on WMB were settled with FDIC in the GSA/POR 7. What is left are claims by WMI's successor based on stock ownership. The FDIC-R protocol is clear that such claims are last in line.
JPMC either took on the FHLB debt (with all other liabilities on the books at the time of seizure and not excluded by amendment to the PA&A) or they did not. If JPMC took on the liability then they took the collateral covering that liability. If JPMC did not take on the liability FDIC-R would be foolish to place themselves in a position of having to pay $XX billions to FHLB and others from FDIC's own reserves. If FDIC-R has the debt then FDIC-R has the collateral.
Which ever way the non securitized mortgages are parsed there were more than enough assets in the subsidiaries to cover FDIC-R's other obligations with a large surplus for escrows.
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Zitat boarddork:
Someone forwarded this to me a while back.......I won't mention who unless they want to contribute.
JPM consolidated financials from 2013. Page 127, first paragraph.
www.jpmorgan.com/cm/BlobServer/...ta&blobtable=MungoBlobs
In addition, from 2005 to 2008, Washington Mutual made
certain loan level representations and warranties in
connection with approximately $165 billion of residential
mortgage loans that were originally sold or deposited into
private-label securitizations by Washington Mutual. Of the
$165 billion, approximately $75 billion has been repaid. In
addition, approximately $47 billion of the principal amount
of such loans has liquidated with an average loss severity of
59%. Accordingly, the remaining outstanding principal
balance of these loans as of December 31, 2013, was
approximately $43 billion, of which $10 billion was 60 days
or more past due. JPMorgan Chase believes that any
repurchase obligations related to these loans remain with
the FDIC receivership.
Why? because they are only the 'Servicer'? Noone escapes $10b of repurchase obligations when they gain $165b of mortgage notes. The only other option is if this $165b is the total of the 'securitized' mortgage portfolio that JPM is servicing. Either way JPM never became successor in interest according to line 13. of the DOJ/JPM Settlement Agreement
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This is indeed interesting stuff...my thoughts in blue.
Keeping in mind: we have always had rights to WMB "assets" within the WMB "Asset" shells sold to JPM in the PA&A Section 3.1 "Assets" vs "assets". Whole bank is not the whole $320B company. Also notable, is that the $1.9b JPM paid in 2008, is about 1% of the banking deposits, which seems par for these type of purchases. I think JPM just bought the bank, anything else (mortgages, etc) they gotta pay book value for or leave with FDIC-R.
"In addition, from 2005 to 2008, Washington Mutual made certain loan level representations and warranties in connection with approximately $165 billion of residential mortgage loans that were originally sold or deposited into private-label securitizations by Washington Mutual. DD Washington Mutual Bank FA - There are some interesting theories that loans originated by WMBfa, which might be the majority of them, stayed with the bank and were never sold - the buyer of the security knew this and was just receiving a % of the shared income on the loan.Of the $165 billion I posted a link months ago from U.W. business school analyzing WMI 's 2007 books. According to this there was actually $240 Billion in "mortgages held in portfolio" (and of this $25B was packaged but unsold and sitting in WMI before the receivership), so even if $165B complete were "sold" (what if a large % were just deposited in WMBfa as mentioned above, hmmm), where's the remaining $80B? Is JPM not mentioning it here because that $80B in mortgages weren't sold to JPM? as they were assets of WMI Assets not sold to JPM per section 3.1 of the PA&A?, approximately $75 billion has been repaid WMI had about $80B in Freddie Fannie super liens that the govt has to collect on, so if this amount is repaid, maybe proceeds owed back to the originator, are then repaid against the lein against WMI for what it earlier borrowed. If true, this is a good thing to get them and other creditors outta the way . In addition, approximately $47 billion of the principal amount of such loans has liquidated with an average loss severity of 59% (so this $47B at 59% loss is really a cash value as its now liquidated, at $30B plus). Accordingly, the remaining outstanding principal balance of these loans as of December 31, 2013, was approximately $43 billion, of which $10 billion was 60 days or more past due (so another $10B to be liquidated will yield another 10B at 59% will bring another $6B in cash). This leaves an assumed $37B of performing mortgages that JPM is getting income servicing the loans - and the principle belongs to? JPMorgan Chase believes (LOL) that any repurchase obligations related to these loans remain with the FDIC receivership."
1) $56B minimum? ($25B in unsold mortgage securities + $36B in cash from liquidations)......just in mortgage value MINIMUM that JPM is claiming to hold, to our estate if JPM is only servicer and the "A vs a" 3.1 PA&A thing.....
2) Where is the $79Billion in remaining mortgages held in portfolio ($244b per WMI - 165b per JPM above = $79b + 6 years interest, appreciation, refi, purchasers, etc.)? It's not with JPM as stated above, so it can only be with FDIC-R at this moment.....
1) 56b + 2) 79b = $130 Billion minimum PLUS interest, appreciation, etc. due back to the LT, and ultimately to KKR/WMIH for leveraging into greater annual returns.
AIMVHO
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