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aus Twitter von der gestrigen Sitzung.
I'll be in the courtroom for Wamu soon, and start tweeting @ 10:15 or so for today's hearing.
Oh boy...JMW is fired up this morning! Got here early and sat in on the end of another case that was wrapping uptheir BK today...
Cont. After 7 (yes, 7) yrs!! Had an individual on the phone who was arguing one last claim...argued openly w atty and then JMW...
Cont. And then hung up on JMW while judge was still talking to her...Jane Leamy was here, told me she has a 10AM case but will be back.
Room filling up, the usual players arriving and hedgies attys here in full force
So far, no one from EC here
Ed Sargent and our local co just walked in
Bodyguard is here...sitting in the back, again
Jane Leamy is here
BR: talking now about reorging the agenda
Sargent: ty for being willing to hear the motions so quickly. Looking for docs from SNH and extra ones from Aurelius
Sargent: we only knew what we needed after the depos were taken. SNH did not maintain ethical walls for trading except fot 2 60 day periods
Sargent talking about trial...and how Aurelius might position themselves
Sargent just handed out docs that Aurelius provided...the redacted version...all black pages...very funny
All black on front...actually, the other pages do have some info. And the fight has started...Aurelius atty on top of keeping confidential
Sargent: the few pieces of communication we've recd have been heavily redacted, but we now know we need access to this info
Sargent: we do not need to see everything w outside counsel of the SNH, contrary to what Aurelius maintains
Looking for separate category specifically from Aurelius...their ethical wall. We do not need or intend to ask for continuation of 7/13 date
Sargent: SNH state it will take months to produce docs requested, although they originally said they could produce broader request sooner
JMW is thinking and listening...also reading motions again on computer
Sargent: reminding all that we do not need to prove Fed securities law violation to proceed...although there may be violations...
Cont. Not so suble shout out to SEC/DOJ.
Hmmm that was interesting...Sargent just said that last summer, two hedgies attempted to settle...fiduciary responsiblity established
Sargent: all term sheets up until now have had the 4B being returned to the estate
Sargent: despite the 4B being contested in April, this should be considered a done deal in settlement
Sargent: w out permanent ethical walls set up, the entire BK process is corrupted
Feldman: previous EC member speaking now. Talking about his production of docs and his trading info in depos of him
Feldman: as a shareholder, w far less resources, I had to produce the same kind of information...the SNH should do the same. Transparency!
Feldman: SNH continue to accumulate only those securities which would benefit from a settlement...which they've helped to craft...JMW smiled
Eckstein (one of a number of attorneys for Aurelius):the court previously narrowed the scope of discovery
Eckstein: JMW previously excluded any trading info re settlement talks
JMW shooting down his argument that the EC didn't previously object to Rosen's statement that EC found no wrongdoing.
Cont. Statement of counsel is not testimony
JMW a bit testy...I understand your outrage but the testimony in the depos is not public info...if you'd like to argue that info
Cont. In open court...go ahead!
Eckstein: angry and expressive...but JMW keeps shooting him down...hmmm
JMW just gave him one of those wtf shrugs...eckstein keeps attempting to try the case vs talking about the doc request
Is that fire I'm smelling?? There's definitely smoke here!!
JMW is actually smiling at this rant
Oh, and now shaking her head. Who requested a clown?? I think we've found one :)
He is refusing to answer JMW's questions directly and is now arguing w her...not a good tactic today w her
He is lying here. Saying two different things...lots of attorney chatter here
JMW knows he's lying about something
This is actually pretty humorous to watch...she is having fun w this. JMW is incredulous at his position
Feldman was approached by Steven Church, Bloomber reporter...look for something later
We are on a break now and the mood in the courtroom is more animated than I've seen in a long time. Lots of coferring, lots of talking
Ok we're back w the Eckstein show!
In answer to a quick Q: no meeting in chambers, just a break
Eckstein is now clarifying his previous statements, probably on advice of counsel, so as not to be held in contempt
Apaloosa atty: we also complied w previous request for docs
Apaloosa is arguing the motion to compel based on the request for internal emails re WMI investments
Owl Creek atty: we also produced all docs previously requested. Now explaining why court should deny EC motion...untimely and over broad
Centerbridge atty: now talking about what they produced and what they did not, as well as motion to compel
Centerbridge: what the EC has requested that we object to is the internal communications, and we think they're irrelevant
Centerbridge: re non privileged correspondence...we don't understand what the EC is looking for and why
Communication between Fried Frank and debtor, but not passed to Centerbridge have not been produced, if EC is seeking this
Stratton (UCC): tremendous discovery has already taken place. Interesting, he just opened the door...referencing that the judge had denied
Cont. EC's previous request and narrowed it considerably...these docs would have been included had JMW granted their original request
Stratton: we know the EC just wants to delay this and take the hedgies to trial on IT charges
BR:we just want to move forward w the confirmation...no opinion on what EC is asking for
Sargent: referencing JMW's words from Feb ruling
JMW: I heard all the attys state that communications have been produced. Sargent: we think the models are relevant...material and contains
Cont. evidence of additional communications
Sargent now on hot seat a bit. Everything we have is heavily redacted or second hand...we should get materials directly from the source
Owens(Centerbidge) we did this already
Apaloosa did too. Owl creek, same
Eckstein: saying he got all from Fried Frank, although Sargent just said that at the break, Eckstein said they and White Case
Cont would need to be asked directly
JMW: she is ruling against the EC motion to compel
JMW: sorry, against EC on a couple of the categories of the request.
JMW: with respect to request re Aurelius on ethical wall, she doesn't know why it shouldn't be produced
Eckstein: this will involve delay if we are required to produce these documents
JMW: I'm inclined to require you to produce the info requested on cat 5...ethical wall
Now on next agenda item. Motion to compel from TPS. JMW: why should I hear your motion now after all these months?
JMW: aren't your interests represented by the EC?
Atty for TPS: I can't represent what prior attys did, but we were just hired and are acting immediately. EC cannot provide materials
Cont. Due to confidentiality issues
TPS requesting all docs produced to EC, incl depo materials and new materials approved today
JMW: not understanding why the request is wrong...shouldn't TPS have the information?
Owens: what would then stop any party from stepping up to request same?
Stratton: TPS should be denied
Interesting point: both Owens and Stratton suggested that the EC will settle and leave TPS behind
JMW: making a decision on TPS motion...they are entitled to the same material although TPS may not ask for more and any depos
BR: Kostourous' depo is tomorrow...how can we be prepared for these new areas w out a delay?
Brown Rudnick atty on phone
Court is adjourned
A timely report of today's hearing. More pressure, despite it not being a clear cut win for shareholders. http://fb.me/OtKFudgO
This is another take on today's hearing. http://fb.me/Zes1ikgV
LG
Nico
zu Bloomberg und WSJ Blogs Deal Jornal
www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-06-29/...-join-insider-trading-probe.html
blogs.wsj.com/deals/2011/06/29/funds-slam-wamu-trading-investigation/
wurden die schon mal eingestellt ??
LG
Nico
was sagste zu diesen ansichten;--)
www.daf.fm/video/...-gewonnen-so-zerronnen-50145465-US9393221034.html
keepcool ;-)
....Viele Börsen haben dabei ein sogenanntes (Mindest-) Stillhaltevolumen oder Mindestquotierungsvolumen festgelegt, zu denen die Market Maker verpflichtet sind, verbindliche Quotes ...... zu stellen.
Quelle: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quote_(B%C3%B6rse)
Man könnte den Artikel mal korrigieren:
An manchen Börsen herrschen solche Regeln nicht und die Market-Maker haben die Möglichkeit, bei der Quotierung eigene finanzielle Interessen oder (Finanz-)politische Motive einfliessen zu lassen.
;-)
*KA*
www.kccllc.net/documents/0812229/0812229110629000000000001.pd
Seite 12
1. WMI Investitions Modell:
Mr.Gropper sagte aus, dass Aurelius ein Coputermodell führte, für die potenziellen Zurückgewinnung für verschiedene Klassen von WMI Wertpapieren, dass ihnen(Aurelius) mit der Analyse von potenziellen Investitionen behilflich war. Gropper Vernehmung bei 180:2-181:9. Iterationen dieses Modells welches zu verschiedenen Zeitpunkten des Konkurses erstellt wurden, sind von Aurelius gespeichert worden. Aurelius hat, bis zum jetzigen Zeitpunkt, noch nicht dieses Modell oder die Iterationen dazu dem EC zugänglich gemacht, obwohl es deutlich unter die Informations Anforderung fällt, welche sich auf vertrauliche Informationen beziehen, die Aurelius während den Settlemnet Verhandlungen erhalten hatte, sowie andere Forderungen.
Das Modell ist für den momentanen Rechtsstreit von Bedeutung, weil die Eingaben, welche von Aurelius tatsächlich benutzt wurden, aufzeigen könnten, dass sie sich auf Informationen stützten,die nicht öffentlich zugänglich waren. Die Aussagen dieses Modells können ebenfalls verwendet werden, um Aurelius' Behauptungen zu den öffenlich erhältlichen Rechtfertigung für ihre Investitionen, zu überprüfen. Zum Beispiel, sollte die Anwendung dieses Modelles, basierend auf öffentliche Daten, nicht aufzeigen, dass die Rückgewinnung für eine Klasse grösser als der gegenwärtige Marktpreis, dann wäre die Behauptung von Aurelius, dass ihre Ankäufe auf öffenlich erhältlichen Informationen beruhe, fragwürdig.
Mr Gropper hat zugegeben, dass er eine Version dieses Modelles während der 60 Tage Periode im Frühjahr 2009, selbst angewendet hatte, obwohl eine Ethical Wall ihm untersagte mit anderen Mitarbeitern der Firma zu Kommunizieren. Die Gropper Vernehmung in 207:12-208:11 die aufzeigt, wie die von ihm benutzten Eingaben und deren Einfluss auf die Ergebnisse,massgeblich für die Bestimmung der Sachlage beiträgt. Wenn er, zum Beispiel, Modelle benutzt, die sich darauf beziehen, dass jpm die $4 Milliarden Spareinlagen den Schuldnern in einem Ausgleichsvorschlag angeboten hatte, dann würde dies aufzeigen, dass Mr. Gropper diese Daten, zu diesem Zeitpunkt für wichtig hielt. Diese Eingaben würden auch aufzeigen, welche vertraulichen Informationen er erfahren hat, die sich mit dem WMI Vermögen in diesem Zeitraum beaschäftigen.
Stay tuned
Ice-bein
in Frankfurt los ?
Sind die AMIS aufgestanden und hier in D am schmeissen oder was für News gabs grad ?
LG
Nico
www.kccllc.net/documents/0812229/0812229110629000000000001.pd
Seite 13
2. Kommunikation mit Aurelius
Mr. Gropper gab zu, dass er Informationen über WMI, zu allen Zeiten, ausser der 60 Tage Periode im Frühjahr 2009, mit Händlern ausgetauscht hatte. Gropper Vernehmung 208-12-210:4. Er konnte sich nicht an Details,über welche Informationen er mit anderen, zu bestimmten Zeitpunkten geteilt hatte, besonders für den Zeitraum direkt nach Ablauf der 60 Tage Periode, erinnern.
169:19-171:19.
Jede erhaltene schriftliche Kommunikation könnte für die Genauigkeit sorgen, die Mr Gropper nicht liefern konnte. Beweise dazu, was er auserwählt hat um mit anderen zu teilen und wie er es beschrieben hat, sowie die Reaktion anderer, könnte ebenfalls für die Feststellung der Sachlage von Bedeutung sein. Weiterhin, alle Kommunikationen die zwischen ihm und anderen stattfanden während die Ethical Wall aufrecht stand, sind selbstverständlich von höchster Bedeutung.
stay tuned
Ice-bein
bin auch mal gespannt op man von diesen video nochmal was hören bekommt;---)
mfg
tomsch
stay Long
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