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Zitat:
WaMu bankruptcy plan ruling seen imminent 01/07 01:58 PM
* Ruling to decide plan to divide $10 bln of assets
* Deal ends legal disputes and bankruptcy
* Appeals expected
By Tom Hals
WILMINGTON, Del., Jan 7 (Reuters) - A judge is expected to rule soon, possibly by later Friday, on a plan to end Washington Mutual Inc's (WAMUQ:$0.0571,$-0.0029,-4.83%) bankruptcy, which stems from the biggest bank failure in U.S. history.
Judge Mary Walrath of Delaware's bankruptcy court told lawyers at a Thursday hearing that she was preparing to issue her opinion on Friday, said Washington Mutual (WAMUQ:$0.0571,$-0.0029,-4.83%) attorney Brian Rosen of law firm Weil, Gotshal & Manges LLP. The judge has given no indication of whether or not she would approve the pact.
Walrath oversaw a week of hearings in December on the company's deal to divide $10 billion of disputed assets as well as the ownership of $4 billion of disputed securities.
The company filed for Chapter 11 in September 2008, the day after regulators seized its WaMu savings and loan at the height of a financial panic. The Seattle-based bank was immediately sold by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp to JPMorgan (JPM:$43.12,00$-1.3600,-3.06%) for $1.88 billion.
The 2008 bank seizure and sale set off 18 months of legal battles over ownership of various assets, mostly cash and tax refunds.
If approved, the deal at the heart of the company's reorganization would provide the bulk of the more than $7 billion that Washington Mutual (WAMUQ:$0.0571,$-0.0029,-4.83%) will use to repay the hedge funds that hold its notes and bonds.
The FDIC would receive about $800 million in tax refunds from the deal and JPMorgan (JPM:$43.12,00$-1.3600,-3.06%) would receive about $2.4 billion.
Washington Mutual (WAMUQ:$0.0571,$-0.0029,-4.83%) , JP Morgan and the FDIC initially proposed the settlement in March. It provides Washington Mutual (WAMUQ:$0.0571,$-0.0029,-4.83%) with just enough money to pay the holders of its bonds and notes roughly in full, but leaves virtually nothing for shareholders.
Shareholders, who are generally paid last in a bankruptcy, and holders of disputed securities battled against the deal.
Shareholders argued that the company could be worth as much as $33 billion if it pursued its legal claims against JPMorgan (JPM:$43.12,00$-1.3600,-3.06%) and the FDIC, rather than settle them.
If she rejects the plan, Walrath could ask for more information or hold additional hearings.
Regardless of her ruling, the decision is likely to be appealed.
Washington Mutual (WAMUQ:$0.0571,$-0.0029,-4.83%) shares were down 3.5 percent at 5.8 cents in afternoon pink sheet trading.
The case is In re Washington Mutual Inc (WAMUQ:$0.0571,$-0.0029,-4.83%) , U.S. Bankruptcy Court, District of Delaware, No. 08-12229. (Writing by Tom Hals, editing by Dave Zimmerman)
Get more news on:SYMBOLS: WAMUQ, JPMNEWS TYPE: BondsSECTORS: Commercial Banks, Capital Markets, Financials
Zitatende
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Zitat Lebosco:
Well I guess we ARE in fact waiting for a ruling on the POR...Man I was excited to have a nice fun and relaxing weekend...now I may be somewhere standing in a corner in utter silence!
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MfG.L:)
Zitat:
WaMu bankruptcy plan ruling seen imminent 01/07 01:58 PM
* Ruling to decide plan to divide $10 bln of assets
* Deal ends legal disputes and bankruptcy
* Appeals expected
By Tom Hals
WILMINGTON, Del., Jan 7 (Reuters) - A judge is expected to rule soon, possibly by later Friday, on a plan to end Washington Mutual Inc's (WAMUQ:$0.0571,$-0.0029,-4.83%) bankruptcy, which stems from the biggest bank failure in U.S. history.
Judge Mary Walrath of Delaware's bankruptcy court told lawyers at a Thursday hearing that she was preparing to issue her opinion on Friday, said Washington Mutual (WAMUQ:$0.0571,$-0.0029,-4.83%) attorney Brian Rosen of law firm Weil, Gotshal & Manges LLP. The judge has given no indication of whether or not she would approve the pact.
Walrath oversaw a week of hearings in December on the company's deal to divide $10 billion of disputed assets as well as the ownership of $4 billion of disputed securities.
The company filed for Chapter 11 in September 2008, the day after regulators seized its WaMu savings and loan at the height of a financial panic. The Seattle-based bank was immediately sold by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp to JPMorgan (JPM:$43.12,00$-1.3600,-3.06%) for $1.88 billion.
The 2008 bank seizure and sale set off 18 months of legal battles over ownership of various assets, mostly cash and tax refunds.
If approved, the deal at the heart of the company's reorganization would provide the bulk of the more than $7 billion that Washington Mutual (WAMUQ:$0.0571,$-0.0029,-4.83%) will use to repay the hedge funds that hold its notes and bonds.
The FDIC would receive about $800 million in tax refunds from the deal and JPMorgan (JPM:$43.12,00$-1.3600,-3.06%) would receive about $2.4 billion.
Washington Mutual (WAMUQ:$0.0571,$-0.0029,-4.83%) , JP Morgan and the FDIC initially proposed the settlement in March. It provides Washington Mutual (WAMUQ:$0.0571,$-0.0029,-4.83%) with just enough money to pay the holders of its bonds and notes roughly in full, but leaves virtually nothing for shareholders.
Shareholders, who are generally paid last in a bankruptcy, and holders of disputed securities battled against the deal.
Shareholders argued that the company could be worth as much as $33 billion if it pursued its legal claims against JPMorgan (JPM:$43.12,00$-1.3600,-3.06%) and the FDIC, rather than settle them.
If she rejects the plan, Walrath could ask for more information or hold additional hearings.
Regardless of her ruling, the decision is likely to be appealed.
Washington Mutual (WAMUQ:$0.0571,$-0.0029,-4.83%) shares were down 3.5 percent at 5.8 cents in afternoon pink sheet trading.
The case is In re Washington Mutual Inc (WAMUQ:$0.0571,$-0.0029,-4.83%) , U.S. Bankruptcy Court, District of Delaware, No. 08-12229. (Writing by Tom Hals, editing by Dave Zimmerman)
Get more news on:SYMBOLS: WAMUQ, JPMNEWS TYPE: BondsSECTORS: Commercial Banks, Capital Markets, Financials
Zitatende
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Zitat Lebosco:
Well I guess we ARE in fact waiting for a ruling on the POR...Man I was excited to have a nice fun and relaxing weekend...now I may be somewhere standing in a corner in utter silence!
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MfG.L:)
"Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens"
Certificate of No Objection Regarding Nineteenth Monthly Application of Elliott Greenleaf, Special Litigation and Conflicts Counsel to the Debtors, for Compensation and Reimbursement of Expenses for the Period October 1, 2010 Through October 31, 2010
www.kccllc.net/documents/0812229/0812229110107000000000003.pdf
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Nineteenth Monthly Application of Quinn Emanuel Urquhart & Sullivan, LLP, as Special Litigation and Conflicts Counsel to the Debtors for Allowance of Compensation for Services Rendered and for Reimbursement of Expenses During the Period from October 1, 2010 Through October 31, 2010
www.kccllc.net/documents/0812229/0812229110107000000000004.pdf
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Second Order Granting Debtors' Forty-Sixth Omnibus (Non-Substantive) Objection to Claims
www.kccllc.net/documents/0812229/0812229110107000000000005.pdf
MfG.L:)
www.kccllc.net/documents/0812229/0812229110107000000000003.pdf
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Nineteenth Monthly Application of Quinn Emanuel Urquhart & Sullivan, LLP, as Special Litigation and Conflicts Counsel to the Debtors for Allowance of Compensation for Services Rendered and for Reimbursement of Expenses During the Period from October 1, 2010 Through October 31, 2010
www.kccllc.net/documents/0812229/0812229110107000000000004.pdf
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Second Order Granting Debtors' Forty-Sixth Omnibus (Non-Substantive) Objection to Claims
www.kccllc.net/documents/0812229/0812229110107000000000005.pdf
MfG.L:)
"Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens"
warum geht der kurs runter?
mein reha arzt meinte ich soll mich nicht aufregen denn das wäre nicht gut für meinen sudeck aber deshalb bin ich ja hier weil mich mein hausarzt in die reha geschickt hat zum entspannen.
jetzt habe ich grad noch mal in meinem sternzeichen nachgelesen da steht der gewinn aber erst im märz drin kann das sein?
also ich garantiere euch sollte das horuskop nicht stimmen werde ich den artikel langsam aufessen runterschlucken und auf der toilette komplett entsorgen.
das ganze werde ich dann filmen und hier reinstellen
versprochern!
isch doch richtig oder!?
mein reha arzt meinte ich soll mich nicht aufregen denn das wäre nicht gut für meinen sudeck aber deshalb bin ich ja hier weil mich mein hausarzt in die reha geschickt hat zum entspannen.
jetzt habe ich grad noch mal in meinem sternzeichen nachgelesen da steht der gewinn aber erst im märz drin kann das sein?
also ich garantiere euch sollte das horuskop nicht stimmen werde ich den artikel langsam aufessen runterschlucken und auf der toilette komplett entsorgen.
das ganze werde ich dann filmen und hier reinstellen
versprochern!
isch doch richtig oder!?
Meine Nerven liegen blank.
So langsam nähern wir uns dem großen Finale!
Habe heute noch mal für 2000 Euro nachgekauft.
Und auch bei Megastar Development bin ich jetzt investiert.
Drehe total am Rad. Wenn es nächste Woche weiter runter geht,
kann meine Frau ihren Wellnessurlaub vergessen.
Wenn es hoch geht, kriegt sie noch einen Ring zum Geburtstag dazu.
So.
Wird mal wieder ein nervenaufreibendes Wochenende. Danke Walrath, dass du uns wieder mal zappeln lässt. In diesem Sinne: PROST! Wird schon schief gehen!
So langsam nähern wir uns dem großen Finale!
Habe heute noch mal für 2000 Euro nachgekauft.
Und auch bei Megastar Development bin ich jetzt investiert.
Drehe total am Rad. Wenn es nächste Woche weiter runter geht,
kann meine Frau ihren Wellnessurlaub vergessen.
Wenn es hoch geht, kriegt sie noch einen Ring zum Geburtstag dazu.
So.
Wird mal wieder ein nervenaufreibendes Wochenende. Danke Walrath, dass du uns wieder mal zappeln lässt. In diesem Sinne: PROST! Wird schon schief gehen!
Einmal Commons - immer Commons ;-)
45000 Stück dazu.
45000 Stück dazu.
Zitat Lebosco:
Well I guess we ARE in fact waiting for a ruling on the POR...Man I was excited to have a nice fun and relaxing weekend...now I may be somewhere standing in a corner in utter silence!
Zitat Catz:
You believe that the media got this right?
ZItat Lebosco:
Well the article posted brings me back to another question why open the gate for an extension till 1/31 if 7 days after the original date for confirmation decision you have a decision. I mean how much more could she have gotten done in 7 days, rather than just knocking this out the week after Christmas. Technically only six days cause I'm sure she is not drafting the opinion as we speak.
I don't think an additional 7 days would have helped or merited putting off a decision, unless as some have speculated it was to maximize the estate value with NOLs. BUT WTF DO I KNOW?!
IMHO this makes me speculate she was sitting on her opinion...but for whatever reason your guess is as good as mine!
Okay I'm done for the day back to lurking and then home to get a good workout in. I'm to scared to be on this board when the news hits one way or another cause I honestly don't know what I'd do one way or another. heheehehehehehehe...lol!
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Not necessarily the media but the fact he is qouting Brian Rosen does say something...it's not like he said BR indicated he was unsure what the judge meant. So if BR believes she was referring to a decision on the POR than I'm some what inclined to strongly believe that is what she was referring to. Otherwise he would have clarified or not have such a misleading statement. There is nothing gained or lost by misleading in this instance...
but like I said WTF DO I KNOW...this is just my opinion based on reading that article from a party who was in the court room reporting what the primary party to this case told him and Ilene's observations/conversations at court yesterday.
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Right I never mentioned which way the decision would be and I won't speculate on it merely saying there is a decision (possibly) and only 7 days after it should have originally been made so why the extension or notice for delay...just seems odd if in fact there is a ruling today!
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MfG.L:)
Well I guess we ARE in fact waiting for a ruling on the POR...Man I was excited to have a nice fun and relaxing weekend...now I may be somewhere standing in a corner in utter silence!
Zitat Catz:
You believe that the media got this right?
ZItat Lebosco:
Well the article posted brings me back to another question why open the gate for an extension till 1/31 if 7 days after the original date for confirmation decision you have a decision. I mean how much more could she have gotten done in 7 days, rather than just knocking this out the week after Christmas. Technically only six days cause I'm sure she is not drafting the opinion as we speak.
I don't think an additional 7 days would have helped or merited putting off a decision, unless as some have speculated it was to maximize the estate value with NOLs. BUT WTF DO I KNOW?!
IMHO this makes me speculate she was sitting on her opinion...but for whatever reason your guess is as good as mine!
Okay I'm done for the day back to lurking and then home to get a good workout in. I'm to scared to be on this board when the news hits one way or another cause I honestly don't know what I'd do one way or another. heheehehehehehehe...lol!
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Not necessarily the media but the fact he is qouting Brian Rosen does say something...it's not like he said BR indicated he was unsure what the judge meant. So if BR believes she was referring to a decision on the POR than I'm some what inclined to strongly believe that is what she was referring to. Otherwise he would have clarified or not have such a misleading statement. There is nothing gained or lost by misleading in this instance...
but like I said WTF DO I KNOW...this is just my opinion based on reading that article from a party who was in the court room reporting what the primary party to this case told him and Ilene's observations/conversations at court yesterday.
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Right I never mentioned which way the decision would be and I won't speculate on it merely saying there is a decision (possibly) and only 7 days after it should have originally been made so why the extension or notice for delay...just seems odd if in fact there is a ruling today!
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MfG.L:)
"Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens"
isch doch richtig oder!?
Es geht schon wieder hoch.
Erholung kommt. Schlusskurs 0,06, so wie gestern und danach... ha!
Entweder 0,0000001 oder 1,00000000.
Das zweite wäre mir lieber :-)
RT 0,0582
de.advfn.com/p.php?pid=qkquote&symbol=wamuq
Erholung kommt. Schlusskurs 0,06, so wie gestern und danach... ha!
Entweder 0,0000001 oder 1,00000000.
Das zweite wäre mir lieber :-)
RT 0,0582
de.advfn.com/p.php?pid=qkquote&symbol=wamuq
hey,
ich wünsche dir echt viel glück und gutes gelingen langsam kommen wir uns näher!
(was die stückzahl betrifft)
isch doch richtig oder!?
ich wünsche dir echt viel glück und gutes gelingen langsam kommen wir uns näher!
(was die stückzahl betrifft)
isch doch richtig oder!?
ich kann nur sagen:
einmal wamu...immer wamu
ich habe heute wieder einen Teil umgeschichtet von wamuq auf P's.....
einmal wamu...immer wamu
ich habe heute wieder einen Teil umgeschichtet von wamuq auf P's.....
....meine Wenigkeit auch.......nur Commons.....:-)
:-)
:-)
messages.finance.yahoo.com/Stocks_(A_to_Z)/...;tof=1&frt=2
Zitat:
I've said this before and it bears repeating: the Ps are of special interest to the MMs as their float (3MM shares outstanding vs. Ks with 20MM outstanding) is very limited and their total value @ par ($3 billion) six times that of the Ks ($500 million).
Anything and everything will be done to persuade retail that the debtors' fallacious claim that Ps will get at most $20 in a confirmed plan is true. This claim is utter nonsense, but given the trauma of the examiner's report and it's proximity to the confirmation hearings the lie has been easier to push even than the lie of the plan itself which caused shares to tumble on 3/12.
The MMs nervousness about the Ps is too obvious for contradiction. They should be frightened, not us.
Zitatende
MfG.L:)
Zitat:
I've said this before and it bears repeating: the Ps are of special interest to the MMs as their float (3MM shares outstanding vs. Ks with 20MM outstanding) is very limited and their total value @ par ($3 billion) six times that of the Ks ($500 million).
Anything and everything will be done to persuade retail that the debtors' fallacious claim that Ps will get at most $20 in a confirmed plan is true. This claim is utter nonsense, but given the trauma of the examiner's report and it's proximity to the confirmation hearings the lie has been easier to push even than the lie of the plan itself which caused shares to tumble on 3/12.
The MMs nervousness about the Ps is too obvious for contradiction. They should be frightened, not us.
Zitatende
MfG.L:)
"Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens"
wäre... Hauptsache ein Ergebnis.. vorzugsweise mit pos. Ausgang für die commons..
.....und möglichst mindestens 4,- €
aber mit "wesentlich" mehr wäre ich auch einverstanden....... :-)
aber mit "wesentlich" mehr wäre ich auch einverstanden....... :-)
Glaub Dir kein Stück!
Du verkünest hier, dass du nochmal für 2000€ nachgelegt habe und zwar 45.000Stück.
Da ist was verdammt faul oder ich kann nicht rechnen!
Du verkünest hier, dass du nochmal für 2000€ nachgelegt habe und zwar 45.000Stück.
Da ist was verdammt faul oder ich kann nicht rechnen!
....mein letzter Zukauf (50.000) hat ungefähr 2.350,- gekostet......
was ist den mit den Preffs heute los ?
hat es irgend welche News zu den Preffs gegeben ?
hab leider heute einiges verpasst :-(
für eine kurze info wäre ich wie immer dankbar, grins
LG
Justinjan
hat es irgend welche News zu den Preffs gegeben ?
hab leider heute einiges verpasst :-(
für eine kurze info wäre ich wie immer dankbar, grins
LG
Justinjan
Nehme alles zurück.
Ich kann wohl nicht rechnen
Ich kann wohl nicht rechnen
mach keine Panik
von 21,5 auf 19,50 - ist doch lächerlich....
wir wollen hier 1000$ je P's haben!
News würden alle Wamu - Aktien betreffen - positiv, oder negativ.
Also - lehn dich zurück und trink ein Glas Rotwein bzw. Augustiner!
von 21,5 auf 19,50 - ist doch lächerlich....
wir wollen hier 1000$ je P's haben!
News würden alle Wamu - Aktien betreffen - positiv, oder negativ.
Also - lehn dich zurück und trink ein Glas Rotwein bzw. Augustiner!
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